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that they uncover with really horrifying reliability the nature and activity of the jewish people and expose them in their logic and their final aims the sentence the frankfurter zeitung is forever moaning to the people that they are supposed to be a forgery which is the surest proof that they are genuine is the most startling admission of erroneous logic i ve ever heard essentially hitler is stating that the protocols are real because other people are calling them fake nothing can defeat this argument and as was previously mentioned 9 11 truthers are also guilty of this erroneous logic the following quotes are taken from shanksville pa coroner wally miller who assisted in the clean up of the debris of flight 93 i stopped being a coroner after about 20 minutes because there were not bodies there i have not to this day seen a single drop of blood not a drop these quotes certainly appear damning to the official account but as is so often the case the suspicion disappears when the truth is revealed in the following article it s clear miller was talking about the devastation of the plane impacts the bodies were vaporized and discovering remains was difficult this is why a single drop of blood was not found here is a portion of the article the fbi has mandated dna testing to confirm the identities of remains a process just beginning that miller said could take four to six months but using mostly dental records miller and staff have identified remains of 12 passengers a number that the coroner said might grow with last weekend s recovery of additional remains http www postgazette com headlines 20011003crash1003p3 asp in another article usnews paraphrases miller as stating all that debris and the fact that only 8 percent of the human remains could be recovered mean the site is essentially a cemetery then they quote miller directly the real story is about what those people did deciding to rush the terrorists and sell everyone else on the idea says miller who spent weeks crawling around on his hands and knees searching for remains and would rather talk about anything else where it landed is not what matters the most important thing is that they be properly remembered http www usnews com usnews 9_11 articles 911shanksville htm and as if that weren t enough miller himself has denied the credibility of the quotes truther s have sworn by a funny thing happens in the minds of truther s despite the facts their theory remains safe in fact wally miller s denial of the validity of their claims further proves the conspiracy theory just like hitler truther s make their argument impervious to falsification by using denial as further evidence of the theory many truther s probably subconsciously realize that if they were to admit that they take wally miller s quote out of context then a large portion of their theory crumbles thus instead of face the reality that flight 93 crashed in shanksville pa and the bodies were mostly vaporized truthers deny miller s claim as sincere and their theory remains safe remove all bias be objective and analyze what remains the objective fact is that articles exist in which miller actually validates the very theory which truthers oppose it is only by selecting certain parts of miller s words which appears to substantiate their claims truther s claims rest on the same precarious ground as the salem witch trials the red scare and the nazi regime history does indeed repeat itself and it s thanks to irrational thinking posted in 9 11 skepticism tagged 9 11 9 11 truth movement conspiracy theories skepticism 10 comments 9 11 special pleading posted on november 23 2010 by curiousplumber88 a common logical fallacy amongst the 9 11 truth movement is called special pleading to explain this concept i summon carl sagan and his definition of special pleading found in his book the demon haunted world special pleading often to rescue a proposition in deep rhetorical trouble e g how can a merciful god condemn future generations to torment because against orders one woman induced one man to eat an apple special plead you don t understand the subtle doctrine of free will or how can there be an equally godlike father son and holy ghost in the same person special plead you don t understand the divine mystery of the trinity or how could god permit the followers of judaism christianity and islam each in their own way enjoined to heroic measures of loving kindness and compassion to have perpetrated so much cruelty for so long special plead you don t understand free will again and anyway god moves in mysterious ways so how can this notion be applied to the 9 11 truth movement the following is a common example of special pleading e g how can the govt continue to conceal the conspiracy if literally thousands of people were involved special plead you don t understand the concept of compartmentalization within the government this argument is special pleading because it avoids having to answer the real problem namely that even with compartmentalization there still remain thousands of people who have to remain silent lets take the people who set up the demolition charges for instance if they were only given instructions to set charges and nothing else then i find it a little odd that not a single one of them has come forward with this information the notion of compartmentalization fails when we realize that if one link in the chain fails then the entire conspiracy fails compartmentalization is a very real thing but the problem with applying it to 9 11 is the scope of it is too large as the example in the preceding paragraph proved the people involved with the set up of charges in the twin towers now realize precisely why they were not told any more information those same people who wired the buildings for destruction have watched the videos of the collapses and barring an inconceivable amount of idiocy now realize the larger scope of the plan compartmentalization fails posted in 9 11 skepticism tagged 9 11 9 11 conspiracy theories skepticism 6 comments quote mines creationism and the 9 11 truth movement posted on november 11 2010 by curiousplumber88 over time i have come to find numerous similarities between creationists and the 9 11 truth movement one of the most glaring problems with both groups is the use of quote mining otherwise known as selecting sections of a quote that seem to support the opposing viewpoint when in reality it supports the other viewpoint the most famous example of quote mining within the creationist movement is the following from charles darwin s the origin of the species to suppose that the eye with all its inimitable contrivances for adjusting the focus to different distances for admitting different amounts of light and for the correction of spherical and chromatic aberration could have been formed by natural selection seems i freely confess absurd in the highest degree taken alone this quote seems like damning evidence against proponents of evolution here we have the man responsible for the theory of evolution and natural selection apparently having a hard time coming to grips with his own theory however further reading of the origin of the species shows the above quote is not only deceptive it is downright contemptible here are darwin s actual words to suppose that the eye with all its inimitable contrivances for adjusting the focus to different distances for admitting different amounts of light and for the correction of spherical and chromatic