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ae there is one though it s in catalan and i ve never seen it by ramon planes called mir geribert príncep d olèrdola and that you probably found out for yourself but maybe you can t easily get hold of it 2 so i recommend that you instead try and find pierre bonnassie s magnum opus la catalogne and soak up the account of the baronial revolt in vol 2 3 yes it is in french but i m afraid in this particular corner of europe there really aren t any english options there comes a point where you have to try reading something else 1 s kelly anglo saxon lay society and the written word in r mckitterick ed the uses of literacy in early mediaeval europe cambridge cup 1990 pp 36 62 2 r planes mir geribert príncep d olèrdola barcelona dalmau 1970 it s only 54 pages 3 p bonnassie la catalogne du milieu du x e à la fin du xi e siècle croissance et mutations d une société toulouse 1975 1976 2 vols ii pp 625 646 674 680 1 comment posted in uncategorized review ralph turner s magna carta posted on 28 august 2007 leave a comment on monday morning last i found myself putting off getting ready for work by drinking a huge mug of tea listening to pink floyd s interstellar overdrive and reading a translation of magna carta what apart from the fact that it may well be that i could take things more seriously sometimes 1 does this mean for you well it means that i ve finished zipping through magna carta through the ages by ralph v turner which i got as a conference freebie er a couple of years ago now 2 yes yes i know i don t get invited to those sorts of conferences now either and since the first answer to my recent request for blog reader feedback basically said i like spain and reviews and also because i thought the book was an interesting example of a certain kind of history i thought i d spare it a few words the student who wants an in depth study of the reign of king john and the actual issue of magna carta will still need to look elsewhere turner covers this in better than adequate detail and with attention to the big arguments about it but it s not where his interests really lie and the chapters of the book where he covers this are the least referenced and shortest he has after all done it elsewhere as well this time turner isn t really setting out to be a historian of the thirteenth century and his subtitle implies as much there are points where he appears to be being a historian of historians but really this is a work of legal history so the meat really starts once he gets away from 1215 and into what it is that this great charter has meant to people and for what it has been used although i must say that the part of chapter 3 where he makes it clear what clauses were kept in what version of the charter and what was dropped as soon as it could be is really useful and arguably better than the treatment in some of the more accepted works if all you wanted to know was what magna carta said in its various versions this would be the best place to find out his study of henry iii and edward i is quite tight and i found it a nice reacquaintance with some kings i d last studied when i was still at school it leaves me with an impression that turner may not himself be at the cutting edge in this period but he gives the reader the context of the main arguments about the interpretation of each reign in a very clear way students will have no difficulty getting through this i d say the run from edward ii through henry v to the american revolution and the victorians are a bit sketchier turner seems to argue that they can be so because really magna carta only becomes part of current arguments at a few points in these centuries where he studies it closely all the same one of the interesting aspects of the sources he uses is that when the common people are allowed a voice the charter keeps coming up and i d have liked a bit more exploration of this popular idea that magna carta held our liberties rather than just the outcomes of occasional lawyers or politicians trying to prove something with that argument the last two chapters are the most legalistic one handles great britain where turner argues that due to subsequent legislation making it outdated and due to britain s prolonged managing without a written constitution and then adopting the european convention on human rights which became law in the uk in 1998 as us readers may not realise indeed as uk ones may not magna carta has become an irrelevant if famous piece of history now mainly studied to show what king john was doing that got his barons so annoyed the other handles the usa and argues for a far greater involvement of us law with the charter and that magna carta is to a much greater degree fundamental to us law s concepts of liberty and the rights of the individual however anachronistic a view of its provisions that may in fact be i don t know how far i m convinced by this now given that he plots a more or less parallel erosion of the rights and liberties that each country has in its own way guaranteed by a now over mighty executive which has succeeded in persuading its populace not for the first time to accept such restrictions he interestingly points out those champions of liberty abraham lincoln and winston churchill abrogating civil rights in similar ways but then of course the countries were actually under arms and in danger of invasion in this way turner s colours are revealed although he praises maitland s treatment of magna carta for its attempt at objectivity quoting his dictum if history is to do its liberating work it must be as true to fact as it can possibly make itself and true to fact it will not be if it begins to think what lessons it can teach it is clear that turner does not see his own rôle as a mere commentator the final paragraphs of the book save the translation of the 1215 charter in an appendix useful to refer to but more useful if it was mentioned that it was there anywhere in the body text set the parting tone at the beginning of the twenty first century magna carta s great message of limits on government s pursuit of individuals is again unheeded by a power hungry executive just as in thirteenth century and seventeenth century england and in the thirteen colonies in the late eighteenth century in both the united kingdom and the united states fears of war internal subversion and terrorist attack threaten to tip the balance of power within the country enabling the executive power to place itself beyond the law s reach an american president following unmindfully in the footsteps of king john and charles i takes advantage of the people s fears in the face of the threats of terrorist attacks to invade their privacy and curtail their liberties detaining persons indefinitely without specific charges and denying them their right of habeas corpus today at least a few journalists and jurists still stand ready to challenge individuals subjection to arbitrary state power in the name of a war on terrorism and the great charter still affords them a rallying point indeed and at least one historian stands with them it seems not that i have a problem with the ethics but it does recast one s understanding of the purpose of the book and defies that very same dictum of maitland that turner quotes with seeming approval i think that this is a good and useful book but it being willingly bent to serve an ideology does make me think twice before saying so i don t know if others would react the same way but in my guts