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the phrase the world it definitely refers to languages and or dialects in the world instead of outside the world ie alien language mcarthur claimed to have other tongues that could not be understood by human beings are not biblical what if the so called tongues in contemporary charismatic churches are not from the work of the holy spirit the comment that their tongues are from god or the holy spirit or jesus christ would cause one to abuse the name of them and it in turn blasphemes any one of them 1 corinth 14 14 for if i pray in an unknown tongue pray that he may interpret the above verse demands a tongue spoker to pray for his understanding of tongues 1 corinth 14 37 if any man think himself to be a prophet or spiritual let him acknowledge that the things that i write unto you are the commandments of the lord the phrase the things that i write to you in 1 corinth 14 37 is in present tense and it implies that the words that paul just delivered for his message to the church of corinthians is indeed god s commandment and this includes 1 corinth 14 14 1 corinth 14 15 what is it then i will pray with the spirit and i will pray with understanding also i will sing with spirit and i will sing with understanding also for instance the speaker could not understand the tongue how could they sing and pray with understanding and this contradicts 1 corinth 14 15 reply jonathan chm says july 16 2009 at 5 31 pm matthew 12 31 32 therefore i say to you every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men but the blasphemy against the spirit will not be forgiven men anyone who speak against a word the son of man it will be forgiven him but whoever speak against the holy spirit it will not be forgiven him either in this age or in the age to come as the phrase speak against the holy spirit is mentioned in matthew 12 31 32 with the phrase blasphemy against the spirit it implies that a person blasphemes against the holy spirit even if he speaks against the holy spirit the same for abusing the name of the holy spirit in which it might have grieved the holy spirit to accept the false saying what if the works are not from the holy spirit the word forgiven is mentioned in matthew 12 31 32 with the phrase every sin blasphemy it implies that all blasphemies are to be considered as sin or else why we should need god s forgiveness for the blasphemies the same in abusing god s or jesus name to support their miracles are from god or jesus respectively and these are the acts of blasphemies to be considered as sins too reply jonathan chm says july 16 2009 at 6 03 pm definition of blasphemy in hebrews greek blas fe mi blaphemia in classical greek and hebrews means primarily defamation or evil speaking in general a word of evil omen hence impious and irreverent speech against god the above is the extract pertaining to the meaning of blasphemy in greek consider carefully about holy bark holy laugher and etc for instance if these are not the work of holy spirit the abusing the name of holy spirit by saying that these are the work of holy spirit is indeed delivery of irreverent speech against the holy spirit for instance if these are not the work of the holy spirit the insisting that these should be directed from the work of the holy spirit might have abused the name of the holy spirit and caused defamation of its name and one might have in turn grieved the holy spirit since these might not be the work of the holy spirit the holy spirit might be ended up to bear the name for the doer of holy bark holy laugher and etc what if it has grieved the holy spirit by insisting that these are the work of the holy spirit our ignorance has ultimately caused the ultimate abusing and or blasphemy against the holy spirit healings in contemporary charismatic churches in miraculous healings among charismatic churches today we could easily spot out that many sick will fall down before the healers lay hands on them however many sick would remain unhealed after the rally despite they did fall down before the healers i e pastors that perform miraculous healings god is definitely powerful and can heal all kinds of sicknesses however there is a deficiency in the healings in contemporary charismatic world what if the wonders are not the work of the holy spirit the commenting to abuse the name of the holy spirit that it is he that does the work might have grieved the holy spirit in case if these are not the work of the holy spirit and it ends up that one has abused the name of the holy spirit and has ultimately blasphemed against the holy spirit all blasphemies whether towards the holy spirit or god or jesus christ are to be considered as sins matthew 12 31 32 therefore i say to you every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men but the blasphemy against the spirit will not be forgiven men anyone who speak against a word the son of man it will be forgiven him but whoever speak against the holy spirit it will not be forgiven him either in this age or in the age to come as the phrase speak against the holy spirit is mentioned in matthew 12 31 32 with the phrase blasphemy against the spirit it implies that a person blasphemes against the holy spirit even if he speaks against the holy spirit the same for abusing the name of the holy spirit in which it might have grieved the holy spirit to accept the false saying what if the works are not from the holy spirit the word forgiven is mentioned in matthew 12 31 32 with the phrase every sin blasphemy it implies that all blasphemies are to be considered as sin or else why we should need god s forgiveness for the blasphemies the same in abusing god s or jesus name to support their miracles are from god or jesus respectively and these are the acts of blasphemies to be considered as sins too the well known verses in matthew 7 21 23 matthew 7 21 23 not everyone who says to me lord lord shall enter the kingdom of heaven but he who does the will of my father in heaven many will say to me in that day lord lord have we not prophesied in your name cast out demons in your name and done many wonders in your name and then i will declare to them i never knew you depart from me you who practise lawlessness what are the elements could be found in these verses above there are 1 they believe in jesus christ since matthew 7 22 mentions that many will say to me lord lord these people must have believed in jesus christ or else how they could call jesus christ to be their lord as mentioned above then 2 these people could use jesus name to perform miracles since matthew 7 22 mentions that many have prophesied in your name cast out demons in your name and done many wonders in your name 3 will they be accepted by jesus christ matthew 7 23 i will declare to them i never knew you depart from me the pride among contemporary churches for their non repentance this is my general discovery upon charismatic churches some charismatic churches might not repent in order to do away their so called gift in the churches due to they feel thieir reputations are most precious than the truth of the bible and that causes them to persist in the practice however bear in mind that the insisting the so called gift in their churches to be the work of the holy spirit might cause them to abuse the name of the holy spirit and that causes them ultimately to blaspheme against the holy spirit what if the miracles are not from the work the holy spirit the act of insisting to defend their reputation more important