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of winterfell and its stark inhabitants where the waif treats the implosion of her family life as merely a new entry in the lying game arya has never stopped remembering or missing her life among her stark family members arya cannot give it all up as the waif did or rather as the waif had it decided for her that she would she belongs back with her family and back in winterfell of course the waif s story is full of ironies as well in the end the grand fortune of that ancient house the second wife might have hoped for her daughter to inherit all but disappears into the coffers of the faceless men only a third is left less even than what the second marriage s daughter would have gotten had the inheritance been divided equally the father is left back where he started dynastically speaking the single parent of a single daughter yet poorer for it arguably no better and perhaps worse off than he had been before only limited by our lack of insight into his personal view on the matter if the father s goal was to murder his second wife in revenge for what she had done to his elder daughter his actions simultaneously took that daughter s life as well the waif was forced to spend the rest of her days forsaking her entire birth identity and murdering others in the name of an assassination guild legally and spiritually if not bodily dead nor of course do we ever get any insight as to what the waif herself the actual target of that attempted murder thought of either the contracted murder of her stepmother or her own permanent confinement in the house of black and white in an act of revenge ostensibly taken in her name the waif has no input and no agency likewise while the father had his second wife murdered he seems to have done nothing to disinherit the child of his second marriage this daughter was in turn left precisely where the waif was her father s only heir and perhaps too young to remember her dead mother the stepmother s ambitions posthumously won out as her husband s elder daughter was effectively killed off and her own daughter was set to inherit all of these ironies add to the waif s characterization making her an outlet of narratively rich writing as opposed to simply an npc arya interacts with in her new environment on a practical level too the story provides more insight into elements of the faceless men s business model the faceless men aren t out to completely beggar their clients hence asking for two thirds of the man s wealth instead of all of it but they do ask for a considerable sacrifice at least within the means of the requestor the father in this story was probably a wealthy man the head of that ancient house in a society which has historically valued trade and commercialism over feudal land ownership and agriculture so the price was high in monetary terms but because the father was also a man in the midst of a succession dispute the price included the previous guarantor of his dynasty his elder daughter with again the implication that it would be the child of his targeted wife who would succeed him perhaps this pricing model was intended to imbue this killing with the divine approval of the many faced god if this man were willing to have his wife killed knowing that by his actions he would disinherit his older daughter and impoverish himself to some extent then truly this request must be the will of the many faced god and not simply human vengeance permalink tags arya stark the waif the faceless men themes references fairy tales cinderella valyrianscrolls july 15 2022 12 02 pm 441 notes via woodswit source turtle paced anonymous asked could have ned prevent his execution like explain better to sansa why they need to leave establishing more understanding relationship with her prior in general not warning cersei etc was there any way to counter littlefinger s involvement turtle paced answered plenty ned could do to avoid his execution as in canon and it goes further back ned was not locked into failure cleaning house in the small council well before that point was something he could and should have done or appointed more people to balance out the toadies shifting the balance of power in king s landing was well within ned s ability as hand even afterwards forget not warning cersei if ned had followed up on warning cersei hell if he d followed up more aggressively with stannis ned s hand of the king he can send letters like show up at court or provide a good explanation why not ned could have been weeks ahead of himself sansa s actions don t have much to do with ned s capture i don t think they result in her own yes because neither she nor arya could get on the ship planned to take them from king s landing but cersei was already planning to move against ned when sansa provided the info and ned told still more to littlefinger afterwards politically ned s fundamental mistake is that he doesn t realise that he is the boss between robert s inattention and robert s regard for him ned can do pretty much whatever he likes as long as it doesn t bother robert himself do we really think robert s going to go to ned whoa whoa whoa you can t just sack the treasurer and make that stick but even with everything it s simply ned s bad luck that he spends a bunch of critical chapters drugged as hell to manage the pain from his broken leg the author kneecapped him so he couldn t get away redwolf17 i ve reread the relevant chapter several times and as far as i can tell events occur in this order day 1 evening after nightfall robert brought back from the boar hunt mortally wounded makes his will naming ned lord protector renly offers swords to ned later that night littlefinger offers to buy the gold cloaks for ned instead he runs and blabs to cersei and buys the goldcloaks for her day 2 hour before dawn renly and loras flee the city dawn ned awakes to lannister men practicing threateningly in the yard below his window breakfast arya is given permission for one last dancing lesson sansa is denied permission to say farewell to joffrey ned does not explain why sansa cries and then runs to cersei one hour later pycelle tells ned that robert is dead ned has pycelle summon small council to the tower of the hand likely one of pycelle s servants or someone else informs cersei ser barristan varys and littlefinger arrive relatively quickly say 15 30 minutes ned learns renly is gone the meeting lasts for perhaps ten minutes before joffrey summons everyone to the throne room and the coup begins whatever grrm intended regarding sansa s role in the events of that day the words he put on the page give her very little time information to substantively affect the chain of events asoiafuniversity excellent factual addition i do wonder if he wanted her to be instrumental in some way to demonstrate the consequences of playing the game wrong and i think i ve seen things where he implied that she had a hand in it but as he s written it i don t see how it changes ned s fate cersei was always going to move against him and everyone was surprised when joffrey did what he did cersei wasn t secretly pleased because she knew it was a fucking idiotic thing to do so you can t say that the adults in this situation were meh about it they were shitting themselves too via woodswit permalink tags ned stark sansa stark cersei lannister the small council the hand of the king politics a game of thrones valyrianscrolls june 17 2022 02 00 pm 278 notes via allovesthings source allovesthings