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se he gave me his old machine with a password on it so i just keep everything the same for convenience step 1 terminal sudo chown bryan var www step 2 having given myself rights with that above chown command i should be able to create folders withing var www e g var www proj1 and then invoke the 1st pg of the application by typing into the browser localhost proj1 report html i shall test this and place the exercises from head first php mysql into a folder var www proj1 and see if the exercise works the only question that remains in my mind is whether the exercise pages will work unchanges honoring var www proj1 as the root or whether i need to issue some other command to make proj1 the default directory or whether i have to hard code paths into all the exercise pages which if i do would kind of defeat the purpose of developing a project in a folder and then transparently moving it to some other location what follows is the raw text from the irc channel where i asked my questions i sorted through it to come up with the above step by step procedure to achieve my goals the steps work and here is my email feedback to the person that gave me the valuable guidance you saved me hours of grief and made it possible for me to now make rapid progress with my head first book and yes i want to pay 60 for the paperback because i want to be able to take it in the bathroom or on the subway i want to really let all this php mysql stuff sink in and become second nature for the simple reason that i am sick and tired of years of bondage to micr0 oft and products like access or worse visual foxpro which they finally dropped as a supported product i figure that php mysql apache is the best choice for me because i can kind of understand whats going on and there is tons of documentation to make it work but forum and irc support like your excellent patient help you are correct that you did tell me what i need to know but you did not realize that as a beginner i cannot recognize the right answer until certain concepts sink in once i did the chown trick you showed me then i could navigate with the gui to var www and create a folder proj1 then i could navigate to my desktop to a folder where i put two of the head first exercises but with the word test inserted in each field so i would know that it was these executing and that i was not somehow executing the same original pages in var www now i could not get desktop testwww report html to run and then correctly post with report php and see the added record in the mysql database with phpmyadmin but as soon as it dawned upon me the simple steps you were saying i copied to cloned files to var www proj1 went to my folder and entered localhost report html actually saw the cloned version come up with test prefixed to each field i entered data prefixed by test so i would see it in the mysql table pressed submit and bingo when i did localhost phpmyadmin and signed in there was the new record in the sql table so you see for a beginner the head first book leaves out a very important concept about creating folders for projects in var www and doing the chown trick once up front to allow access thanks and as you will notice from my blog when i asked the same question in irc last week someone thought that i wanted to do that http www debian administration org articles 412 complex business which was correct if i wanted to access separate projects from some remote client but unnecessary for my simple desktop purposes and here is the raw irc chat to illustrate what a beginner may have to do to sort out the proper answers from a technically savvy person trying to help i am trying to set up several websites on my desktop ubuntu under apache 2 and i have a detailed tutorial but it says i need my ip address but sudo ipconfig gives me an internal and whatismyip com gives me an external any clues as to which is required thanks 04 08 williambuell what ip address where do you want to reach them from the answer as it turns out which i did not make clear to the irc channel is that i only want to make this stuff work from my desktop not from some remote client on the internet which might require some ip address 04 08 thanks i am following this excellent tutorial on apache2 multiple sites http www debian administration org articles 412 04 09 i have ubuntu desktop with lamp installed but can only get php pages to work in var www 04 09 i want to be able to have several projects i e home proj1 04 09 williambuell that s where they should go 04 09 why not put them in var www this turns out to be an excellent question 04 10 the tutorial mentions ip address but does not indicate whether it is external from whatismyip com or local from sudo ifconfig 04 10 because i would need a different name for each html and php page 04 10 williambuell where are you trying to access them from you shouldn t need an ip address at all most likely 04 11 suppose i am following several tutorials with several pages with