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be added as an informative template to any pre 1998 photograph which might be of interest for brazilians people it was first published before 1 march 1989 without copyright notice or before 1964 without copyright renewal or before the source country established copyright relations with the united states the brazilian part of the template only requires that the photograph was created before 19 june 1998 but now we suddenly need publication before 1 march 1989 and there are also conditions concerning copyright formalities this makes the template confusing it was in the public domain in its home country brazil on the uraa date 1 january 1996 here it says that brazil is the source country but this is not a requirement in the brazilian part of the template i suggest removing the statements about the united states and requiring a united states copyright template in all cases after the united states dropped the renewal requirement it became very easy to satisfy the copyright formalities and after the copyright notice requirement was dropped all photographs fail com sc it gets even more confusing if the template is used alongside source united states templates for non brazilian photos of relevance for brazilian people stefan2 talk 20 15 28 july 2026 utc reply well if the first publication was in 2026 on commons then usa will be the source country and the image would be copyrighted until 2062 ruslik talk 20 19 29 july 2026 utc reply may i add these portraits edit latest comment 5 days ago 3 comments 3 people in discussion hi may i add portraits of móric pálfi paulína pálfiová and jozef pálfi from https www smolenice com 22260 kaplnka sv vendelina s palfiovskou hrobkou bakjb talk 12 02 28 july 2026 utc reply we need more information who took the photographs if you know who the photographer was and he died before 1956 then it is ok to add the portraits concerned if you do not know who took the portraits and they were not published until 70 years had passed since they were taken then it is ok if you do not know who took the photographs and they were published published within 70 years of being taken then you must wait for 70 years after they were published in summary you should contact the smolenice municipality and find out who took the photographs when the photographer died when they were taken and when they were first published you should also read this page martinvl talk 15 58 28 july 2026 utc reply might not be necessary unless slovakia has some protection after first publication clause in case of móric pálfi 1812 1897 and paulína pálfiová rod wilczeková 1829 1894 any photo of them was taken more than 120 years ago so that they are in the public domain per pd old assumed as long as slovakia doesn t offer protection after first publication now as for jozef pálfi 1853 1920 here we would need more information nakonana talk 19 32 28 july 2026 utc reply file the_tales_of_indian s_eco_heroes png edit latest comment 4 days ago 2 comments 2 people in discussion hi all i m not usually on the commons so hopefully i ve found the right place i came across a book jacket file the_tales_of_indian s_eco_heroes png which according to the book website 4 is of a 2026 book with the illustration from 1955 so it seems quite unlikely to be just released to public domain to me i would like to know what s the appropriate course of action now lkl 70547 talk 20 03 28 july 2026 utc reply lkl 70547 user athulkrishnan cg who has exactly one other file upload which is a picture of the author of the book claims to be the copyright holder of both the book cover and the photo of the author and to be releasing both into the public domain that s not unimaginable they could be or represent the publisher but seems unlikely the pictures cannot be found elsewhere on the internet though so i d guess they have some connection to the subject one or another way the right thing to do for both of these is to ask for vrt verification sorry to embroil you in the following as someone not usually on the commons but i ve complained in the past that we do not have a good template for this situation i ve seen other users mark such files with no permission since but given the uploader s claim to be the copyright holder that template is terribly unclear about what the issue is that we are not convinced that the uploader is the copyright holder so in this case i d start a full blown deletion request which is what i will do here lkl 70547 you can wash your hands of this jmabel talk 23 46 28 july 2026 utc reply ogl3 vs open government licence 3 0 edit latest comment 3 days ago 2 comments 2 people in discussion i just came across open government licence 3 0 i feel like this is the same license as ogl3 but just not as flushed out of a template i am in no way an expert on british law the open government licenses but is there any reason not to make the open government licence 3 0 template redirect to the ogl3 template the one that caused me to stumble on this was file lionesses victory parade 2025 54688338251 jpg elisfkc talk 23 30 28 july 2026 utc reply yes it should be a redirect although the original editor of the first template user rui zhong rachel zhong appears to have intended it as a transport for london or uk ordnance survey version of ogl3 it isn t being used for that purpose the subsequent user user kingsif uploaded several images which might be ogl3 via a different governmental agency thefeds 01 48 30 july 2026 utc reply photo of uscgc midgett wmsl 757 edit latest comment 1 day ago 4 comments 3 people in discussion i would like to upload a photo of the u s coast guard cutter midgett wmsl 757 together with a roc coast guard vessel to wikimedia commons the image was first published by the social media account of the american institute in taiwan managed by the state department and news media later used the same image however the photographer is unknown should this image be tagged as a u s coast guard work a department of state work or another public domain category jamssmith1 talk 05 02 29 july 2026 utc reply is there reason to believe the photo is the work of a u s federal government employee jmabel talk 21 03 29 july 2026 utc reply i can tell you that the image was first published by an official social media account of mission managed by the u s department of state i have not found any earlier publication or any indication that it originated from a third party news reports using the image also cite the official account as the source jamssmith1 talk 22 42 29 july 2026 utc reply could you link to the image it s possible that it s floating around somewhere on dvids which would save us some grief with authorship based5290 talk 02 02 1 august 2026 utc reply pd japan oldphoto and com sc edit latest comment 4 days ago 1 comment 1 person in discussion it has long been considered that pd japan oldphoto is also pd 1996 in us with rare exceptions however photographs that remained unpublished for a long period may still be protected under u s subsisting copyright and is not uncommon for old photographs from private collections i d like to invite someone familiar with u s copyright law to the discussion at template_talk pd japan oldphoto us_copyright_status thanks in advance mzaki talk 12 44 29 july 2026 utc reply newspapers from iran edit latest comment 2 hours ago 16 comments 7 people in discussion hi dalba has uploaded a lot of scans of newspapers from iran with pd iran however it doesn t seem to me that this