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t or in full by soviet citizens living in the soviet union the text might have been written by someone in iran or written in the ussr and translated in iran who knows but what about the photos for our purposes the soviet union being the source country would mean that we need to ensure that the copyright has expired in russia and also that the advertisement was in the public domain in russia when the copyright to russian works was restored in the united states there s bound to be lots of traps like this in iranian newspapers where some contributions to the newspapers are made by foreign citizens or foreign residents such as advertisements for foreign countries or photographs taken abroad even an article by an iranian journalist stationed outside iran might count as a work from the country where the journalist is stationed stefan2 talk 09 26 30 july 2026 utc reply yeah dotting i s and crossing t s here is going to be a lot of work prosfilaes talk 02 18 31 july 2026 utc reply prosfilaes i m trying to understand how this works let s say an artist in iran paints a picture but does not publish it does that mean it doesn t have the normal protection that the u s gives and unpublished work or do they have that initially but lose it if their work is published in an iranian magazine and what if that iranian citizen is living in france would their unpublished work be protected on the basis of residence rather than citizenship i find this all very confusing jmabel talk 18 24 30 july 2026 utc reply the legal phrasing is in the document i linked above unpublished works are always subject to protection published works are protected if on the date of first publication one or more of the authors is a national or domiciliary of the united states or is a national domiciliary or sovereign authority of a treaty party or is a stateless person wherever that person may be domiciled or the work is first published in the united states or in a foreign nation that on the date of first publication is a treaty party a work that is published in the united states or a treaty party within 30 days after publication in a foreign nation that is not a treaty party shall be considered to be first published in the united states or such treaty party as the case may be so pretty much only works by iranian authors living in iran published only in iran are not copyrighted in the us prosfilaes talk 01 57 31 july 2026 utc reply authors from non berne countries were always able to initially publish their work in a berne country and get protection under the convention that way the country of origin is that first country of publication not necessarily where the author is from or lives the u s explicitly protects unpublished works from anywhere by anyone as mentioned until they are published it is only then that nationality related questions can be answered this is from 17 usc 104 the works specified by sections 102 and 103 while unpublished are subject to protection under this title without regard to the nationality or domicile of the author once published then you know which country it was published in berne or ucc or other treaty country and where the authors were living at the time again in the u s or a treaty country would have protection if someone is considered stateless at that point they also get protection so in your example the author has u s protection while unpublished of course usually hard to exploit something without publishing it mainly this is preserving their choice of when or how to first publish it they would lose their u s copyright if published in an iranian magazine and they are still living in iran if living in france it is protected because they are a domiciliary of a treaty country france if they lost copyright because they are living in iran and iran and the u s ever become treaty partners then the u s would restore protection provided on the date the treaty becomes effective the work was still protected in iran per the uraa carl lindberg talk 18 07 2 august 2026 utc reply documentation and photographs from polish national institute of cultural heritage edit latest comment 3 days ago 5 comments 4 people in discussion hello recently i ve uploaded some photos from official documentation created by polish national institute of cultural heritage narodowy instytut dziedzictwa all files are now marked for speedy deletion for example file kikół pałac elewacja frontowa jpg photos were taken from official website https zabytek pl all documents look similar for example https zabytek pl pl obiekty g 231821 dokumenty pl 1 9 zipoz nid_n_04_en 333427 1 if you click on the informacje tab there is information about public domain and link to cc0 1 0 license what is a proper way to prove that the files can uploaded to commons pko talk 14 38 29 july 2026 utc reply yann tagged the files for speedy deletion the source link provides https creativecommons org publicdomain zero 1 0 deed pl as license if one clicks on the informacje tab as described above that would be cc zero instead of the currently used pd polish symbol license tag changing the license tag should fix the issue right nakonana talk 20 45 29 july 2026 utc reply so now after adding a proper tag can i remove speedy deletion tag or should i challenge every file for normal deletion pko talk 22 37 29 july 2026 utc reply in this case you can just remove the deletion request and add the license review template instead gpsleo talk 05 42 30 july 2026 utc reply ok dr closed license reviewed yann talk 08 44 30 july 2026 utc reply file z library seizure jpg and de minimis edit latest comment 3 days ago 5 comments 3 people in discussion can anyone with a better understanding of copyright rules explain to me why the pictures displayed on the original upload link had to be removed pixelated by two experienced editors and revdelled the upload is merely a work of the us federal government and not some original composite work of mine wherein i decided myself to use copyrighted photos and even if it were i still would think there isn t a problem would anyone dare say the federal gov t violated copyright laws they had a right to use those images because it was fair use to them and since they were allowed to use those images the images themselves should become de minimis to the whole work would anyone say that in a governmental report that quotes copyrighted material the quoted passages should be excised before it can be uploaded here furthermore another editor in may placed a clear label on this upload before the removal that the copyrighted portions are de minimis so these subsequent two editors are clearly disagreeing with or the first or did not see his de minimis template i therefore ask for clarification if people agree this was an erroneous revision pinging yacàwotçã the squirrel conspiracy who edited the file dreykop talk 18 00 29 july 2026 utc reply no fair use for images within the larger image doesn t somehow magically become de minimis when the larger image is reused but also if it s de minimis then by definition blurring or pixelating it should have no significant effect on the usefulness of the resulting image jmabel talk 21 17 29 july 2026 utc reply the photos were not taken by the us government at least certainly not the selfie with the people that were arrested therefore the photos are not us government works and the copyright is held by the original photographers de minimis is not about the size of the images take in the work it s about