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a language 𝕁𝕄𝔽 talk 14 28 17 december 2024 utc reply commagate edit latest comment 1 year ago 13 comments 7 people in discussion as by request of escape orbit i open this talk to discuss minor changes across multiple article of all english alphabet the question of change is whether should i remove commas in the beginning or not as i firstly wanted to remove one comma in the beginning of article but then user schazjmd suggested it would be grammatically correct to remove two commas as in a or a instead of a or a so i want to reach consensus with all users to have approval of those minor edits aiienlong talk 17 21 31 december 2024 utc reply so wait you knew there was not consensus for this and made this thread with its title indicating such but you completed your imposition of it regardless while pointing to an experienced user as giving you permission when that s clearly not what they said remsense 论 18 35 31 december 2024 utc reply first of all i did that talk and no one reached me on that issue in that talk so what consensus you talking about if its not argued then there s no point against it second of all what permission you talking about it was request to make that talk not permission aiienlong talk 12 13 1 january 2025 utc reply aiienlong discussion and establishing a new consensus different from the existing does not happen overnight you need at least a week to give others a chance to contribute especially when you are talking about a change over 26 prominent articles it s usual in the absence of any ongoing discussion or dispute to assume that the current content has consensus my view is that this change does not improve the article it was better before for the simple reason that the article name is a not a or a so the mention of a should be a separate clause in the same way as biographies mention alternative names someone might have but i don t have strong feelings about it and am happy to hear other s opinions escape orbit talk 21 07 1 january 2025 utc reply okay then i ll wait for conclusion to those article for a week until others will reach that issue to find consensus if not then these changes will be left there as no one other than you reached although i respect your opinion but title of article doesn t have anything to do with the first words of introduction and even if it have the a capital and a miniscule are both bold which doesn t affiliate to the comma after first a as it already bold and other a also bold so they refer to the same thing which i don t see your exact point but as insignificant excuse to changes in the articles such as those aiienlong talk 23 14 1 january 2025 utc reply no you will put the the consensus version that you reverted again back you do not get to impose terms on content that you disagree with remsense 论 04 37 2 january 2025 utc reply i m not imposing terms i putting it to simplify process as with not writing 26 talk on different pages aiienlong talk 14 14 2 january 2025 utc reply btw is consensus opinion matter or we should apply some objectivity aiienlong talk 14 21 2 january 2025 utc reply aiienlong title of article doesn t have anything to do with the first words of introduction please read mos first if possible the page title should be the subject of the first sentence i m afraid your approach here is just illustrating you re not sufficiently familiar with wikipedia s manual of style to be attempting such a prominent and widespread alteration especially when others have advised you against it you re free of course to suggest and perform what you believe are improvements these are always welcomed but you ve dived in at the deep end when you d be best advised to first test the water at the shallow end escape orbit talk 16 23 2 january 2025 utc reply i agree with your assessment this change was unnecessary and made the first sentence quite a bit more confusing from my perspective as a non native speaker of english it should be reverted to the old version in my opinion lightlyseared talk 12 31 2 january 2025 utc reply oppose per escape orbit s analysis 𝕁𝕄𝔽 talk 12 56 2 january 2025 utc reply oppose no improvement dewritech talk 15 30 2 january 2025 utc reply i agree with that change eagleindesert talk 15 48 2 january 2025 utc reply mentioned language edit latest comment 1 year ago 1 comment 1 person in discussion is the first language mentioned dependant on the language the page is currently set to i am not bilingual but i m sure there are other languages that use the letter a more than english lookingatthatwall talk 04 28 15 january 2025 utc reply the map with letter names edit latest comment 1 year ago 1 comment 1 person in discussion does the map with letter names in the first section constitute original research i can t find any sourcing on the wikimedia page which is where i d expect it if the names can t be sourced i think it s better if we remove the image also the image features phonemic transcription instead of phonetic which