allovesthings i was thinking about the scene between varys and illyrio in the red keep that arya overheard and i really appreciate the irony of the master of whisper almost getting caugh in the exact same way he spies on other people arya is essentially being an accidental little bird for ned and it s both really deeply ironic if ned understood what arya was saying that might have screwed everything for them and foreshadowing for the fact that she is essentially learning to be a spy now maybe even better than him permalink tags arya stark varys illyrio mopatis little birds a game of thrones asoiaf meta valyrianscrolls june 17 2022 12 00 pm 350 notes via perunikka source perunikka perunikka i have made the asoiaf character pov chart ranked from most to least info taken from a wiki of ice and fire i have counted the the winds of winter chapters in the total sum because they were counted in the wiki as well though that would have changed the top 5 in the sense that sansa would have 24 chapters instead of 25 so catelyn would overtake her i really didn t think tyrion would have the most chapters that s 7 more than the second place what s also really interesting to me is how only 4 characters have had more than 30 chapters and how arya was the only character to have a pov in every book that s been released permalink tags valyrianscrolls tyrion lannister jon snow bran stark arya stark daenerys targaryen sansa stark asoiaf meta pov chapters statistics june 17 2022 10 00 am 281 notes via goodqueenaly source turtle paced anonymous asked what is the difference between what robb was doing in the westerlands in acok and what tywin was doing in the riverlands i feel like the narrative is trying to tell us they re different and that what tywin was doing is outside the norm but i m kinda confused turtle paced answered he went on to tell how the remnants of ser stafford s host had fallen back on lannisport without siege engines there was no way to storm casterly rock so the young wolf was paying the lannisters back in kind for the devastation they d inflicted on the riverlands lords karstark and glover were raiding along the coast lady mormont had captured thousands of cattle and was driving them back toward riverrun while the greatjon had seized the gold mines at castamere nunn s deep and the pendric hills catelyn v acok now even in this passage there s differences the raids robb has been conducting are aimed at tywin s supply coastal towns cattle and gold there s targeting there some evaluation of their military value as opposed to tywin s policy of see a field burn a field policy in the riverlands which is purely inflicting suffering on civilians because fuck the person who s nominally in charge of them robb s raids cause collateral damage and that s bad with tywin the pain of ordinary people is the point and that s worse also to be blunt tywin started it it sounds petty but it s another important note with tywin his actions force escalation and damage the chances of restoring peace given the chance robb would be leaving well enough alone tywin not so much what i think the narrative is ultimately trying to say is that robb is a different person to tywin but what i see here is that it doesn t make much difference to random smallfolk whose lives have been upended or just ended tywin and robb can be different with robb clearly a better option than tywin and they can still both be doing things that are bad for the common people goodqueenaly also far from endorsing robb and demonizing tywin for their respective wartime actions i think the narrative does want us to question how much more noble robb s side was in its pursuit of war below jaime made out the smouldering remains of a large building and a live oak full of dead women the crows had scarcely started on their corpses the thin ropes cut deeply into the soft flesh of their throats and when the wind blew they twisted and swayed this was not chivalrously done said brienne when they were close enough to see it clearly no true knight would condone such wanton butchery the wench was staring up at one of the dead women jaime shuffled closer with small stutter steps the only kind the foot long chain permitted when he saw the crude sign hung about the neck of the highest corpse he smiled they lay with lions he read oh yes woman this was most unchivalrously done sic by your side not mine did robb send out terror agents to murder and given that their victims were sex workers or unofficially sex workers very possibly rape these women for having sex or being subject to sex with lannister soldiers almost certainly not and in that extremely limited sense we might give him more credit than we would tywin lannister who very much did consciously and deliberately utilize terror agents like amory lorch gregor clegane and vargo hoat to set the riverlands afire from the gods eye to the red fork however as jaime points out the designation of these women s supposed crime as sex specifically with lannister men clearly demonstrates that these murders were committed by men sworn to robb stark that grrm does not shy away from depicting the brutal and grisly nature of this atrocity identifying its principals as stark sworn men and indeed allows jaime a mocking commentary on both aspects indicates i think the author s blatant desire to have his readers consider the nobility of robb s cause or at the very least the execution pun intended of it more carefully than they might have otherwise permalink tags robb stark tywin lannister the war of the five kings the riverlands war asoiaf meta valyrianscrolls june 17 2022 08 00 am 154 notes via mylestoyne source mylestoyne mylestoyne thinking about the joncon line about how the men didn t cry of course particularly not his father who s only love was land and how sad the implications are from it especially because we know that under his cold exterior he s quite a romantic person who thinks about the people he loves very tenderly and i do think that in addition to being his lover and commander myles was a father figure to jon and a better one than armond jon calling him a father to his men the fact that both pieces of dialogue we get from myles was him imparting wisdom advice to jon but despite his warmth and kindness and generosity to jon that advice is still violent and brutal telling him it s a good thing to be feared telling him that he could ve won stoney sept if he had mass murdered innocent people and of course the man myles brings up as an example is tywin who is thee societal ideal for toxic masculinity and fatherhood it really goes to show how deeply this violent patriarchal cycle is ingrained permalink tags jon connington masculinity patriarchy myles toyne armond connington character analysis asoiaf meta valyrianscrolls 1 of 1207 next welcome asoiafuniversity is an archival meta blog this blog is for reblogging purposes only per our policy we do not answer meta questions here if you have a question like what do you think of what is your opinion of we will not answer it here sorry if you want your question about the series answered we recommend that you ask the op original author poster of the post that inspired your question or ask the question publicly on your blog and tag it with the relevant tags or send an ask to one of the people we ve reblogged from who has discussed the subject you re interested in or send an ask to our affiliate warsofasoiaf or to one of our owners such as 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