it seems that history and politics would prefer not to touch each other however strongly i feel about them both 1 i mean why not the original latin why not wish you were here why such frivolity jarrett you ll never get a permanent post with this outlook you know etc etc 2 ralph v turner magna carta through the ages harlow pearson 2003 leave a comment posted in currently reading england solomonic bishops and processional communities posted on 23 august 2007 2 comments that s a subject line i simply can t surpass for pretension but actually having just mentioned catalan parish boundary disputes i thought i d tell you a story i mean enough theory and whingeing we all like stories right that s what we re doing this for so right then basically there is a village called baltarga which in 890 had a church that was owned by archpriest fredarius of the chapter of urgell here is the one they prepared later just across the way is a village called say which is exciting because it s saione in latin and there was a judicial official called a saió so we get to wonder if such a man founded the place whether he did or not though by 890 it belonged to the monastery of sant miquel de cuixà and they had just put a church in there the villagers had up till then always come to church at baltarga but they now had a better church at say and they demanded that the local priest whose name was orderic move his operation there the villagers of baltarga didn t want to trek over to say and abandon their beloved church so they kicked up a fuss and by the late autumn bishop ingobert of urgell had had to come out and settle the dispute 1 ingobert must have fancied himself a solomon as the poor old priest finished up having to do a six month stint in each village with a procession from one to the other on the feast of st john the baptist and back again at christmas and ingobert collected pledges from all the villagers totalling 50 pounds of good gold so that they d stick to it as far as i know this procession does not still happen but i bet it was a big deal while it lasted form your community round that 1 c baraut ed les actes de consagracions d esglesies del bisbat d urgell segles ix xii in urgellia anuari d estudis històrics dels antics comtats de cerdanya urgell i pallars d andorra i la vall d aran vol 1 montserrat 1978 pp 11 182 doc 8 2 comments posted in catalonia seminary ii 1 there is nothing new under the sun posted on 22 august 2007 leave a comment another victor farias chapter in the riquer volume that liverpool were kind enough to spare me for a few weeks by the magic of inter library loan threw up some interesting concepts 1 in discussing parishes in tenth century catalonia he observes that from what we can tell largely from consecration acts and occasional boundary disputes 2 rural churches were centres of small districts even before these were organised as parishes but that these districts aren t conceived of as zones but rather as networks of belongings that is a map of connections rather than territories this was written in 1998 and although farias seems to be relatively unafraid to introduce new thinking undercover in what s a fairly discursive work with very few references which may not be ideal i presume it is at least reasonably established in the circles he moves in but as you may recall it was news to me in may this year when elizabeth zadora rio told it or something very like it to the institute of historical research in all the time i ve been working on catalonia i ve been conscious of a kind of ten year wall i find out about new work mainly through citation and it takes me a while to get hold of it and it s very unusual for something to come to my notice and into my hands that s less than ten years old and actually from catalonia i think i ve got a pretty good handle on the literature up to that point and better than anyone in europe i m likely to have to discuss it with but it all gets a bit sketchy inside a decade and i m always conscious that things could have changed quite a lot and i not know this time however it seems as if i m not the only one i guess this like the fact that royal charters are worth having to people even when they no longer really convey material rights even at time of award is something that is easier to see from a well documented fringe 1 v farias els inicis de l església catalana in b de riquer i permanyer ed història política societat i cultura dels països catalans volum 2 la formació de la societat feudal segles vi xii ed j m salrach i marès barcelona 1998 repr 2001 pp 154 159 161 167 169 173 at pp 167 171 172 2 the consecrations are all published in r ordeig i mata ed les dotalies de les esglésies de catalunya segles ix xii estudis historics diplomatari 1 5 vic 1993 1994 3 vols in 5 leave a comment posted in catalonia currently reading general medieval tagged consecrations networks parishes victor farias hero worship commerce in the dark ages posted on 16 august 2007 9 comments or i can just write about the middle ages and its historians of course one of the papers i have always remembered reading after i first came across it unlike so many which i ve subsequently re read made notes on and gone to my notes catalogue to find i d read before years ago was one of philip grierson s commerce in the dark ages which is available through jstor for those with access from that link 1 at the time it struck me as one of the clearest most common sensical pieces of historiography i d ever read and not that much has challenged it since then though the sense of understanding you get when reading someone who really does get his or her material is still wonderful when i through various routes wound up copy editing medieval european coinage 6 one of the exciting things about that was that i would thus be working on one of professor grierson s projects also as i rapidly discovered that he was somewhat less well these days as in less well at 95 than he had been at 90 when he was still producing scholarly work and than at 80 when he d still been beating undergraduates at squash one of my hopes was that we d be able to cheer him by seeing another of the volumes of this long series to press before too long in the end in fact there wasn t that much time he was already too ill to come into the department and i wound up checking the last few footnotes and references from his personal library with him not there because he d been installed in a nursing home for what would be the last two months of his life i never actually got to meet him and the book still isn t out but that s another story very recently i had cause to pick up the first of his volumes of collected papers dark age numismatics for another paper and was reminded afresh of the existence of commerce in the dark ages because it immediately precedes the one i needed in the volume so i read it again and then i decided i needed to encourage you to it is basically a warning to people who use coin evidence and other goods out of their place as evidence for trade and i can summarise the whole attack of the paper in one extract the most recent work on the economic life of the dark ages takes it for granted that trade and trade alone was responsible for the distribution of goods and coins in the centuries with which it deals such a view is altogether too narrow and prejudges too many issues there are other means whereby goods can pass from hand to hand means which must have played a more conspicuous 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