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emselves to make those calls why impose our culture or preferred ways of doing church onto people when planting the gospel let s just plant the seed and allow the spirit to grow it up however he wants with or without a building with or without paid staff etc when we plant the gospel and help bible study groups to transition into home churches we re not trying to prove the viability of a house church model neither are we trying to disprove the viability of a brick and mortar church we go into it acknowledging that some of the home based laity led churches we help new believers to start will remain home based and laity led other churches will decide they want to get a building and become big church similarly some will decide they want to compensate one of their own to be a paid pastor some of the new churches may morph into a variety of different models as time goes by and their situations change we plant the seed gospel not buildings as the seed grows it may involve buildings sometime in the future or it may not our job as missionaries in los angeles is to make disciples and teach them to obey all the commands of christ we teach obedience based discipleship that sees disciples reproducing disciples leaders reproducing leaders and churches reproducing churches we don t tell them how to put church together in their culture rather we teach them that the word of god is the teacher and train them to discern from god s word and the guidance from the holy spirit how their obedience gets expressed in their context this means church gets put together differently in different cultures and at different times but obedience remains the same while part of me is tempted to imagine a world where all churches have no buildings i d rather imagine a church where we are committed to planting the seed alone let s preach jesus not jesus __________ fill in the blank with our preferred ways of doing church let s train people in obedience based discipleship to jesus christ and let them figure out for themselves if their obedience would be better expressed right now with or without a building paid staff or tiny communion cups or this or that worship style we can work with the indigenous leaders of the new churches and serve as a guide to them in the process but let s not shortchange them by making those decisions for them good questions wes let s keep imagining in jesus name now that s worth reading right there phil thank you very much for your thoughtful response i have a deep respect for what you re doing and the motives driving your methodology bless you brother anyway i m feeling a bit cheeky so i ll leave you with this i dare you to show that at your next building committee meeting ha 2 comments posted in contextualization culture ministry theology tags hating church buildings some more lol posted by dvdbrumley november 14 2008 you can t handle the truth without a doubt one of the all time most memorable lines from cinema in the past twenty years came from jack nicholson in the movie a few good men when pressed in a court martial hearing about the practices of the military jack nicholson s character bellows out you can t handle the truth he was referring to the fact that while all of us want to feel that we are safe in this world because our military protects us this security comes with a price sometimes things have to be done that many of us don t want to know about and would not want to get our hands dirty doing it is a thankless job that is done not for gratitude but for purpose in luke 17 our loving jesus reminds us that we as christians have a duty to serve him and his purpose in our lives we don t do this job to receive gratitude from him our master but for purpose in verses 7 10 jesus explains that our life is one to be spent in service work for him jesus reminds us that this is a thankless work in verse 9 and that we are foolish if we expect payment from him prior to his needs being met even then we are not worthy of payment because we are simply doing our duty this sounds so different than the prosperity gospel that is so prevalent today today and i fear even in the church of christ people are being taught that they simply need to be baptized come to church and quit their bad habits and that jesus will pour his blessing upon them i call foul this teaching is not in line with christ s teachings christ is using the parable in luke 17 to forewarn us that if we expect to meet him it s time to get to work our mission is one of duty not namesake if we want to be member s of christ s kingdom it is time to get to work so the question then arises over why are we not teaching this from our pulpit s mission fields christian publications and sunday school classes i fear that the answer is that like jack nicholson s character in a few good men we are telling believers and non believers alike that you can t handle the truth are we afraid that if we really tell people what is required of them after baptism that our numbers might drop is our faith in jesus really so weak that we believe we have to withhold the actual truth about the narrow gate in order to get people to accept him have we allowed the gospel to become so sugar coated with political correctness that our churches are now full of members who will walk out should we tell them they are not doing enough to advance christ s mission for us where are the men and women who will stand up in love and honor and tell our brothers and sisters we see slipping away from the field of duty that they are hindering christ s return all of us are unworthy but none of us have a right to ignore our mission imagine with me you are standing at the throne of our loving and most powerful god on judgment day god then inquires from you about not only the community around you and those who are lost but those of your home congregation god may ask why did you not tell jack and jill that you thought they could do more to help in spreading the gospel why did you not tell them they were disgracing the cross by thinking they had done enough for christ s kingdom why did you not sew these people i put at your feet how will god respond when you answer i didn t think they could handle the truth 1 comment posted in ministry tags luke 17 prosperity gospel truth posted by weswoodell november 13 2008 i hate church buildings and i don t believe i m alone my wife and i drove into the church parking lot last night before wednesday evening services after pulling into a spot and throwing the transmission into park i became lost in thought staring at the moon through my front windshield my wife noticed that i d zoned out and asked me what i was thinking about never setting foot inside another church building ever i said and i was serious too please read the rest of what i have to say gracefully i am just one man with one opinion i don t claim to speak for anyone but myself but don t believe i m alone in feeling the way i feel quick sidenote a pet peeve of mine is preachers and teachers who say we this and we that in describing some sin spiritual shortcoming or organizational error when very often their we should be their own me speak for yourself buddy moving on i still consider myself quite green in many areas of life i m only in my late twenties have only been in ministry for half a decade only been married for a few years and my two kids are both under two years of age i have no problem saying that there s much in the world that i ve yet to understand and much future