same name they cannot both be in var www 04 11 why not var www proj1 var www proj2 04 11 and i dont know how to access some search path that would support var www proj1 04 12 or does apache2 lamp automatically honor any folder within www 04 12 yes automatically http localhost folder above is the key concept that i needed 04 12 and if so i am total beginner aha localhost folder seems to make sense to me 04 13 next question in terminal does it matter how i create those folders i mean do i have to be sudo or root 04 13 do permissions matter 04 13 what would the proper command be to create the folder in var www would it be mkdir home www www example com 04 14 with sudo mkdir home www www example com 04 14 except it would be sudo mkdir var www www example com 04 14 if i follow along with this one tutorial 04 15 but that tutorial is talking about multiplenamehost 04 15 williambuell you can cheat and do sudo chown user var www the above is the other key concept that i require and if it works then i can navigate in a gui file folder system and create project folders at will without fussing with sudo permissions 04 15 it sounds like you are saying if i simply create a folder in var www proj1 that it will work from localhost proj1 04 15 williambuell only on a desktop though 04 16 williambuell correct 04 16 i am a 60 year old total beginner so i dont need hints like you can cheat i am truly lost 04 17 so i should say from terminal sudo chown bryan var www but how do i make the folder proj1 04 17 i mean the chown command is changing rights or something 04 17 chown changes the ownership of the file 04 17 nothing else 04 17 williambuell oh one you own the folder you can go into var www and make whatever you want 04 18 in other words from terminal what is the command to correctly creat var www proj1 with all the proper user rights for apache2 to work 04 18 but whenever i go into var www it doesnt let me do stuff i dont think unless i am root admin 04 18 williambuell the support here is not too great might want to try a support channel 04 18 williambuell yeah that s why i suggested owning the folder 04 18 yeah but you guys know this like the back of your hand 04 19 once you do that you can mkdir in var www all you wnat 04 19 and you just cant give a beginner the command to create the folder 04 19 williambuell if we did we would have told you straight away 04 19 so you say create the folder and then use chown to change ownership 04 19 and then everything will be honkey dory ok 04 19 williambuell no chown var www then you can create all the folders you want without sudo 04 21 ok so sudo chown bryan var www gives me the rights then i should be able to navigate with the gui and create proj1 04 21 williambuell yep 04 21 aha now that is making sense to this beginner brain 04 22 and i wont need to mess with that other tutorial 04 22 since i only want stuff to work locally 04 22 williambuell right no apache configs 04 23 but second question if i make a bunch of php html pages in var www proj1 do i need explicit paths to the other pages or will they default to that local directory 04 23 and is there some command i need to issue to make var www proj1 a local directory for that session 04 23 williambuell not sure i m following 04 23 williambuell not sure you re sure what you re asking 04 24 http localhost basically loads what s in var www 04 24 ok you are telling me if i do all this then from browser i type localhost proj1 report html and it comes up 04 24 yep 04 24 but inside report html it is going to post to report php 04 24 if you have var www proj1 report html 04 24 yeah default is current folder 04 24 but it will know enough to look in var www proj1 without 04 25 well it looks in http localhost proj1 report php 04 25 or rather posts to 04 25 aha and the very act of launching the project as localhost proj1 is sufficient to make that the local directory for the entier project session 04 25 which should correspond to var www proj1 report php 04 25 if so that makes sense 04 25 williambuell not sure you quite get url vs local path 04 25 it s not for the session 04 25 in other words i dont have to hard code specific addresses in each html and php 04 26 that s just how it it 04 26 williambuell that you have to do 04 26 i want to develop something in var www proj1 test it but have it work if i move it somewhere else 04 26 williambuell why not just have a php file 04 26 why have anything html 04 26 well i dont know enough to understand your hint 04 26 williambuell a php file can have html and php in it 04 27 because the tutorial book i am following starts with report html posting with report php but now i see what you are saying 04 27 williambuell what book 04 27 but php or html is not germain to my path question at hand 04 27 it is a great book called head first php mysql which leads you step by step including cookie sessions 04 28 i have in my blog links to the book 04 28 i am buying the book for 60 tomorrow and i already downloaded a zip file of all the source