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ay something else random or return to the prior topic being discussed sharing personal status or emotional updates chat channels are not a personal dear diary journal they are for community conversations in general please post short personal updates to your personal site instead of chat personal updates even joyful ones can shift a channel s energy in ways that put others in an awkward spot unsure whether or how to respond or feeling guilty for not responding over time if it becomes a pattern it can quietly drain the energy that keeps people showing up when something big is happening in your life it s natural to want to share it with people you feel connected to and it says something good about this community that it feels like a safe place to do that that said chat works best when it s a conversation rather than a broadcast indieweb chat channels are for the community and shared interests more than personal updates if you re going through something and want to process it writing a blog post journaling or having a conversation with someone close to you will serve you better than a chat room both because you deserve that kind of focused attention and because a channel full of people can t provide it if you find yourself motivated by a desire for validation please pause and reconsider if you still find yourself chatting purely personal nothing to do with the community updates especially multiple days in a row or copy paste the same personal update across multiple communities people will notice and likely ask you to stop sharing all personal updates in all chats especially copy pasting nearly the exact same personal update across disparate channels or disparate communities tends to look like a bid for attention or validation and repeatedly looks like validation farming which is not the point of chat channels use your personal site and posse to social media if you feel compelled to reach lots of people with your personal updates this also goes for channels like the cafe or random which tend to be informal yet are still community spaces with an expectation of conversations rather than updates a notable exception to this is if there s some sort of shared experience that folks in a channel are already discussing like a shared tragedy or disaster in that case people have already decided to invest some emotional labor as well as participate in mutual sharing and more importantly listening to feelings and emotional responses to a shared event listen to others first and acknowledge them before sharing your own it s also ok to share matters of a life happens variety in the context of setting expectations of not being around or not responding to chats however if it becomes a pattern of sharing life happens events that demand repeated and possibly continuous implicit emotional labor from everybody else in the channel it can have the effect of draining and driving people away from chat channels even if that was not your intention monologuing or multi posting please avoid monologuing or rapidly multiposting in chat channels when one person posts many messages in a row especially rapidly it can inadvertently turn a community space into a personal feed such a wall of text from an individual may make others feel there isn t room for them to jump in or that the channel has become someone else s stream of consciousness this is also something the 32 bit cafe folks have figured out is bad for community https discourse 32bit cafe guidelines p 4 voiding or monologuing 11 they call this voiding or void posting an impulse to post into the void a quiet channel primarily just to fill it with something please blog your long multi message thoughts rather than text dumping into chat if you find yourself writing message after message that s often a sign you re working something out and that s great but it ll go better if you do that thinking privately rather than in a community space like chat instead take the time to write a blog post or a note to yourself related chat channels related channels often used by the community microformats channel microformats microformats in slack ask about microformats in general or the process of developing a new one or new features by researching documenting examples brainstorming etc known channel indieweb known known in slack similar to the wordpress channel the known channel is for known specific topics plugins evolution troubleshooting etc search the chat rooms except for indieweb cafe and indieweb random can be searched at https indiechat search cweiske de https chat indieweb org by typing into the search box and clicking the search icon which will redirect to the site above people on chat visit the chat names page to see our list of chat regulars sorted by nickname with their website and usual timezone s the channels have regular administrators who are also wiki administrators if you want to get their attention just say adminhelp faq why use slack q why do you use slack isn t that not indie a slack is one way to join the chat the canonical chat logs are at https chat indieweb org slack provides several features that some people prefer over other chat clients so bridging to slack lets people join and communicate using their preferred chat client why use discord q why do you use discord isn t that not indie a discord is one way to join the chat the canonical chat logs are at https chat indieweb org discord provides several features that some people prefer over other chat clients so bridging to discord lets people join and communicate using their preferred chat client why no matrix for a while people could join via matrix matrix was supported until the bridge hosted by element io was disabled per 2023 11 28 the matrix bridge hosted by element io has been disabled for good there is no known effort to restore matrix support view other networks bridged to matrix and history of bridge shutdown here https matrix org github io matrix appservice irc latest bridged_networks html if you self host your own matrix instance or can convince you matrix instance admin you may be able to install and self host heisenbridge a bouncer style matrix irc bridge in a docker container on the same system as your matrix instance at least one indieweb community member is doing this to connect to indieweb discussion channels what is the difference between the random and cafe channels the random channel is a newer channel for off topic chat that improves the experience across platforms by allowing more backlog on discord and slack it is still not logged publicly on https chat indieweb org however on topic conversations in random may be quoted in other channels or on the wiki by contrast everything in the cafe channel is expected to be off the record random is a more common channel name in chat communities so this sets a clearer expectation when are channels active when are channels most active anecdotally the channels seem quite active may need updating 08 00 10 00 pacific time 0800 0700 16 00 18 00 uk time 0000 0100 17 00 19 00 eu time 0100 0200 why do some people have brackets brackets around a name mean that is a slack user if you see brackets around someone s name like mattl that means they are chatting using slack brackets with a d after a name mean that is a discord user if you see d after a name like capjamesg d that means they are chatting using discord see this chat log for examples of both https chat indieweb org 2024 12 04 t1733322012532200 why is x user a bot