prominence and considering that the web page is directing people to look at the photos it s hard to argue they aren t a major focus as for why i did the pixelation i thought that it was a better solution than the crop i only knew about yacàwotçã s prop because i m one of the few admins that remembers to patrol the backlog of old revisions that need to get hidden the squirrel conspiracy talk 21 17 29 july 2026 utc reply fair enough so i now understand it is not de minimis i had understood de minimis to be a matter of whether it s the whole or main part of the work vs a small part of a larger work provided it was legitimately used within that larger work but would this then mean that any governmental report or publication that quotes or displays copyrighted content needs to first have all copyrighted material removed blurred before it can be uploaded to commons because that is no different than this case where the four images are displayed by the government to demonstrate something and i m sure i can go around and find examples of this in government publications here on commons dreykop talk 22 58 29 july 2026 utc reply dreykop typically yes removal or blurring is required unless it is actually de minimis a few examples of things that would be de minimis an out of focus painting in the background a logo on someone s clothing a few seconds of music coming from a passing vehicle in a video as long as the music was not obviously central to the video jmabel talk 03 49 30 july 2026 utc reply am i allowed to scan and upload this photograph dated 1888 edit latest comment 1 day ago 10 comments 2 people in discussion i found this image of the hauptkadettenanstalt with this license click the symbol to the lower right of the image provenance rights landesgeschichtliche vereinigung für die mark brandenburg e v archiv sophus williams cc by and would like to use it at preußische hauptkadettenanstalt the photographer sophus williams died in 1900 i found another one of his photographs on commons with the pd old 100 license template according to williams s german wp page he published series of his own photographs the one of the hauptkadettenanstalt was published in 1888 as part of the series berlin und umgebung berlin and surrounds the print uploaded to museum digital de s website was purchased by them in 2012 below is the google translated text of the german gesetz über urheberrecht und verwandte schutzrechte urheberrechtsgesetz 72 lichtbilder act on copyright and related rights copyright act section 72 photographic works 1 photographs and products produced in a manner similar to photographs are protected in accordance with the provisions of part 1 applicable to photographic works 2 the right under paragraph 1 belongs to the photographer 3 the right under paragraph 1 expires fifty years after the publication of the photograph or if its first authorized public reproduction occurred earlier after such first reproduction but also fifty years after its production if the photograph has not been published or authorized to be publicly reproduced within this period the term is calculated in accordance with section 69 google translation of section 69 69g application of other legal provisions contract law 1 the provisions of this section do not affect the application of other legal provisions to computer programs in particular those concerning the protection of inventions topographies of semiconductor products trademarks and protection against unfair competition including the protection of trade and business secrets or contractual agreements 2 contractual provisions that conflict with 69d subsections 2 3 5 or 7 or with 69e are void section 69 calculation of time limits the time limits under this section commence at the end of the calendar year in which the event determining the start of the time limit occurred i cited the wrong section on the time limits 69g applies to computer programs space4time3continuum2x talk 19 39 30 july 2026 utc reply i assume that the antiquarian bookshop that sold the print to museum digital didn t have a license agreement with williams or his heirs but i m not a lawyer space4time3continuum2x talk 12 43 30 july 2026 utc reply not sure about the german side of this for works that were published only recently but in the u s all ways a work by someone who died in 1900 could currently be copyrighted require that it was first published between 1931 and 2002 inclusive 1931 will move year by year for the next several decades 2002 will not if published before 1931 then it has necessarily passed into the public domain on the basis of publication date 95 years if unpublished on 1 january 2003 when the u s law changed it passed into the u s public domain on the basis of p m a 70 and of course there are other ways that works published in the u s 1931 28 february 1989 could lose copyright through lack of conforming to copyright formalities also works published elsewhere and lacking those formalities regained u s copyright 1 january 1996 or other dates for some countries that joined the berne convention after that which is not relevant for germany only if they were still copyrighted in their country of first publication jmabel talk 18 39 30 july 2026 utc reply part of the inscription on the photograph says photographie und verlag von sophus williams berlin 1888 photograph and publishing by sophus williams berlin 1988 that would mean that under german law the copyright protection expired at the end of 1938 the provenance rights note on the photograph says it s cc by but it seems it needs to which version space4time3continuum2x talk 20 01 30 july 2026 utc reply space4time3continuum2x you wrote 1888 in the german an 1988 in the english translation may i assume the 1988 was just a typo rather than the quoted german original being wrong if the work was published in 1888 by someone who died in 1900 it is simply pd old auto expired 1900 as far as i can tell there cannot possibly be a valid cc license because by the time cc licenses were introduced there was already no one with a valid copyright claim in any country and so no one who could grant such a license when i read your original post i presumed you were asking about photos of his besides the ones that were published in his lifetime since the case was so clear cut for any published within his lifetime reading more closely i see that the print uploaded to museum digital de s website means a print of the same photo that you said was published in 1888 my apologies for not seeing that for copyright purposes the only way it would matter that there were different prints is if they were differently cropped jmabel talk 21 44 30 july 2026 utc reply jmabel thank you for the info my apologies for the typo not the first time i wrote 19 instead of 18 i once wrote that the army of the cumberland commissioned a memorial to civil war general thomas in 1979 by which time the army had long since ceased to exist instead of 1879 didn t notice it until eight days later so i ll make a screenshot of the print upload it with the old auto expired template and use https berlin museum digital de object 116740 as the source is there any special wording for the permission reusing this file part that goes along with the template or do i omit this parameter space4time3continuum2x talk 10 15 31 july 2026 utc reply space4time3continuum2x i assume that by the old auto expired template you mean pd old auto expired the template i referred to it does not have a pa...
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