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us counter arguments one which i ve already touched on and one which will sums up wearing a poppy is quite a unique thing there aren t many ways that the british are able to symbolise a positive relationship to nation without descending to nationalism to recognise the honour of the military without veering into militarism it also has a beautiful ambiguity it may represent something very patriotic and proud or a form of pacifism it needn t mourn the dead of any particular war or even any particular nation it may even represent mourning for the horrors of the twentieth century more generally it s not irrelevant that most of those who have died in war over the last 100 years did not go into the military as a career but were dragged into hellish territorial disputes some people might feel particularly moved by those conscripts others won t these various ambiguities allow people to congregate symbolically without being defined symbolically the poppy is about a positive relationship to nation and the honour of the military it celebrates membership of a nation state with armed forces with all the ambiguities and differences of emphasis which that allows for different people the same symbol can commemorate an imperialist adventure carried out by professional soldiers and a continent wide war to defeat fascism waged by a mass army of conscripts but these different forms of commemoration remain within the framework of the nation state my 1990s anti fascist poppies were precisely celebrating the role of the british army in licking hitler this is why it s beside the point to point out that very few people actually believe that every british serviceman or woman killed in the line of duty in every conflict the uk has been involved in between wwi and the present day was a necessary price to pay to safeguard our national security and that anyone putting forward this hyper militarised view of the world would scarcely qualify as politically neutral the implicit argument here is not that the nation state is neutral with regard to politics but that it s prior to politics the british state and the armed forces which underwrite its monopoly of legitimate force are the precondition of any kind of politics in britain and of any kind of public sphere we are not saluting those who died for no good reason in iraq or afghanistan or the falls road but the men who protect you and i what we are certainly not doing and here i entirely agree with will is saying that we think being injured is bad and being killed is even worse an even more pre political appeal and one which evacuates the actual poppy ritual of what little politics it still gives houseroom to and it s because the poppy is a salute to the armed forces our armed forces that coming to my second argument neither wearing a poppy nor refusing to wear one is a free choice in the sense that it s a free choice to wear or not to wear a pink breast cancer ribbon or a help for heroes wristband to say that the nation state is prior to politics to say that we enjoy british democracy and british liberties is to say that we as members of that nation state bear allegiance to the ultimate authorities of the state and the armed forces which are both symbol and last ditch embodiment of their power over us i lived in a forces town as a child if nothing else it leaves you with an abiding respect for the armed forces ability to get the job done whatever the job might be and if we bear allegiance then once in a while respect should be paid declining to wear a poppy is opting out of allegiance to the state it s either an explicit protest or rather distastefully eccentric after all why wouldn t you i see this in my children s reaction to my failure to wear a poppy i really should make my protest more explicit i ve never worn a white poppy incidentally the white poppy still has an air more of eccentricity about it than protest perhaps because it says that the wearer wants to join in the ritual of commemoration and yet withdraw from it like joining a march but insisting on making up your own slogans the danger in all this is that sometimes the most useful thing we can do is not to pay respect to authority and the time of war may be one of those times in january this year i was in a pub when a loud and emotional argument broke out between a drunk and a squaddie who was about to ship back out to afghanistan where he d recently seen his best friend killed he was holding his drink quite well but he was obviously quite well gone himself the argument consisted mainly of the squaddie taking exception to everything the drunk said and trying to shut him up by the drunk man s usual method of talking over him very calmly very loudly and at great length the drunk responded with the even drunker man s tactic of carrying on regardless in the blithe confidence that if he went on talking for long enough everyone in the world would agree with him it was a fun evening i wouldn t have minded so much but we were trying to have a singaround at the time anyway nothing the drunk said upset or offended the squaddie so much as his profession of support and sympathy we re all behind you mate we want to get you out of there and get you home safe and sound big mistake they had a job to do we were told and they were going to get it done anyone who said different just didn t understand there was a job to do the army had been sent out there to do it and they were going to stay there till the job was done they had a job on hand the job was going to get done and they were going to make sure it got done from within the armed forces of course this is very much how you d expect the world to look they re an instrument of the state and they re there to get the job done provided the job involves either weaponry or boots on the ground the danger of paying respect to our state and our armed forces is that we as citizens buy into this heads down goal oriented mindset theirs not to reason why why iraq why malaya why