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le work would anyone say that in a governmental report that quotes copyrighted material the quoted passages should be excised before it can be uploaded here furthermore another editor in may placed a clear label on this upload before the removal that the copyrighted portions are de minimis so these subsequent two editors are clearly disagreeing with or the first or did not see his de minimis template i therefore ask for clarification if people agree this was an erroneous revision pinging yacàwotçã the squirrel conspiracy who edited the file dreykop talk 18 00 29 july 2026 utc reply no fair use for images within the larger image doesn t somehow magically become de minimis when the larger image is reused but also if it s de minimis then by definition blurring or pixelating it should have no significant effect on the usefulness of the resulting image jmabel talk 21 17 29 july 2026 utc reply the photos were not taken by the us government at least certainly not the selfie with the people that were arrested therefore the photos are not us government works and the copyright is held by the original photographers de minimis is not about the size of the images take in the work it s about prominence and considering that the web page is directing people to look at the photos it s hard to argue they aren t a major focus as for why i did the pixelation i thought that it was a better solution than the crop i only knew about yacàwotçã s prop because i m one of the few admins that remembers to patrol the backlog of old revisions that need to get hidden the squirrel conspiracy talk 21 17 29 july 2026 utc reply fair enough so i now understand it is not de minimis i had understood de minimis to be a matter of whether it s the whole or main part of the work vs a small part of a larger work provided it was legitimately used within that larger work but would this then mean that any governmental report or publication that quotes or displays copyrighted content needs to first have all copyrighted material removed blurred before it can be uploaded to commons because that is no different than this case where the four images are displayed by the government to demonstrate something and i m sure i can go around and find examples of this in government publications here on commons dreykop talk 22 58 29 july 2026 utc reply dreykop typically yes removal or blurring is required unless it is actually de minimis a few examples of things that would be de minimis an out of focus painting in the background a logo on someone s clothing a few seconds of music coming from a passing vehicle in a video as long as the music was not obviously central to the video jmabel talk 03 49 30 july 2026 utc reply am i allowed to scan and upload this photograph dated 1888 edit latest comment 1 day ago 10 comments 2 people in discussion i found this image of the hauptkadettenanstalt with this license click the symbol to the lower right of the image provenance rights landesgeschichtliche vereinigung für die mark brandenburg e v archiv sophus williams cc by and would like to use it at preußische hauptkadettenanstalt the photographer sophus williams died in 1900 i found another one of his photographs on commons with the pd old 100 license template according to williams s german wp page he published series of his own photographs the one of the hauptkadettenanstalt was published in 1888 as part of the series berlin und umgebung berlin and surrounds the print uploaded to museum digital de s website was purchased by them in 2012 below is the google translated text of the german gesetz über urheberrecht und verwandte schutzrechte urheberrechtsgesetz 72 lichtbilder act on copyright and related rights copyright act section 72 photographic works 1 photographs and products produced in a manner similar to photographs are protected in accordance with the provisions of part 1 applicable to photographic works 2 the right under paragraph 1 belongs to the photographer 3 the right under paragraph 1 expires fifty years after the publication of the photograph or if its first authorized public reproduction occurred earlier after such first reproduction but also fifty years after its production if the photograph has not been published or authorized to be publicly reproduced within this period the term is calculated in accordance with section 69 google translation of section 69 69g application of other legal provisions contract law 1 the provisions of this section do not affect the application of other legal provisions to computer programs in particular those concerning the protection of inventions topographies of semiconductor products trademarks and protection against unfair competition including the protection of trade and business secrets or contractual agreements 2 contractual provisions that conflict with 69d subsections 2 3 5 or 7 or with 69e are void section 69 calculation of time limits the time limits under this section commence at the end of the calendar year in which the event determining the start of the time limit occurred i cited the wrong section on the time limits 69g applies to computer programs space4time3continuum2x talk 19 39 30 july 2026 utc reply i assume that the antiquarian bookshop that sold the print to museum digital didn t have a license agreement with williams or his heirs but i m not a lawyer space4time3continuum2x talk 12 43 30 july 2026 utc reply not sure about the german side of this for works that were published only recently but in the u s all ways a work by someone who died in 1900 could currently be copyrighted require that it was first published between 1931 and 2002 inclusive 1931 will move year by year for the next several decades 2002 will not if published before 1931 then it has necessarily passed into the public domain on the basis of publication date 95 years if unpublished on 1 january 2003 when the u s law changed it passed into the u s public domain on the basis of p m a 70 and of course there are other ways that works published in the u s 1931 28 february 1989 could lose copyright through lack of conforming to copyright formalities also works published elsewhere and lacking those formalities regained u s copyright 1 january 1996 or other dates for some countries that joined the berne convention after that which is not relevant for germany only if they were still copyrighted in their country of first publication jmabel talk 18 39 30 july 2026 utc reply part of the inscription on the photograph says photographie und verlag von sophus williams berlin 1888 photograph and publishing by sophus williams berlin 1988 that would mean that under german law the copyright protection expired at the end of 1938 the provenance rights note on the photograph says it s cc by but it seems it needs to which version space4time3continuum2x talk 20 01 30 july 2026 utc reply space4time3continuum2x you wrote 1888 in the german an 1988 in the english translation may i assume the 1988 was just a typo rather than the quoted german original being wrong if the work was published in 1888 by someone who died in 1900 it is simply pd old auto expired 1900 as far as i can tell there cannot possibly be a valid cc license because by the time cc licenses were introduced there was already no one with a valid copyright claim in any country and so no one who could grant such a license when i read your original post i presumed you were asking about photos of his besides the ones that were published in his lifetime since