aberration could have been formed by natural selection seems i freely confess absurd in the highest degree when it was first said that the sun stood still and the world turned round the common sense of mankind declared the doctrine false but the old saying of vox populi vox dex as every philosopher knows cannot be trusted in science reason tells me that if numerous gradations from a simple and imperfect eye to one complex and perfect can be shown to exist each grade being useful to its possessor as is certain the case if further the eye ever varies and the variations be inherited as is likewise certainly the case and if such variations should be useful to any animal under changing conditions of life then the difficulty of believing that a perfect and complex eye could be formed by natural selection should not be considered as subversive of the theory darwin then goes on to point out all these small gradations across the animal kingdom helping to establish the theory of evolution the truth movement is also fond of removing parts of quotes that contradict their viewpoint here are a couple examples the following is from danielle o brien an air traffic controller who was on duty on 9 11 the speed the maneuverability the way that he turned we all thought that it was a military plane the full quote is this the speed the maneuverability the way that he turned we all thought in the radar room all of us experienced air traffic controllers that that was a military plane o brien said you don t fly a 757 in that manner it s unsafe it s obvious after reading the full quote that o brien was talking about how the 757 was being flown in an unsafe manner she did not say that it was a military plane only that the manner in which it was moving was reminiscent of a military plane firefighter craig carlsen is often quoted as saying the following you just heard explosions coming from building two the south tower it seemed like it took forever but there were about ten explosions at the time i didn t realize what it was now here is the full quote you just heard explosions coming from building two the south tower it seemed like it took forever but there were about ten explosions at the time i didn t realize what it was we realized later after talking and finding out that it was the floors collapsing to where the plane had hit it does not matter if creationists and 9 11 truthers are deliberately removing the contradictory sections of quotes or if they are simply ignorant of the true intent of the quote either way the fact that quote mining is a persistent problem in both movements shows that the truth which they seek to establish is erroneous because it is filled with incompetent research creationists and the 9 11 truth movement undermine their own efforts to find the truth by either deliberately or unwillingly ignoring and denying contradictory evidence the fact that creationists and truthers use misleading quotes to support their theories lessens their credibility delusion is defined as a fixed false belief that is resistant to reason or confrontation with actual fact some synonyms for delusion include deception blunder mistake misconception error and fallacy because creationists and truthers rely on provably false quotations their beliefs can only be described as delusional posted in 9 11 creationism tagged 9 11 truth conspiracy theories creationism pseudoscience quote mine skepticism 15 comments 9 11 theories fell into its own footprint posted on october 24 2010 by curiousplumber88 the twin towers did not fall into their own footprints and neither did wtc7 this is not a matter of opinion but a stone cold fact and i like facts so what exactly does it mean for a building to fall into its own footprint well it s a demolition term which describes creating an implosion to destroy a building so it does not damage other buildings surrounding it many truthers are fond of calling the destruction of the two towers implosions and claiming that the two buildings fell into their own footprint yet in the same breath they will claim that it is impossible for much of the debris to be ejected out from the collapse without the aid of explosives so which is it an implosion or an explosion apparently it s both and when a person holds an irrational belief accepting two contrary ideas is incredibly easy the following video shows just how much damage wtc1 and 2 did to surrounding buildings including wtc7 it also has a good explanation though slightly outdated as its creator indicates of wtc7 s collapse along with some spooky music the video does a good job of explaining wtc7 s collapse even though it is harder to explain and certainly misleading we ll address the controlled demolition theory more fully another time for now let s see if wtc7 fell straight down onto its own footprint here is richard gage a proponent of controlled demolition with his take on its collapse gage s presentation certainly seems convincing however like many truther claims they are misleading whether they are deliberate or not the following video demolishes the myths of the collapses of the towers the video points that wtc7 did not fall into its own footprint because it damaged the verizon building and 30 w broadway also if there were any explosions planted in wtc7 they were conspicuously quiet compared with other demolitions gage s unwillingness to even address this issue is telling either he is ignorant of the damage that wtc7 did to surrounding buildings or he is willingly withholding that information during his presentations whatever the case it doesn t help gage s credibility or the 9 11 truth movement since many truthers have difficulty discerning the truth i ll do it for them the truth is the twin towers and wtc7 did not fall into their own footprints and the sooner truthers realize this the sooner a rational discussion can take place posted in 9 11 tagged 9 11 conspiracy theories 9 11 truth 9 11 truth movement critical thinking pseudoscience reason science skepticism 77 comments 9 11 conspiracy theories doublethink posted on october 22 2010 by curiousplumber88 the one consistency 9 11 truth members are guilty of is using inconsistent logic to break it into simple terms inconsistent logic is adhering to two contrary beliefs and making them fit into one unified theory george orwell said it best in a fairly popular novel entitled 1984 doublethink it is called is described as such the power of holding two contradictory beliefs in one s mind simultaneously and accepting both of them to tell deliberate lies while genuinely believing in them to forget any fact that has become inconvenient and then when it becomes necessary again to draw it back from oblivion for just so long as it is needed to deny the existence of objective reality and all the while to take account of the reality which one denies all this is indispensably necessary even in using the word doublethink it is necessary to exercise doublethink for by using the word one admits that one is tampering with reality by a fresh act of doublethink one erases this knowledge and so on indefinitely with the lie always one leap ahead of the truth as orwell describes the real problem with doublethink is that it becomes an infinite loop of denial when someone is close to breaking free from it they persist in denial because it s less damaging to their beliefs in the popular film loose change the phrase military precision is used to describe the government s meticulous planning 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