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xplanation which might be offered in terms of a western resistance to images of the divine and one which was followed after justinian s death in all quarters indeed the discussion here circled somewhat around who this message might be for the world of islam or the coin using public and who they might be all of which sadly the coins don t really tell us ancient ruins at the modern city of sidi jdidi tunisia one of the sites under discussion in ms keane s paper the final part of the symposium was a closing address by professor redford who somewhat unconventionally started by asking the organisers why they d picked this theme with that answered he pointed out gaps and strengths in the programme and its adherence to the theme but reassured everyone that the centre of byzantine ottoman and modern greek studies was still showing a flag for the value of study clusters like it and the day closed with pretty much everyone much satisfied by how things had gone 1 m perisanidi should we abstain spousal equality in twelfth century byzantine canon law in gender and history vol 28 oxford 2016 pp 422 443 2 again memory failure i own this text at least in translation you can find it in janet hamilton and bernard hamilton edd transl christian dualist heresies in the byzantine world c 650 c 1450 selected sources manchester 1998 pp 65 91 3 for example anna leone changing townscapes in north africa from late antiquity to the arab conquest bari 2007 and aïcha ben abed ben khader michel fixot michel bonifay sylvestre roucole sidi jdidi i la basilique sud collection de l école française de rome 339 rome 2004 52 584068 2 154497 leave a comment posted in byzantium institutions islamic crescent numismatics tagged africa anna kelley art history barber institute birmingham bulgaria carl dixon catherine keane cbomgs coinage conferences cotton egypt empire of nic aeig a heresy james hill john v palaeologos maria vrij maroula perisanidi medieval church medieval marriage mike saxby mongols nafsika vassilopolou paulicians scott redford sex sicily turks seminar ccxxxix medieval fragments of the father of history posted on 4 august 2016 6 comments my pile of unreported notes makes it look as if by the time i returned from kalamazoo last year i was very firmly in the conference season and there s a good deal of that coming but there was a brief interlude into which one seminar at the institute of historical research fitted on 20th may 2015 when professor scott bruce was addressing the earlier middle ages seminar with the title the dark age of herodotus shards of a fugitive history in medieval europe this was the only ihr paper of the summer term to which i was able to go and i picked a good one not least because of how extremely elegantly it was delivered but also because of the enigma it set out to explore the river ganges at benares in the nineteenth century by which time other tactics of control had been adopted from those described below photo from a v williams jackson ed history of india volume ix historic accounts of india by foreign travellers classic oriental and occidental ed a v w jackson london 1907 p 6 this enigma can be phrased very simply we think we know that the ancient greek historian herodotus was not known in the middle ages so how come abbot peter the venerable of cluny can be found using one of his stories about king cyrus of persia dividing up the river ganges after it drowned one of his soldiers peter was not the only person using this story either as google quickly reveals the simple answer might be that many classical texts were copied in the middle ages and we ve just missed one but no one mentions herodotus in latin between the fifth and fifteenth centuries that professor bruce has been able to find although the so called father of history was much better known in the greek speaking world a lost manuscript of the histories kicking about somewhere probably still ought to be obvious to us in citation instead herodotus seems to have dropped out of the canon as being too pagan and unlike plato or virgil or more obviously josephus could not be wrestled into a framework that made him somehow a precursor or vehicle of the christian truth later to be revealed you gotta wonder though this bust is supposed to be herodotus and to be a roman copy of a greek original of the fourth century b c it only entered the collections of the museo nazionale di roma where it can even now be seen in the palazzo massimo del terme in 1940 but is apparently known to have been found in the porta metronia area even if all that s reliable we obviously can t tell if it was around to be seen in the middle ages or already buried if it had been though would they have known who it was and really how do we image public domain via wikimedia commons the alternative therefore is that herodotus was circulating unrecognised and in fragments as stories without authors transmitted through more respectably christian or christianised authors by dint of considerable labours professor bruce had found two such stories in western contexts and this one travels in orosius s seven books of histories against the pagans where it is of course serving as an example of pagan stupidity but also in the much earlier seneca whose treatise on anger seems likely to have been abbot peter s source in this case this all made a really good example of how knowledge was transmitted in the middle ages excerpted carried around in mental baggage passed through filters and denuded of its context as professor bruce pointed out in discussion seneca doesn t cite herodotus as his source for the story about cyrus neither does orosius and he may not even have known but given that there s no way that abbot peter could have known the origin of the story he was using manuscript illustration of peter the venerable transmitting his knowledge from paris bibliothèque nationale de france ms latin 17716 public domain via wikimedia commons many people were able to throw in other examples of transmission of such shards of history and knowledge through their favourite sources the learned late antique equivalent of urban legends as a sign of the way in which giving such a paper can be both a revelation and a danger in the electronic age in discussion simon corcoran managed to find an example of josephus whose antiquities were widely used in the medieval period using herodotus again without citation but recognised by his modern editors by virtue of knowing where to look and having an internet enabled tablet handy while people were talking thus another possible transmission route for investigation was opened up in two minutes searching as professor bruce had already concluded there is a lot more to be done about how people came to know things in the middle ages once we start looking down at this level where their information was actually moving but for any that might not have believed that this paper certainly showed it 53 799461 1 600789 6 comments posted in 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