experience will teach but one thing i have come to understand in my limited experience is the redemption jesus brings into the world and the joy that comes with not only having it myself but in sharing it with others that it that s embodied and manifested in him before giving my life to christ i d done nearly every kind of drug known to man and i can honestly say that nothing nothing compares to the high i get in seeing someone who was lost jaded hopeless and dead in sin to come to know jesus and experience that total transformation from the root of their soul out nothing compares to that and if too much time passes without my having witnessed another soul saved i m like an addict going through withdrawals like there s this itch that i just can t seem to scratch and the only relief i get comes from pouring myself into another person who doesn t know my savior ok so maybe that sounds a bit over the top but its the best way i can describe how i m feeling right now and the best way i can describe how i was feeling last night when i made that statement to my wife i get excited when i read stories like this and in a world where this can happen you shouldn t be surprised at hearing a full time minister and missionary saying he never wants to set foot inside another church building i m so tired of the status quo and spectator christianity and i m tired of being part of a system that despite claims to the contrary is strictly event focused i m tired of church buildings and what they ve come to represent and i don t believe i m the only one who feels this way i don t believe i m the only one dissatisfied and dissatisfaction breeds revolution anyone else reading feel like i do despite my feelings or your feelings i don t think for a moment that church buildings are going to go away in fact my employer guarantees it pfffttt p two questions 1 since they re not going away what are some suggestions for how church buildings property can be used missionally 2 what would christianity look like if church buildings didn t exist please respond to 1 in a comment and if nothing else take some time to reflect on 2 thanks for letting me vent p 11 comments posted in ministry uncategorized tags i hate church buildings posted by nick gill november 12 2008 simply missional review with commentary jay guin an elder with the university congregation in tuscaloosa al writes at an amazing pace his website one in jesus is well worth your interest if you ve never been there before right now he s reviewing and commenting on simply missional an article by ed stetzer and eric geiger in neue magazine check it out in his love nick leave a comment posted in uncategorized posted by michaelhanegan november 10 2008 new missional network james nored preaching minister at the north pointe church of christ has created a new network for people in the missional conversation it is incredibly functional and will be a great addition to this conversation in churches of christ check it out at www missionalnetwork ning com 1 comment posted in updates tags network updates posted by mattdabbs november 5 2008 one of the best lists of missional links on the web j r woodward has compiled what is undoubtedly one of the best lists of missional links on the web i am not sure how many links he has there but it is well over 100 and it consists of very high quality blog posts articles and videos this might be something to link to on the sidebar of the outpost or somewhere permanent on the blog 1 comment posted in uncategorized posted by dvdbrumley november 4 2008 an election day prayer dear god you are so wonderful you have filled my life with happiness and joy even though i do not deserve it you have blessed even though i have made choices in the past that were worthy of your punishment i am unequipped to fathom the depths of your love knowledge and power you have shaped the world around me to be one in which i can glorify you and have given me the wisdom to know that i must you are amazing i come before you today as a sinner who falls short in so many areas each day specifically today i confess the sin of not trusting in you totally god i have allowed myself to be caught up in the political fervor of our age and of not allowing my faith in you to shine through when discussing the election father when trying to inform people of the facts in this election i have failed to remind people including myself that a true faith in you should prevent any fear or concern over what will come on this earth i have allowed my unfaithfulness to be covered behind the guise of fear for my children s future and i have not taken the time to explain to my children that no matter what happens it is your great and holy will i have failed to take the opportunity to share my faith in you during each individual conversation i have had regarding this election and i have not reminded my fellow christian brothers and sisters that no matter who is elected we are commanded by you to respect and follow that man or woman please forgive me father holy god thank you for allowing me to live in a country where i can pray these words with no fear of state repercussions thank you for blessing my life with a wife and children who not only help me to love you but who i can see you in thank you for giving me this much time on this earth and for making yourself known to me and giving me a mission thank you for your holy word and the knowledge and comfort that is provided within the bible thank you for giving me a church family that listens to your will and that strives to make your presence known on this earth thank you for making me part of the kingdom thank you for the blood of your son and for it s ability to not only restore me but all who are willing to come to you with a humble heart father i ask you today to please bring me closer to your will give me the peace to know that no matter what happens in the election of today that your will is shining through and let me know your continued will for me as an individual in this nation father please help me to remember that my citizenship is not in this town state country or world please help me to remember please help me to serve please help me to remain respectful of my country s leaders and to allow jesus christ to shine through my attitudes and words used when discussing such father please allow my family to continue to grow in your grace father help me to love you make me a servant and use me up for your purposes in jesus holy and pure name amen leave a comment posted in spiritual formation tags election prayer posted by michaelhanegan november 2 2008 new series missional text s in this new series we want you to submit and discuss passages from scripture that have missional implications for the church today this is not to deny the fact that the very nature of scripture is god s missional communication to his creation but there are texts throughout god s word that speak directly to our missional identity as the people of god as you come across a text that speaks to us in this way share it here in the comments or submit a post for this series i look forward to learning more about god s word and more specifically how it is shaping our missional calling and vocation as the people of god leave a comment posted in missional text s tags bible missional scripture posted by michaelhanegan october 31 2008 initial model of a missional hermeneutic the following is my very initial understanding of what a missional hermeneuti...
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