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d me to use chromium a lot for video conferencing with this change in other words i will not need chromium for anything anymore whoohoo if slurp wofi or bemenu are installed one of them will be used to pick the monitor to share which effectively acts as some minimal security measure see xdg desktop portal wlr 1 for how to configure that side note chrome fails to share a full screen i was still using google chrome or more accurately debian s chromium package for some videoconferencing it s mainly because chromium was the only browser which will allow me to share only one of my two monitors which is extremely useful to start chrome with the wayland backend you need to use chromium enable features useozoneplatform ozone platform wayland if it shows an ugly gray border check the use system title bar and borders setting it can do some screensharing sharing a window and a tab seems to work but sharing a full screen doesn t it s all black maybe not ready for prime time and since firefox can do what i need under wayland now i will not need to fight with chromium to work under wayland apt purge chromium note that a similar fix was necessary for signal desktop see this commit basically you need to figure out a way to pass those same flags to signal enable features waylandwindowdecorations ozone platform hint auto email notmuch see emacs below file manager thunar unchanged news feed2exec gnus see email above or emacs in editor below editor emacs okay ish emacs is being actively ported to wayland according to this lwn article the first partial to cairo port was done in 2014 and a working port to gtk3 was completed in 2021 but wasn t merged until late 2021 that is after emacs 28 was released april 2022 so we ll probably need to wait for emacs 29 to have native wayland support in emacs which in turn is unlikely to arrive in time for the debian bookworm freeze there are however unofficial builds for both emacs 28 and 29 provided by spwhitton which may provide native wayland support i tested the snapshot packages and they do not quite work well enough first off they completely take over the builtin emacs they hijack the path in etc and certain things are simply not working in my setup for example this hook never gets ran on startup add hook after init hook server start t still like many x11 applications emacs mostly works fine under xwayland the clipboard works as expected for example scaling is a bit of an issue fonts look fuzzy i have heard anecdotal evidence of hard lockups with emacs running under xwayland as well but haven t experienced any problem so far i did experience a wayland crash with the snapshot version however todo look again at wayland in emacs 29 backups borg mostly irrelevant as i do not use a gui color theme srcery redshift gammastep i am keeping srcery as a color theme in general redshift is another story it has no support for wayland out of the box but it s apparently possible to apply a hack on the tty before starting wayland with redshift m drm po 3000 this tip is from the arch wiki which also has other suggestions for wayland based alternatives both kde and gnome have their own red shifters and for wlroots based compositors they currently sept 2022 list the following alternatives gammastep in debian panel indicator seems good clight uses the webcam to probe for light wl gammaray fork of gammastep runs as a dbus service wlsunset wnpp i configured gammastep with a simple gammastep service file associated with the sway session target display manager lightdm gdm3 switched because lightdm failed to start sway nov 16 16 41 43 angela sway 843121 00 00 00 002 error wlr libseat common terminal c 162 could not open target tty permission denied possible alternatives lightdm elephant greeter i tried slick greeter and ukui greeter neither could start the sway session greetd and qtgreet former in debian not latter which means we re stuck with the weird agreety which doesn t work at all sddm kde s default in debian probably heavier or as heavy as gdm3 terminal xterm foot one of the biggest question mark in this transition was what to do about xterm after writing two articles about terminal emulators as a professional journalist decades of working on the terminal and probably using dozens of different terminal emulators i m still not happy with any of them this is such a big topic that i actually have an entire blog post specifically about this for starters using xterm under xwayland works well enough although the font scaling makes things look a bit too fuzzy i have also tried foot it just works fonts are much crisper than xterm and emacs urls are not clickable but the url selector control shift u is just plain awesome think vimperator for the terminal there s cool hack to jump between prompts copy paste works true colors work the word wrapping is excellent it doesn t lose one byte emojis are nicely sized and colored font resize works there s even scroll back search control shift r foot