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cunning strike knock out rogue 14 1 attack target is blinded from cunning strike obscure rogue 14 lasts until the end of target s next turn target is blinded from searing vengeance celestial patron warlock 14 lasts until the end of the current turn level 15 target is prone from earthquake cleric druid sorcerer 8th target is blinded from holy aura cleric 8th target is stunned from power word stun bard sorcerer warlock wizard 8th target is blinded from sunburst cleric druid sorcerer wizard 8th 1 round level 17 attack while affected by foresight lasts for 8 hours bard druid warlock wizard 9th attack while a duplicate from improved duplicity is within 5 ft of the target trickery cleric 17 attack while invisible from your cloak of shadows warrior of shadow monk 17 lasts up to 1 minute under conditions target is affected by your hunter s mark ranger 17 up to 1 hour with concentration target is prone from destructive wave paladin 5th 30 ft emanation sphere con save target is blinded restrained or petrified from prismatic wall bard wizard 9th 1 minute target is restrained or unconscious from imprisonment warlock wizard 9th until dispelled target is stunned from rend mind soulknife rogue 17 1 minute saves every round 2014 legacy use master duelist swashbuckler rogue 17 to reroll with advantage an attack that missed level 19 attack while invisible from the boon of the night spirit epic boon feat 1 action s or bonus action or reaction worth of attacks only magic items attack within the 30 foot radius dim light shed by a candle of invocation very rare attack within 72 hours after drawing a jester on the deck of many things legendary attack your sworn enemy with an oathbow very rare attack elementals while wearing a ring of elemental command legendary attack a creature that dealt damage to you as a reaction with a sword of answering legendary for completion s sake optional rule at the dm s discretion you may roll with advantage when you attack a frightened creature flanking is not an optional rule any more note the number next to classes is class level where the relevant ability is gained the number next to feats is class level required to take it and the number next to spells is spell level e g paladin 2nd is a 2nd lvl spell filed under level 5 when paladins get it originally posted on tumblr posted in rogues in d d and tagged 2024 phb 5 24 5 5 5e 5th edition advantage crunch d d dnd optimization sneak attack stealth on september 3 2024 by rogue leave a comment d d 5 5 2024 phb rogue tweaks that s right the new phb isn t even fully released yet and we re already fiddling with it making up houserules quintessential d d right there raw is a suggestion the tweaks are tentative given that the dmg and the mm aren t out yet several things are still in the air skills tools stealth because they re vague or wonky in the phb and we don t know what the monsters look like does the power creep of player classes mean they ll be tougher are all traps and all locks really a flat dc 15 how do skills work time will tell but for now here are a few houserules that will hopefully make the 2024 rogue experience more rewarding and bring the class back to the middle of the curve damage wise because it was behind to begin with and now it dropped to the nether regions in comparison with other martials rogue in the base class honestly everything s great except stealth rules and damage output so all i got to add is see invisibility truesight and similar don t let you see creatures that used the hide action successfully pending a more comprehensive stealth fix because dear god these rules suck and also i won t be sure how they even work until the dmg comes out or a designer chimes in with sage advice sneak attack 1 turn target extra attack at lvl 5 my old 5e houserule this may seem too much with the nick weapon mastery you can have 3 melee attacks attack action at lvl 5 but remember that it s a much bigger hassle to set up sneak attack for multiple targets stealth and steady aim will only cover one attack cunning strike sacrifices sneak attack dice lowering dmg and often you ll simply run out of targets so you won t actually be dealing 3 x sneak attack dmg every round also remember that other martials got boosted even more and deal quite a lot of damage needs playtesting but i m confident it s gonna be fine and if it s not i ll just roll back the extra attack cunning strike includes disarm like in the playtest come to think of it shouldn t that be a weapon mastery do you think books down the line will introduce alternate weapon masteries like rapiers normally get vex but alternatively you can pick disarm or whatever cause we can beat them to the punch and homebrew that right now arcane trickster you can cast mage hand without verbal components you can cast without verbal components proficiency bonus times long rest self explanatory sorcerers are the masters of metamagic but conceptually this subclass needs subtle spell mage hand can be used to pick locks and disarm traps no idea why they removed this ability and limited mage hand to sleight of hand but that s just silly and we re bringing it back you can use scrolls of the spells you know just clarifying a little thing