or app among the differences between the chat services there is the fact that non irc users will see bridged messages as made by a bot this is necessary to send over the messages into services like discord why does chat say edit when i did not edit in discord posts made in discord with links often show a duplicate to others prefixed with edit without the discord user editing their post discord itself is editing the post to unfurl it with a link preview and that edit is sent via the discord bridge to irc and thus to slack etc how do i mention someone else in general the approach is to use your chat platform s native mention support if available and fallback to typing the user s plaintext username from irc type the full username brackets included from slack use mentions for slack users or the full username from discord use mentions for discord users or the full username mention support depends on the platform for example the web irc client at https chat indieweb org does not support receiving mentions but can mention users on slack by including their name with brackets you can typically tell what platform another user is on based on their username see why do some people have brackets why is x user a bot or app and keywords for more information how to reset a slack handle slack users show up in irc and then bridged to discord with brackets around their name when there is an irc netsplit this can result in the irc bot for a slack user to rejoin the channel with a 2 or 3 after their name for example appearing in irc as tantek 2 the bot tries occasionally to reset the nick automatically but it doesn t always work you can manually trigger a reset of the slack user s irc nick by sending a private message on irc to the bot containing just nick you should almost immediately get a reply from the bot confirming differences between chat services what are the differences among chat services for interacting with the indieweb chat each of these four options is roughly equivalent from a text perspective though each may have features configurations or other niceties that differentiate them somewhat from each other depending on your chat client discord users will have a d following their names or users from slack appear with their username in brackets some usernames may have the word app after them to indicate their content is originating from another platform for cross platform notifications to work on the receiving platform one may need to include the d on screen names from discord some platforms like slack will unfurl urls or provide a link preview into the chat while others will allow wiki page names pre pended with a slash to autolink to the exact wiki webpage eg principles in some chat platforms will link to the principles wiki page slack emoji responses aren t bridged to other platforms so giving a heart or thumbs up to someone s post won t be seen unless they re also on slack slack threads are also platform specific so any threaded messages will appear without context on other platforms keywords people frequently in chat might like to be aware that many chat clients provide the ability to allow their users to be given real time notifications when either their username or other specified keywords are used in individual channels check the documentation of your chat client s for details this can be useful if one wants to engage in conversations around particular topics in chat many organizers and project developers will have turned on notifications for keywords related to projects they re actively working on or which they support other community members or volunteers may have notifications for particular topics keywords on which they re an expert and are willing to provide pointers or support keep in mind and be respectful of the fact that almost everyone in chat is an unpaid volunteer and we re all on different work and personal schedules as well as in different timezones depending on how often people are in chat and whether or not they read all the logs loqi can be helpful for communicating across time and space why do i have to wait 10 minutes on discord q why do i have to 10 minutes before i can chat on discord a we have our discord access to chat set to requiring being a member of that server for 10 minutes as the high setting of verification level to reduce the burden on the community for fighting spam this is one technique among many for blocking tons of spam which we ve seen on other discords the next lower setting for verification level medium must also be registered on discord for longer than 5 minutes is insufficient to block the very common spambot practice of create an account on a spammer discord wait 5 minutes go spam all the open channels on the list of discords you ve been able to find for crypto onlycorn whatever unless we can find willing and dependable community volunteers multiple in order to cover 24 7 timezone adjusted weekends taking vacations who can commit to 1 rapidly block spammers and 2 rapid delete and clear spam from irc chat archives and the various clients at least slack and discord then we can t bear to have only medium verification level on discord why are indieweb channels missing on libera list search q why can t i find the indieweb channels on libera s irc list search a the indieweb channels are unlisted to mitigate bot spammer auto discovery via the list command etc our channels were massively spammed by semi automatic irc bots on 2025 12 24 midday pacific time which was a major pain we have taken a number of measures defense in depth to mitigate this in the future we noticed that a couple of our newer channels which were unlisted were not attacked by the botspam we decide to unlist all indieweb chat channels to reduce chances of being discovered and hit by generic rather than targeted irc spambots is anyone around the indieweb chat is a global community and people will check in and respond at different times we encourage everyone to ask the question or share the comment they have instead of checking if anyone is around first there are some more active times and our bot loqi supports leaving messages for people with the tell command why is there no channel for x historically the number of channels in the indieweb community chat has grown organically after documented use cases time for discussion and rough consensus on new names from time to time we do add new channels generally when there is a consistent level of discussion and conversation that either makes it overwhelming or potentially unwelcoming to carry on discussions related to specific topics this is balanced against the possibility that a new chat channel would be either so quiet or infrequently used that asking questions or attempting to have a conversation there wouldn t be conducive or would result in people repeating the same question in multiple channels there is usually an annual conversation about adding new channels at the organizers meeting at the indieweb summit though other conversations do happen throughout the year or can be brought up in the indieweb meta channel email there is no mailing list this is a deliberate decision we encourage focusing on short discussions in chat and capturing incremental agreements disagreements on the wiki this also discourages long essays and repetition of arguments that can take place on email threads for more see faq is there an indieweb mailing list logs if you prefer an email like experience reading things in the past 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