went from a question mark to being a reason to switch to wayland just for this little goodie which says a lot about the quality of that software the selection clicks are a not quite what i would expect though in rxvt and others you have the following patterns single click reset selection or drag to select double select word triple select quotes or line quadruple select line i particularly find the select quotes bit useful it seems like foot just supports double and triple clicks with word and line selected you can select a rectangle with control it correctly extends the selection word wise with right click if double click was first used one major problem with foot is that it s a new terminal with its own termcap entry support for foot was added to ncurses in the 20210731 release which was shipped after the current debian stable release debian bullseye which ships 6 2 20201114 2 a workaround for this problem is to install the foot terminfo package on the remote host which is available in debian stable this should eventually resolve itself as debian bookworm has a newer version note that some corrections were also shipped in the 20211113 release but that is also shipped in debian bookworm that said i am almost certain i will have to revert back to xterm under xwayland at some point in the future back when i was using gnome terminal it would mostly work for everything until i had to use the serial console on a hp procurve network switch which have a fancy tui that was basically unusable there i fully expect such problems with foot or any other terminal than xterm for that matter the foot wiki has good troubleshooting instructions as well update i did find one tiny thing to improve with foot and it s the default logging level which i found pretty verbose after discussing it with the maintainer on irc i submitted this patch to tweak it which i described like this on mastodon today s reason why i will go to hell when i die trwiwgthwid a 600 word 63 lines commit log for a one line change https codeberg org dnkl foot pulls 1215 it s friday launcher rofi rofi rofi does not support wayland there was a rather disgraceful battle in the pull request that led to the creation of a fork lbonn rofi so it s unclear how that will turn out given how relatively trivial problem space is there is of course a profusion of options tool in debian notes alfred yes general launcher assistant tool bemenu yes bookworm inspired by dmenu cerebro no javascript uh thing dmenu wl no fork of dmenu straight port to wayland fuzzel itp 982140 dmenu drun replacement app icon overlay gmenu no drun replacement with app icons kickoff no dmenu run replacement fuzzy search snappy history copy paste rust krunner yes kde s runner mauncher no dmenu drun replacement math nwg launchers no dmenu drun replacement json config app icons nwg shell project onagre no rofi alfred inspired multiple plugins rust πmenu no dmenu drun rewrite rofi lbonn s fork no see above sirula no desktop based app launcher ulauncher itp 949358 generic launcher like onagre rofi alfred might be overkill tofi yes bookworm dmenu drun replacement c wmenu no fork of dmenu wl but mostly a rewrite wofi yes dmenu drun replacement not actively maintained yofi no dmenu drun replacement rust the above list comes partly from https arewewaylandyet com and awesome wayland it is likely incomplete i have read some good things about bemenu fuzzel and wofi a particularly tricky option is that my rofi password management depends on xdotool for some operations at first i thought this was just going to be thankfully impossible because we actually like the idea that one app cannot send keystrokes to another but it seems there are actually alternatives to this like wtype or ydotool the latter which requires root access wl ime type does that through the input method unstable v2 protocol sample emoji picker but is not packaged in debian as it turns out wtype just works as expected and fixing this was basically a two line patch another alternative not in debian is wofi pass the other problem is that i actually heavily modified rofi i use modis which are not actually implemented in wofi or tofi so i m left with reinventing those wheels from scratch or using the rofi wayland fork it s really too bad that fork isn t being reintegrated for now i m actually still using rofi under xwayland the main downside is that fonts are fuzzy but it otherwise just works note that wlogout could be a partial replacement just for the power menu image viewers geeqie i m not very happy with geeqie in the first place and i suspect the wayland switch will just make add impossible things on top of the things i already find irritating geeqie doesn t support copy pasting images in practice geeqie doesn t seem to work so well under wayland the fonts are fuzzy and the thumbnail preview just doesn t work anymore filed as debian bug 1024092 it seems it also has problems with scaling alternatives gwenview kde viewer in debian koko kde viewer not in debian imv x11 