ireland and ours neither support the troops we re urged and we re asked to support them in just the same dogged unconditional way that they re told to do their job but that way our sympathy for the poor bloody infantry leads us to echo their unquestioning support for the goals they re asked to achieve and that s precisely what we as civilians shouldn t be doing they don t have the luxury of asking whether they should be going where they re sent but we do and we owe it to ourselves to use it so because i don t think the british nation state is prior to the politics that matter in a way that my working class ancestry decidedly is and because while i mourn the loss of life in britain s current imperialist adventures i can t endorse them and above all because there is a war on and i believe this is precisely the moment when spaces for debate and dissent most need to be opened up for all these reasons i m not wearing a poppy update a song for today share this print opens in new window print email a link to a friend opens in new window email share on x opens in new window x share on facebook opens in new window facebook like loading by phil also posted in anti imperialist britain decent left history just me then nations political violence popular singing groups comments 0 now the grownups have gone 10 june 2010 16 56 i ve just signed the 38 degrees petition on capital gains tax dear george osborne please stick to your commitment in the coalition agreement by increasing capital gains tax to rates similar to income tax by making the top level of capital gains tax the same as income tax reducing the level at which people have to start paying tax on money earned from investments like stocks and shares and second homes i d urge everyone to do likewise even though it goes against the grain to petition george osborne for anything shouldn t there be structures for this kind of thing isn t petitioning a fundamentally pre democratic mechanism implying that the subjects are respectfully tugging the sleeve of their exalted ruler there being no other legitimate way for them to express themselves or maybe it s a post democratic mechanism i dunno file under cheery thoughts anyway the petition comes with a comment box and i was very tempted to add the line make the rich pay for the crisis then i remembered the provenance of that particular slogan and left the box blank there s always the possibility the depressing possibility that whoever ends up looking at the petition would see my comment and think huh a tired old bit of sloganising from a radio tirana listener and fellow traveller of the rcpb m l not to mention the even more depressing possibility that they wouldn t i owe the hoxhaites a debt of gratitude as it happens back in 1983 waiting for a demo against anti union laws to get started i came quite close to being recruited by the revolutionary communist party a bored looking girl with a crew cut gave me a copy of the next step sic and explained how er i forget what exactly i was quite impressed anyway and continued to be impressed by what i read in the paper the rcp were in their phase of well er obviously ultra logical not quite ultra leftism at the time not quite ultra left just enough to outflank everyone else except the anarchists who don t count of course so obviously the state of israel must be destroyed and obviously the ira must be supported unconditionally and obviously the union leaders all of them must be totally ignored in favour of really extra vigorous rank and file stuff of some sort this approach had the merit of simplicity allied to an appealingly cool tone in both senses of the word tns really did look nice and logic lots and lots of logic it was also considerably more revolutionary than you unless you were an anarchist but anarchists don t count of course anyway i was young i was radical i was single and unemployed i was about as available for recruitment by a trotskyist group as i ve ever been and i vaguely knew it my student days don t count i was at cambridge and mostly avoided getting involved in any kind of organised politics out of sheer embarrassment i didn t know much about the revolution but i was pretty sure it wasn t going to be made by cambridge students so i was mulling over the rcp s overtures later that day when the demo finally got going being on my own i d decided to watch most of the march going by and tag on near the end and who should pass by but a contingent of about eight middle aged beardies clustered quite closely around a large and elderly red banner walking in step and raising a chant of you guessed it make the rich pay for the crisis not the snappiest slogan at the best of times and being chanted by eight middle aged blokes who were passing by at quite a brisk pace didn t enhance its impact the banner one of those big square ish ones in a frame read revolutionary communist party of britain marxist leninist blimey i thought so that s what they re really like update 4 7 10 in response to kier in comments ok that s not the whole truth at first i was genuinely confused by the mismatch between the cool paper with the purple ink and the knot of earnest beardies and i did momentarily think that the latter was the real face of the former but i did work it out after a while and the rcpb m l didn t put me off the rcp no relation for good in fact i had a few contacts with them back in manchester until they gave up trying to recruit me which i remember they did with a very bad grace with the strong implication that i d been wasting their time i just think it s interesting that while my first impression of the rcp was positive my second impression was that they were a tightly knit group of dedicated activists declaiming peculiar sounding slogans in apparent indifference to how they looked to the rest of the left share this print opens in new window print email a link to a friend opens in new window email share on x opens in new window x share on facebook opens in 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