code exercises from the publisher 04 29 williambuell do you have any programming background and are you interested in mysql 04 29 i started programming in 1979 through the 1980s with stuff like cobol rpg then basic then pick 04 29 williambuell btw you know you can get it as an ebook for 36 04 29 i am not a moron 04 30 i just have some simple questions which in reality have very simple answers but getting straight answers from techie types is like pulling teeth 04 31 williambuell do you like head first series tags apache head first multiplenamehost mysql o reilly php var www posted in apache irc mysql php programming software tutorial ubuntu wubi leave a comment ubuntu irc please review correct this script november 25 2009 if you are curious to visit the irc channel visit here first https wiki ubuntu com ircguidelines thanks for visiting from irc ubuntu offtopic i am a beginner with linux ubuntu and i want a simple means to back up my system occasionally i found a tar command at the following link http ubuntuforums org showthread php t 35087 i tried it once and it seemed to work except i had some trouble getting rights to access the file in root i think that the following commands will work for me without hurting my install i did do some things with sudo nautilus and a var backup folder which i believe crashed my whole ubuntu system and i had to spend 7 hours re installing it which you may read about at this blog so i really need someone who is experienced in linux and script bash commands to look at this and tell me if there is any danger i did get the tar command which you see below to work once and i managed to copy it to a dvd i put the dvd in my second computer which is a wubi ubuntu install on top of windows and it was able to open the tar browse the folders and extract some files from desktop i would also appreciate the correct command to safely delete backup tgz from root thanks for looking and commenting enter terminal sudo su tar cvpzf backup tgz exclude proc exclude lost found exclude backup tgz exclude mnt exclude sys exclude media sudo cd sudo chmod 777 backup tgz sudo cp p backup tgz home bryan desktop mytestfolder 1 i would also appreciate the correct command to safely delete backup tgz from root 2 sudo rm backup tgz 3 4 thanks for looking and commenting 5 6 enter terminal 7 8 sudo su 9 this is silly for two reasons first sudo i is preferable to sudo su second rather than putting sudo on every line of the script just run the script itself with sudo 10 11 this will work but using v verbose doesn t really add value with this huge of a data set and significantly impairs performance the terminal can t keep up so i d probably drop it 12 tar cvpzf backup tgz exclude proc exclude lost found exclude backup tgz exclude mnt exclude sys exclude media 13 note that you are not specifying a target directory for backup tgz to end up in here as you ve noticed it s helpful to have it somewhere that you re not backing up to avoid recursion 14 15 sudo cd 16 17 sudo chmod 777 backup tgz 18 19 sudo cp p backup tgz home bryan desktop mytestfolder 20 21 22 thus my recommendations 23 24 bin bash 25 tar cpzf backup tgz exclude proc exclude lost found exclude backup tgz exclude mnt exclude sys exclude media 26 chmod 755 backup tgz 27 ln s backup tgz home bryan desktop mytestfolder 28 29 save as mybackupscript sh 30 chmod x mybackupscript sh 31 run with 32 sudo mybackupscript sh tonyyarusso one quick question what does this last line do ln s backup tgz home bryan desktop mytestfolder 02 07 what is ln s 02 07 williambuell create a symbolic link 02 07 williambuell it creates a symbolic link 02 07 symlink 02 08 williambuell it makes a pointer of sorts in your home directory to the real file rather than copying it all over 02 08 and ok ln symbolic link how is that useful 02 08 can reach data 2 ways but only have it exist on disk once 02 08 so you are saying that when i mount a dvd and go to file manager i will see the tar in that folder but it is really the symbolic link and i may freely copy it to the dvd 02 08 so if you dont want to type a really really long path you can have a shortcut 02 08 williambuell half the disk space usage and less time 02 08 williambuell yup 02 09 wow thanks now it all makes sense 02 09 there are also hardlinks ln without the s 02 09 what is difference between hard and soft link 02 09 symlinks point to a path to the data so they can point to things on other disks partitions media hardlink vs symlink 02 19 williambuell i thought you wanted it in that folder for some kind of convenience it s certainly not necessary 02 19 oh ok i am just scared to death of root since my crash 02 19 the script can go wherever you like many people like to create home bryan bin for such things but it doesn t matter 02 20 so sudo mybackupscript sh will search until it finds that file wherever it is even on desktop 02 20 no 02 20 it will be the current working directory whatever that is 02 21 oh ok 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