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his land catch sight of thee now is he away with his trusty hounds tracking his savage quarry to the death for every stranger that he catcheth from the land of hellas doth he slay his reason never ask to know my lips are sealed for what could word of mine avail thee teucer lady thy words are fair heaven grant thee a fair requital for this kindness for though in form thou dost resemble helen thy soul is not like hers nay very different perdition seize her may she never reach the streams of eurotas but thine be joy for evermore lady euripides helen e p coleridge translator notice how he speaks viciously of phantom helen who caused the war and kindly of real helen who helps him get on his way it s an almost comic twisting of reality and rumor that doesn t seem so comic right now and helen never tells him who she really is helen s meeting with menelaus is similarly comic he s hidden phantom helen in a cave and now he comes face to face with another helen menelaus o hecate giver of light send thy visions favourably helen in me thou beholdest no spectre of the night attendant on the queen of phantoms menelaus nor yet am i in my single person the husband of two wives helen what other woman calls thee lord menelaus the inmate of yonder cave whom i from troy convey helen thou hast none other wife but me menelaus can it be my mind is wandering my sight failing helen dost not believe thou seest in me thy wife menelaus thy form resembles her but the real truth robs me of this belief helen observe me well what need hast thou of clearer proof menelaus thou art like her that will i never deny helen who then shall teach thee unless it be thine own eyes menelaus herein is my dilemma i have another wife helen to troy i never went that was a phantom menelaus pray who fashions living bodies helen the air whence thou hast a wife of heaven s workmanship menelaus what god s handiwork strange is the tale thou tellest helen hera made it as a substitute to keep me from paris euripides helen e p coleridge translator a messenger oh another messenger they really have great parts in these things tells him that phantom helen has disappeared gone up to the sky eventually menelaus gets over his confusion and they start working on ways to escape and go home i m curious about what happens when they get home if teucer is to be believed all of hellas hates helen what will life be like for her as she bears the blame but euripides doesn t tell us homer does in the odyssey when telemachus visits the couple they seem to be just fie maybe she as queen doesn t have to mingle with the population that much another interesting tidbit i discovered from the zoom session aristophanes wrote a parody of this play of all of euripides plays about women just a year later i really hve to look into aristophanes but that s beyond my current objective of understanding mythology all of these plays the ones i haven t mentioned have revelations and interpretations and histories that make them interesting study these just happen to be the ones i found most interesting i again recommend joel christensen s series which addresses all of the plays some more than once the playlist is linked below this concludes my january 2026 study of greek history and mythology i plan to pick up with thucydides history of the peloponnesian war later this year but for february i ll be returning to contemporary fiction beginning with dan sinykin and johanna winant s close reading for the twenty first century a delightful cornucopia of literary analysis of various works resources blog post on books of titans by erik rostad on his suggestion for how to approach reading greek tragedy blog post at senteniae antiquae by prof joel christensen of brandeis university on the reading greek tragedy online project complete playlist of the reading greek tragedy online project by the center for hellenic studies playlist philosophy of tragedy lectures by prof michael davis of sarah lawrence college the first one contains the quotes referenced above video from pbs giving an overview of the history of greek tragedy video of a performance of euripides medea my comments on the short story unfathomably deep by sophie madeline dess which makes strong use of medea share this share print opens in new window print share on pinterest opens in new window pinterest email a link to a friend opens in new window email share on x opens in new window x share on facebook opens in new window facebook share on tumblr opens in new window tumblr share on linkedin opens in new window linkedin share on reddit opens in new window reddit like loading 1 comment posted in in between reading 2026 what i ve been reading writing reading greek mythology part 1 the epic cycle ibr2026 posted by karen carlson on january 23 2026 let us finally return to the question we originally posed at the start of this introduction is the epic cycle as recoverable by fragments and the incomplete summary of proclus worth studying today we have already seen how aristotle and the alexandrian critics perceived that the poets of the cycle were not only different from but qualitatively inferior to the poet of the iliad and odyssey the main motive for continuing to study these poems must be what has already been stated as their main attraction in antiquity they did preserve however inadequately and inelegantly a good deal of interesting mythological information in many cases they may have been the earliest literary sources to contain these details homer s elimination of the crudely fantastic allowed him to achieve a personal and inimitable poetic vision but what homer left out clearly appealed to a substantial number of greeks homer s poetic world does not comprise the whole of the hellenic outlook the folk tale motifs one finds preserved in the cyclic poets are often fascinating in their own right and widen our perspective especially of the darker side of greek myth malcolm davies the greek epic cycle ch 1 the epic cycle when i read laura jenkinson brown s you are odysseus last year i was puzzled by the first entry where did this story about odysseus and diomedes come from i was pretty sure it wasn t in the odyssey i d just read it a few months before and indeed it wasn t it was in the little iliad one of the books of the epic cycle i vaguely remembered having heard of this before but at that point i became obsessed with these epics alas there aren t many print books about them aimed at a general readership so i started out with what was available the greek epic cycle by malcolm davies which presents a scholarly analysis of all eleven books focusing on the descriptions written by proclus plus the few available fragments because this book was a bit over my pay grade i supplemented my investigation with what was available on youtube all this means that if you are here to find answers for your homework you d better look elsewhere because i am not a reliable source i m just fumbling around trying to reinforce my memory and preserve something for later review i did have a lot of fun playing around with the material however and learned a great deal for instance the epic cycle is where the mythology is oedipus the judgment of paris the sacrifice of iphigenia the actual sack of troy all the stuff that isn t in the iliad and the odyssey but seems to be common knowledge i finally get it the story begins earlier and ends later than the homeric epics let on there are other sources of some other