wayland viewer scriptable possible security issues and limited format support in debian mvi mpv based image viewer pix kde mobile viewer not in debian swayimg overlay in debian vimiv vim like keybindings not in debian see also this list and that list for other list of image viewers not necessarily ported to wayland todo pick an alternative to geeqie nomacs would be gorgeous if it wouldn t be basically abandoned upstream no release since 2020 has an unpatched cve 2020 23884 since july 2020 does bad vendoring and is in bad shape in debian 4 minor releases behind so for now i m still grumpily using geeqie media player mpv gmpc sublime this is basically unchanged mpv seems to work fine under wayland better than xorg on my new laptop as mentioned in the introduction and that before the version which improves wayland support significantly by bringing native pipewire support and dma buf support gmpc is more of a problem mainly because it is abandoned see 2022 08 22 gmpc alternatives for the full discussion one of the alternatives there will likely support wayland finally i might just switch to sublime music instead in any case not many changes here thankfully screensaver xsecurelock swaylock i was previously using xss lock and xsecurelock as a screensaver with xscreensaver hacks as a backend for xsecurelock the basic screensaver in sway seems to be built with swayidle and swaylock it s interesting because it s the same split design as xss lock and xsecurelock that unfortunately does not include the fancy hacks provided by xscreensaver and that is unlikely to be implemented upstream other alternatives include gtklock and waylock zig which do not solve that problem either it looks like swaylock plugin a swaylock fork which at least attempts to solve this problem although not directly using the real xscreensaver hacks swaylock effects is another attempt at this but it only adds more effects it doesn t delegate the image display other than that maybe it s time to just let go of those funky animations and just let swaylock do it s thing which is display a static image or just a black screen which is fine by me in the end i am just using swayidle with a configuration based on the systemd integration wiki page but with additional tweaks from this service see the resulting swayidle service file interestingly damjan also has a service for swaylock itself although it s not clear to me what its purpose is screenshot maim grim pubpaste i m a heavy user of maim and a package uploader in debian it looks like the direct replacement to maim and slop is grim and slurp there s also swappy which goes on top of grim and allows preview edit of the resulting image nice touch not in debian though see also awesome wayland screenshots for other alternatives there are many including x11 tools like flameshot that also support wayland one key problem here was that i have my own screenshot pastebin software which will needed an update for wayland as well that thankfully meant actually cleaning up a lot of horrible code that involved calling xterm and xmessage for user interaction now pubpaste uses gtk for prompts and looks much better and before anyone freaks out i already had to use gtk for proper clipboard support so this isn t much of a stretch screen recorder simplescreenrecorder wf recorder in xorg i have used both peek or simplescreenrecorder for screen recordings the former will work in wayland but has no sound support the latter has a fork with wayland support but it is limited and buggy doesn t support recording area selection and has issues with multiple screens it looks like wf recorder will just do everything correctly out of the box including audio support with audio duh it s also packaged in debian one has to wonder how this works while keeping the between app security that wayland promises however would installing such a program make my system less secure many other options are available see the awesome wayland screencasting list rsi workrave nothing workrave has no support for wayland activity watch is a time tracker alternative but is not a rsi watcher kde has rsiwatcher but that s a bit too much on the heavy side for my taste safeeyes looks like an alternative at first but it has many issues under wayland escape doesn t work idle doesn t work it just doesn t work really timekpr next could be an alternative as well and has support for wayland i am also considering just abandoning workrave even if i stick with xorg because it apparently introduces significant latency in the input pipeline and besides i ve developed a pretty unhealthy alert fatigue with workrave i have used the program for so long that my fingers know exactly where to click to dismiss those warnings very effectively it makes my work just more irritating and doesn t fix the fundamental problem i have with computers other apps this is a constantly changing list of course there s a bit of a death by a thousand cuts in migrating to wayland 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