i think is wrong for a map trying to show pronunciations a correct analysis then has to read all the language pages for the languages featured which are not labelled and their phonology sections assuming the same transcription is used here that is aspets talk 21 07 3 february 2025 utc reply other pages say я originates from epsilon not a edit latest comment 1 year ago 1 comment 1 person in discussion on я s page it says it comes from little yus in which the early cyrillic alphabet page says it comes from glagolitic ens ⱔ on the glagolitic script page it says the origin of ens is greek epsilon wouldn t this mean ya is not a sister of a and instead e 2607 fea8 6119 e370 b9b6 6b0d f449 7435 talk 06 15 8 february 2025 utc reply other uses edit latest comment 1 year ago 1 comment 1 person in discussion the other uses section is a stub we have also other uses for a or a in physics or even music aminabzz talk 15 56 19 february 2025 utc reply obsolescent even obsolete legacy computer encodings wp due edit latest comment 1 year ago 1 comment 1 person in discussion there is a discussion at talk i obsolescent even obsolete legacy computer encodings wp due contributions invited 𝕁𝕄𝔽 talk 07 41 19 july 2025 utc reply angle brackets a or just a edit latest comment 1 year ago 1 comment 1 person in discussion there is a discussion at wikipedia talk wikiproject writing systems angle brackets on whether this article and similar articles should begin a or a is the first letter and the first vowel letter of the latin alphabet or a or a is the first letter and the first vowel letter of the latin alphabet in other words should visitors be presented with the ipa notation immediately please contribute there if you have a view 𝕁𝕄𝔽 talk 15 58 20 august 2025 utc reply semi protected edit request on 18 november 2025 edit latest comment 10 months ago 2 comments 2 people in discussion this edit request has been answered set the answered parameter to no to reactivate your request chknnwaflz1538 talk 05 46 18 november 2025 utc reply i would like to formally request that we change the section that explains that the apple is used in schools to teach students the letter a as for the past few years they have transitioned to the alligator due to the fact that they want to seamlessly transition into using all animals not done please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made umby talk 05 59 18 november 2025 utc reply semi protected edit request on 11 december 2025 edit latest comment 9 months ago 3 comments 3 people in discussion this edit request has been answered set the answered parameter to no to reactivate your request i need to change the latter is commonly used in handwriting and fonts based on it to the letter is commonly used in handwriting fonts based on it 2025 40026 75 talk 22 59 11 december 2025 utc reply not done the article currently says exactly what it intends to say the lowercase version is often written in one of two forms the double storey a and single storey ɑ the latter is commonly used in handwriting the word latter means the last of two or several options general ization talk 23 16 11 december 2025 utc reply yes it is correct but it is stumbling block to speed readers so i have tweaked it slightly so that it now says the latter form is commonly etc which should at least lower the trip hazard 𝕁𝕄𝔽 talk 13 10 12 december 2025 utc reply pronunciation edit latest comment 5 months ago 10 comments 2 people in discussion taking this edit war to the talk page english is not a prescriptive language so there is no correct pronunciation in london s east end a is pronounced like i say i are they wrong says who wp lead says that the lead should summarise the body the body says that there are many pronunciations of the letter it gives four for english alone so the lead should say that not claim in wikivoice that there is a single right answer clear 𝕁𝕄𝔽 talk 12 26 19 april 2026 utc reply your tone is unhelpful you re not talking to idiots here but you seem to be still missing the fact that the statement in the lead and the statements in the body are about two entirely different topics they are not in competition to each other or contradictory the statements in the body that list those many different pronunciations incidentally i m not sure where you re seeing four of them it actually says there are at least seven listing æ ɑː ɒ ɔː ɛː eɪ ə are about what phonemes the letter can represent in spelling the statement in the lead is about how the name of the letter is pronounced and for that there really is only this one answer which has nothing to do with being prescriptive or correct for all speakers of english the name of the letter a is the vowel in the face lexical set yes of course there s accent variation in the realization of that vowel ranging from london aɪ to scottish e and all that but in wikipedia pronuncation notation we conventionally denote that vowel with eɪ following the diaphonemic approach laid out at help ipa english it is that exact