myths but this collection written down sometime around 700 bce is the og for much of what we call greek mythology for instance this is where so many of the tragedies come from sophocles didn t make his stuff up he adapted myths that had been passed along orally for centuries then were finally written down sometime around the same time as the more famous homeric epics but because the poetry was inferior they weren t copied and recopied as extensively so were for the most part lost phrased more eloquently aristotle specifically argues that the homeric epics work so well because their scope is defined by their protagonists while the shorter epics are so dispersed that there are multiple tragedies nestled within each so they work better when further broken down into the tragedies these plays strike the balance of homer s primary focus on character with the comfortable scope of very contained stories and due to the communal aspect of theater they had a far broader audience than all of the written epics but the iliad and odyssey ultimately this disparity in popular engagement explains why many trojan tragic plays survived the next several centuries while the written epics withered away non academic video history makers quintus of smyrna and the fall of troy by overly sarcastic productions a resource i ve used many times over the years a quick check of aristotle s poetics on project gutenberg shows books 24 and 26 bear this out epic poetry differs from tragedy in the scale on which it is constructed and in its metre as regards scale or length we have already laid down an adequate limit the beginning and the end must be capable of being brought within a single view this condition will be satisfied by poems on a smaller scale than the old epics and answering in length to the group of tragedies presented at a single sitting epic poetry has however a great a special capacity for enlarging its dimensions and we can see the reason in tragedy we cannot imitate several lines of actions carried on at one and the same time we must confine ourselves to the action on the stage and the part taken by the players but in epic poetry owing to the narrative form many events simultaneously transacted can be presented and these if relevant to the subject add mass and dignity to the poem the epic has here an advantage and one that conduces to grandeur of effect to diverting the mind of the hearer and relieving the story with varying episodes for sameness of incident soon produces satiety and makes tragedies fail on the stage aristotle poetics book 24 s h butcher translator moreover the art of tragedy attains its end within narrower limits for the concentrated effect is more pleasurable than one which is spread over a long time and so diluted once more the epic imitation has less unity as is shown by this that any epic poem will furnish subjects for several tragedies aristotle poetics book 26 s h butcher translator for instance i also discovered that homer s point of view expressed via the iliad and odyssey wasn t necessarily the only one in antiquity over and over davies remarks how homer removed a great deal of magical and fantastical material omens dreams etc he downplayed the role of women and he cleaned up odysseus to some degree that doesn t necessarily mean he s wrong and the others are right this is mythology not journalism but it does show the ancients had different ideas about their heroes i ve also seen different definitions of what comprises the epic cycle davies book covers ten poems which in some cases overlap the titanomachy war between the titans and olympians the oedipodea the oedipal myths the thebaid the theban wars the epigoni the sons of the theban war the cypria the beginning of the trojan war the iliad would follow here the aethiopis the death of achilles the little iliad the trojan horse iliu persis the sack of troy the nostoi the return home the odyssey would follow here the telegony the death of odysseus some focus on the trojan war limiting this to five or six poems beginning with the cypria it might seem strange to go back farther but as will be seen the early books feed into the trojan war story keep in mind we re dealing with extreme uncertainty here these poems are being recovered from later summaries by proclus in his chrestomathia apollodorus in his epitome and bibliotheca and a few fragments quoted here and there that sounds impressive i have no idea who these people are i did run into a proclus described as the successor to plato s academy back when i was playing around with euclid s elements but it seems this is a different proclus whom davies calls an author of unknown date and origin or what these books are but i have to start somewhere the titanomachy i was surprised to see this included didn t hesiod do this already davies points out differences but i was more interested in the one character i knew something about f6 deals with chiron a particularly humane and wise centaur whose beneficent attitude to mankind is often praised in greek literature the two verses in question clearly emanate from a longer list of kindnesses towards mortals and he brought the race of mortals to a state of justice by revealing to them the use of binding oaths and joyous feasts and to the signs of heaven such culture heroes are conspicuously absent from homer and though chiron is mentioned a handful of times in the iliad that poem keeps quiet about the tradition that he acted as tutor to such heroes as achilles or his father peleus malcolm davies the greek epic cycle ch 2 the titanomachy the golden apples of the hesperides also come into play so even at the beginning of the world when zeus was a young upstart breaking away from dad the seeds of the iliad were being sown the oedipodeia only two fragments of the story of oedipus exist and they seem to contradict the story as we have come to know it via sophocles plays haemon son of creon the king of thebes was killed by the sphinx prior to oedipus arrival and slaying of same thus haemon could not have been engaged to oedipus daughter antigone for the third play in the series the second fragment seems to indicate the gods revealed the incestuous nature of oedipus marriage immediately making four children unlikely but i m finding davies academicese difficult to parse so that could easily be a misread it fits however with the evelyn white edition which proposes the children were by a different woman the thebais oddly i was most interested in the first fragment davies reports of argos sing goddess the thirsty city from which the lords of the expedition against thebes set forth what interests me is not so much the content but the form in spite of having read that these are lost epic poems it wasn t until i read the invocation to the muse that i really understood that sometimes i have to be hit over the head with something to really absorb it i was also interested in davies discussion of the curse oedipus puts on his sons related by two fragments that apparently cite two different reasons first polyneices served him wine in a forbidden goblet which reminded him of his fallen status and second he served an inferior cut of meat it s interesting and quite unfair that polyneices commits the errors but both sons are cursed to continuing struggle between them particularly since polyneices is the son who comes across more sympathetically to me at least in the theban plays in any event the poem is mostly about the 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