the case was so clear cut for any published within his lifetime reading more closely i see that the print uploaded to museum digital de s website means a print of the same photo that you said was published in 1888 my apologies for not seeing that for copyright purposes the only way it would matter that there were different prints is if they were differently cropped jmabel talk 21 44 30 july 2026 utc reply jmabel thank you for the info my apologies for the typo not the first time i wrote 19 instead of 18 i once wrote that the army of the cumberland commissioned a memorial to civil war general thomas in 1979 by which time the army had long since ceased to exist instead of 1879 didn t notice it until eight days later so i ll make a screenshot of the print upload it with the old auto expired template and use https berlin museum digital de object 116740 as the source is there any special wording for the permission reusing this file part that goes along with the template or do i omit this parameter space4time3continuum2x talk 10 15 31 july 2026 utc reply space4time3continuum2x i assume that by the old auto expired template you mean pd old auto expired the template i referred to it does not have a parameter permission reusing this file so i don t know how to answer your question jmabel talk 00 12 1 august 2026 utc reply jmabel sorry i just assumed the parameter would be there hadn t tried to upload the image yet i ve done so now and the upload was accepted thanks again for your help one thing i haven t figured out is how to link to williams s creator page or alternatively his german wikipedia page to get rid of the red link space4time3continuum2x talk 14 32 1 august 2026 utc reply space4time3continuum2x looks like user aa77zz did the remaining steps for you jmabel talk 18 56 1 august 2026 utc reply thanks and thank you user aa77zz space4time3continuum2x talk 19 23 1 august 2026 utc reply threshold of originality edit latest comment 2 days ago 2 comments 2 people in discussion can someone please have a look at this logo and check if too applies thanks 2026 42190 76 talk 19 42 30 july 2026 utc reply i may be well be below the german too taking into account that this logo was ruled to be below the too ruslik talk 19 53 31 july 2026 utc reply uploading photos by deceased family members edit latest comment 2 days ago 2 comments 2 people in discussion hi i have a family archive of photos that i think would be valuable for commons that were taken by family members who have since passed away i would like to upload a selection of some of these photos to commons and thus release them with a cc license and i am a legal heir of the estates in question and i have permission of other legal heirs as well i am certain that the copyrights of these photos in question belong to the family members in question and not other parties are there guidelines on how to do this please kfp talk 22 23 30 july 2026 utc reply commons guidelines for heirs licensing inherited works category commons heirs licensing template cc by sa 4 0 heirs these should help andy dingley talk 22 58 30 july 2026 utc reply photos exposed by exploiting an api call wordpress vulnerability on us senate website edit latest comment 4 hours ago 15 comments 7 people in discussion regarding file darline graham official portrait jpg the photo has not been officially published anywhere but was exposed by the uploader by exploiting a wordpress api vulnerability in their edit adding the image the uploader states i know about how wordpress websites work and i made an api call to her senate website to list all media uploaded to the site i quickly found it afterwards first of all is it kosher to upload images obtained via exploit to commons second of all even if it were how do we know the licensing status of this image we have zero information about this image other than the fact that it exists racheltensions talk 15 53 31 july 2026 utc reply that s yeesh i can t speak to the policy implications i do not know if it s ok to upload unpublished images obtained via an exploit like that but from a copyright standpoint it s somewhat murky to me the photo was definitely taken the day she was sworn in not sure if it was before or after the ceremony presumably before as she is not wearing a congressional pin yet it could have been taken by a member of her personal team family friends who joined her that day i e not federal staff a member of her senate staff which at that point would ve been like 3 people at the absolute most as she was sworn in that day for a sudden opening a professional photographer working for the senate seems unlikely it s not the highest quality photo or another unknown person with a different connection to the senator if they had actually published the photo on their website i would ve been much more comfortable assuming the person who made it was a federal employee but they didn t publish it it s just sitting on their server without being used what i am sure of though is that the caption is definitely inaccurate there s no way that s her official senate portrait courtesy tag to the uploader minermatt122514 19h00s talk 16 07 31 july 2026 utc reply the quoted edit summary doesn t say anything about that particular exploit is there evidence that they used it or that there is no innocent possibility perhaps they consulted the public api documentation or even merely constructed a url from knowledge of how similar urls are formatted on the same site i wonder whether there is specific case law because realistically the relevant statutes are pre internet about whether posting at an undisclosed url on a site that will nevertheless dutifully serve the file is publication does it matter whether the url is obvious in context versus obsfuscated to a particular degree thefeds 17 36 31 july 2026 utc reply 19h00s the composition of the portrait photo is really similar to that of sens rochester file and alsobrooks file it s possible it was the same photographer for the senate howardcorn33 14 00 2 august 2026 utc reply fair i guess i m used to the more traditionally composed ones like sens van hollen file or king file they re normally posed with a background of either the capitol or a flag in any case the photos of sens rochester and alsobrooks are readily available on their websites having been explicitly published i still feel weird about this situation and i think i will continue to feel weird unless and until the photo is explicitly published on sen graham s website elsewhere if it wasn t taken by a federal staffer they ll almost certainly credit the image to its non federal author if it s definitely a photo by their office or senate staff then it either won t have a credited author or will say something like the office of senator darline graham or senate photography studio 19h00s talk 15 26 2 august 2026 utc reply i did not use a vulnerability all you have to do is add to is https example com wp json wp v2 media and it will list media uploaded to the website wordpress literally mentions it on their developer website this is an intentional feature this is what it gave me at my access level there are parts of the api that are restricted to logged in users but this is not one of them https developer wordpress org rest api reference media minermatt122514 talk 20 35 31 july 2026 utc reply i was actually already aware of how the api worked without needing to consult that documentation because i work for an organization 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