license is valid dr of one file commons deletion requests file ettelaat13450720 pdf could i get more opinions before creating a mass dr thanks yann talk 13 09 29 july 2026 utc reply are you questioning the validity of the template itself or whether its applicable to dalba s uploads howardcorn33 13 18 29 july 2026 utc reply i think it is not applicable to these files the template itself is fine yann talk 13 33 29 july 2026 utc reply the template states that the copyright expires 30 years after publication for works which belong to a legal person or rights are transferred to a legal person do you believe the copyright to the newspaper does not belong to a legal person howardcorn33 13 39 29 july 2026 utc reply i don t know about iran but usually copyright of a newspaper belongs to the authors unless the articles are anonymous is it different in iran i have never seen such a case where the copyright belongs to the publisher and not to the authors yann talk 15 39 29 july 2026 utc reply a newspaper article is a work for hire in some countries such as the united states the copyright to a work for hire normally belongs to the employer in other countries such as sweden the copyright to a work for hire normally belongs to the employee i don t know what iranian law says about works for hire stefan2 talk 16 47 29 july 2026 utc reply work for hire well it depends very much on the contract between the journalist and the newspaper at least in france even if an article is a work of command the copyright belongs to the author unless it is specified otherwise in the contract this is specifically the case for freelance journalists i think that the case almost anywhere in the world by default the copyright is owned by the author not by the publisher or the employer we already have had this discussion many times always with the same result yann talk 17 03 29 july 2026 utc reply i get the impression that the us and france are pretty much on two extremes of this issue i don t know where iran s copyright law sits but i don t think we can assume one way or the other prosfilaes talk 04 27 30 july 2026 utc reply i am not knowledgeable on iran s copyright law but maybe this part gives a clue in the following cases works fall into the public domain after 30 years from the date of publication or public presentation article 16 in cases where the work belongs to a legal person or rights are transferred to a legal person journalism businesses are typically legal persons as a work for hire france may be an exception these works usually belong to the legal person bedivere talk 18 32 30 july 2026 utc reply there is also the u s side of this because iran is not a member of the berne convention there has been no uraa restoration so for any works on or before 28 february 1989 barring the unlikely case where someone went through u s copyright formalities the work is public domain in the u s so no problem there however iranian works from 1 march 1989 onward would still be copyrighted in the u s even if they have now lost copyright in iran so we can really only use this on commons for works published on or before 28 february 1989 or am i wrong about that and does first publication in a non berne country somehow lose u s copyright for more recent works jmabel talk 21 10 29 july 2026 utc reply if a country doesn t have copyright relations with the us then a work by their nationals published on their territory doesn t have copyright protection in the us there s other ways besides berne wto countries have copyright protection in the us there s a lot of other theoretical ways like bilateral treaties and ucc but outside cases where a now independent state may or may not be honoring previous agreements all states with copyright relations with the us are members of berne or the wto https www copyright gov circs circ38a pdf also lists the marrakesh treaty to facilitate access to published works for persons who are blind visually impaired or otherwise print disabled which iraq and the marshall islands have signed as the only copyright treaty i have no idea if that has an impact on anything said document lists all the us copyright treaties and includes the relevant law as well prosfilaes talk 04 20 30 july 2026 utc reply iran not being a member of the berne convention comes with other traps if the author is not an iranian citizen the source country is the country of citizenship or residence of the author for example on page 7 of file ettelaat13450720 pdf there is an advertisement for traktoroexport a soviet company so there is a plausible reason to assume that the advertisement was created in part or in full by soviet citizens living in the soviet union the text might have been written by someone in iran or written in the ussr and translated in iran who knows but what about the photos for our purposes the soviet union being the source country would mean that we need to ensure that the copyright has expired in russia and also that the advertisement was in the public domain in russia when the copyright to russian works was restored in the united states there s bound to be lots of traps like this in iranian newspapers where some contributions to the newspapers are made by foreign citizens or foreign residents such as advertisements for foreign countries or photographs taken abroad even an article by an iranian journalist stationed outside iran might count as a work from the country where the journalist is stationed stefan2 talk 09 26 30 july 2026 utc reply yeah dotting i s and crossing t s here is going to be a lot of work prosfilaes talk 02 18 31 july 2026 utc reply prosfilaes i m trying to understand how this works let s say an artist in iran paints a picture but does not publish it does that mean it doesn t have the normal protection that the u s gives and unpublished work or do they have that initially but lose it if their work is published in an iranian magazine and what if that iranian citizen is living in france would their unpublished work be protected on the basis of residence rather than citizenship i find this all very confusing jmabel talk 18 24 30 july 2026 utc reply the legal phrasing is in the document i linked above unpublished works are always subject to protection published works are protected if on the date of first publication one or more of the authors is a national or domiciliary of the united states or is a national domiciliary or sovereign authority of a treaty party or is a stateless person wherever that person may be domiciled or the work is first published in the united states or in a foreign nation that on the date of first publication is a treaty party a work that is published in the united states or a treaty party within 30 days after publication in a foreign nation that is not a treaty party shall be considered to be first published in the united states or such treaty party as the case may be so pretty much only works by iranian authors living in iran published only in iran are not copyrighted in the us prosfilaes talk 01 57 31 july 2026 utc reply authors from non berne countries were always able to initially publish their work in a berne country and get protection under the convention that way the country of origin is that first country of publication not necessarily where the author is from or lives the u s explicitly protects unpublished works from anywhere by anyone as mentioned until they are published it is only then that nationality related questions can be 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