than the truth of the bible has indeed violated the great commandment of the lord for matthew 22 37 mentions that jesus said to him you shall love the lord your god with all your heart with all your soul and with all your mind the act of having a high preference for their reputations rather that upholding the truth of the bible implies that his love towards his own reputation is more significance than his love towards god for matthew 22 37 has commanded us to put our love to god first instead of that has to be in replacement of our reputation reply jonathan chm says july 21 2009 at 3 45 pm 1 the following are the proves that angels could perform miracles healing and there are falling angels in the scripture to be against god too john 5 3 4 in these lay a great multitude of impotent folk of blind halt withered waiting for the moving of the water for an angel went down at a certain season into the pool and troubled the water whosoever then first after the troubling of the water stepped in was made whole of whatsoever disease he had 2 the following are the proves that angels could perform marvellous wonders luke 1 7 and they had no child because that elizabeth was barren and they both were now well stricken in years luke 1 13 but the angel said unto him fear not zacharias for their prayer is heard and they wife elisabeth shall bear thee a son and thou shalt call his name john luke 1 18 and zacharias said unto the angel whereby shall i know this for i am an old man and my life well stricken in years luke 1 19 and the angel answering unto him i am grabriel luke 1 20 and behold thou shall be dumb and not able to speak until the day that these things shall be performed because thou believest not my words which shall be fulfilled in their season luke 1 22 and when he came out he could not speak unto them matthews 28 1 2 now after the sabbath as the first day of the week began to dawn many magdalene and the other mary came to see the tomb and behold there was a great earthquake for an angel of the lord descended from heaven and rolled back the stone of the door and sat it acts 12 23 then immediately an angel of the lord struck him because he did not give glory to god and he was eaten by worms and died 3 angels could appear in somebody s dream matthews 2 19 an angel of the lord appeared in a dream to joseph matthew 1 20 an angel of the lord appeared to him in a dream as angels could perform wonders are there any strongest proves to show that those wonders in contemporary charismatic churches are from god if someone in contemporary charismatic church could prove it we have to accept it however if nobody could prove whether the existence of wonder in contemporary charismatic churches is from god or the holy spirit or angels there is a danger that one would comment that certain wonders are from god or from the holy spirit or from jesus christ and in case if they are not and it would turn up that we have forced god or jesus christ or the holy spirit to bear the name of doer and indirectly we have abused the name of jesus christ or god or the holy spirit and this causes us to speak against jesus christ or god or the holy spirit indirectly could contemporary charismatic church claim that the miracles and wonder they perform in the name of jesus christ is accompanied by correct teaching in accordance with god s word and righteous living a good christian performs a wonder through the name of jesus christ in the church many audiences would claim that this be the work of god jesus christ the holy spirit as fallen angels could perform wonders i e buddhists could perform wonders as it is listed in the internet too what if the wonders in contemporary charismatic churches are not from god jesus christ the holy spirit the surrounding audience that claims to be the work of the holy spirit god jesus christ would have indirectly abused the name of each of them even though they might not be the one to do it and it indirectly causes the defamation of the name of god jesus christ the holy spirit and they might have grieved as a result of the whole church speaking against them since they might not do it the abusing of the name of jesus christ the holy spirit god would cause the audience to commit continual sins as when and they address these be the work of god can a christian or a catholics claim that he has followed the correct teaching and righteous living when day by day and month by month and year by year seeing people keep on claiming the wonders in contemporary charismatic churches to be the work of god jesus christ the holy spirit without telling them the danger that they would have sinned against god jesus christ the holy spirit what if the so called wonders might not be their work then for holy bark you could see people running around the churches crazily to bark here and there for holy laughter you could see people laugh without stopping for manifestation of the spirit you see people roll from one place to another without knowing what he she has done after performing all these are not mentioned in the book of acts a number of people in the church mention that they receive revelation from god through words of knowledge prophecy tongues speaking words of wisdom many prophets arose previously claimed that year 2000 and 1987 were the end of the world however the year before year 2000 and 1987 none of these people that claim to receive so called special gifts of the holy spirit say that these years 2000 and 1987 are not the end of the world if it is the work of the holy spirit the holy spirit should have informed all these people to correct their mistakes reply jonathan chm says july 22 2009 at 3 41 pm luke 9 49 50 about those that do not follow jesus but could perform wonders in jesus name luke 9 49 50 tcnt hereupon john said sir we saw a man driving out demons by using your name and we tried to prevent him because he does not follow you with us none of you must prevent him jesus said to john he who is not against you is for you were these people that were mentioned in luke 9 49 50 to be the disciples of jesus since it is mentioned that they did not follow jesus the following are the verses to prove that god s people would surely follow jesus john 10 27 my sheep hear my voice and i know them and they follow me john 10 3 to him the porter openeth and the sheep hear his voice and he calleth his own sheep by nam and leadeth them out from the above verses it is obvious that the sheep will surely follow the shepherd jesus as the phrase he is not against you is for you is mentioned in luke 9 49 instead of the phrase he is not against you is for me jesus it does not show that all these people that could use jesus to perform miracles were for jesus but for us disciples especially jesus had mentioned clearly in john 10 27 and 10 3 that christians would surely follow jesus the possible interpetation for luk 9 49 for him to mention that they were for us that it might be that they could assist us in bringing outsiders to the attention of jesus christ for our evangelism however they are not for jesus since they do not follow jesus since they would definitely follow jesus if they are for jesus indeed the people as mentioned in luke 9 49 50 that could perform wonders in jesus s name were not god s people or else jesus should have included these people ont top of the twelve disciples or in other words if these people that could perform wonders in jesus name were god s people there would be more that 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