same notation convention we re also using in the body where we are giving the list of æ ɑː ɒ ɔː ɛː eɪ ə the eɪ there is being used in exactly the same diaphonemic sense i see no reason why we shouldn t use it in the same sense in the lead too just as we do in pronunciation guides all over the wiki now we can certainly make a case for removing that statement from the lead completely for being utterly trivial in fact anybody who has ever learned to recite the a b c in english already knows how the name is pronounced and people who haven t learned the a b c are unlikely to come here to read this article so we are literally not telling anybody anything new there unlike with cases such as h or z where there are non trivial differences in usage but burdening the statement with extra notes about received pronunciation as if there was anything special about that seems not very productive to me fut perf 13 06 19 april 2026 utc reply how does that explain or justify use of a recording of just one of the many ways to pronounce it 𝕁𝕄𝔽 talk 13 32 19 april 2026 utc reply i have no objection against removing the sound file if that s what you find problematic it wasn t clear from your previous comments that your objection was directed specifically at the sound file link fut perf 13 39 19 april 2026 utc reply precisely i will delete it peace in our time 𝕁𝕄𝔽 talk 16 57 19 april 2026 utc reply so it now says pronounced as in say leaving it to wiktionary to provide four pronunciations in english but disgracefully fails to include london standard cockney in which sounds like sigh to my ear 𝕁𝕄𝔽 talk 17 13 19 april 2026 utc reply by the way are you principally opposed to the use of our conventional diaphonemic ipa transcriptions in pronunciation notes and or principally opposed to the use of illustrative sound files linked to them we are using both of these in countless other articles including all of the other english alphabet letters articles i for one can t see what s more objectionable about saying that the name of a is a pronounced ˈeɪ than about saying that the name of y is wye pronounced ˈwaɪ or indeed how it is more problematic than saying that the name of birmingham is pronounced ˈbɜːrmɪŋəm or that of hastings is ˈheɪstɪŋz fut perf 18 31 19 april 2026 utc reply my concern arises when we declare in wikispeak that this is how a word is correctly pronounced we already have enough problems with wp engvar wrt spelling and grammar let s not add to them by creating artificial disputes over pronunciation there is no equivalent thank goodness of the academie française for english so we have no reason to choose any particular pronunciation rp is recognised to a degree in the uk gb only but elsewhere it is what the arch villain speaks see many american movies passim i concur that it is utterly trivial and a waste of space but we are where we are giving the ipa for uses of the letter is sailing close to the wind but is at least encyclopedic wiktionary gets it right by openly declaring the different pronunciations and illustrating with sound grabs as best it can but that is not the function of wikipedia i am not setting out on a campaign to hunt down all such usages it was just this example that struck me as particularly egregious 𝕁𝕄𝔽 talk 19 55 19 april 2026 utc reply and birmingham is pronounced bare ming am 𝕁𝕄𝔽 talk 19 57 19 april 2026 utc reply birmingham england that is no idea how birmingham alabama is pronounced 𝕁𝕄𝔽 talk 19 59 19 april 2026 utc reply semi protected edit request on 30 april 2026 edit latest comment 3 months ago 2 comments 2 people in discussion hi am themostidioticofthemall i noticed that the article is no longer protected so vandals can vandalize the article i think this article should be semi protected until 31 january 2027 themostidioticofthemall talk 21 56 30 april 2026 utc reply well this article just got semi protected indefinitely following this request due to vandalism resuming each time the semi protection expires and the fact that it was previously semi protected indefinitely from 2011 to 2022 when the protection was lost following a brief page deletion on 9 august 2022 see the protection and deletion logs it seems that this article is gonna be semi protected for as long as it remains a high profile common subject bridash9000 talk 20 20 8 june 2026 utc reply semi protected edit request on 22 september 2026 edit latest comment 1 hour ago 2 comments 2 people in discussion this edit request has been answered set the answered parameter to no to reactivate your request the 🅰️ links to a blood type you should change this to not have a link at all 2026 51024 58 talk 00 51 22 september 2026 utc reply i don t know what this means drmies talk 00 52 22 september 2026 utc reply retrieved from https en wikipedia org w index php title talk a oldid 1376090679 categories c class writing system articles low importance writing system articles this page was last edited on 22 september 2026 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