here an unfortunate wording appears to prevent arcane tricksters and eldritch knights from doing that by raw because they choose wizard spells and you can only use scrolls of your class s spell list assassin the extra damage from surprising strikes is now twice your rogue level and applies only on the first sneak attack that hits in the first round assassinate famously used to let you crit surprised targets surprise rules changed and now we get instead advantage on initiative new and cool advantage vs creatures that haven t acted yet on the first round of combat as before and surprising strikes if you sneak attack on the first round add rogue lvl to damage so like 3 at lvl 3 and 20 at lvl 20 although much more reliable this flat bonus is really underwhelming and doubling it gets it on par with a crit i feel that s appropriate what s the point of being an assassin if you don t wreck someone once per combat it s your job as for the crit i will miss it because it was heaps of fun but i ll admit that for multiclass martials the assassin 3 dip was simply too good and anything that s too good is bad design and i added the only on the first sneak attack clause due to my 1st houserule now rogues can potentially sneak attack more times per round and we only want to go nova once soulknife psychic blades can now be used outside your turn opportunity attacks are finally feasible with psychic blades in 5 5 but for example a commander s strike from your fighter buddy gives you an attack as a reaction not called an opportunity attack so it wouldn t apply and it s a pointless restriction thief is perfect 10 10 no notes posted in rogues in d d and tagged 2024 phb 5 24 5 5 5e arcane trickster assassin crunch d d dnd houserules rogue soulknife subclasses on september 2 2024 by rogue leave a comment deviating from the rules or how and why to sneak attack with crowbars and glaives arkham horror mobster by lucas durham brawler rogues thuggish rogues rogues who fight with improvised weapons and or unarmed strikes and rogue monk combos are common and popular character concepts well class concepts really for the purposes of making it work with sneak attack rules which arguably include needless restrictions people have been unearthing and or homebrewing variants for ages in d d 5e all it takes it a teeny houserule sneak attack damage applies to unarmed strikes or whatever weapon your thug uses in one game i had extreme success and heaps of fun bludgeoning people with a crowbar and that s it you tweak the rules just a little bit and now you can go forth and be a sneak attacking brawler thug whatever you want of course you need dm approval but technically you need dm approval for everything rule zero rules all and this is about how to use rule zero to make the game better for all your players that said weapon proficiencies are a part of the class system and the whole thing is a tradeoff anyway all class features restrict the player s choices you choose from these weapons these skills these abilities these spells if you could pick whatever you want you d play a classless system and in return you get an archetype a pack of flavour with pre calculated balance in its mechanics at least theoretically i am well aware this doesn t always work out in practice i like class systems given how much i adore character customisation and fiddling with options and tweaking the rules perhaps i shouldn t but i really do it gives me a cool starting point and from there i can fuck things up and adjust them to my preferences classless systems are cool too but at the end of the day this is a blog for rogues not for sneak attack plus evasion or whatever so for me at least the archetype is the pull and the rest is bookkeeping an archetype often means different things to different people and each player and dm might have different tolerance on how much deviation from the rules is acceptable for a given game and setting you may be okay with a mace wielding rogue but what about a greataxe wielding rogue isn t that too much too much for what does it maybe depend on circumstances the setting the character concept i think it 100 should if you play with a class system you can be flexible with it but on a case by case basis unless you go revise the whole system and effectively replace the phb with your own creation which good luck i m not being ironic honestly good luck it sure needs an overhaul and that 5 5 which wotc is currently concocting is 20 hit and 80 miss for example the most unconventional sneak attacker i ve played was a girl with a glaive however the flavour was very specifically a former gladiatrix which at least in our eyes perfectly justified the image of fighting dirty i e sneak attacking with a non finesse two handed reach weapon but at no point did i say well if it s allowed for that character concept it should always be allowed for all rogues it was suggested and accepted only as part of that specific character and not as a general houserule to be adopted from now on the general rule exists already and it s called rogue and happy as i am to fuck with it i like that it exists restrictions warts and all tl dr restrictions are annoying but they re an integral part of the class system feel free to ignore a restriction which ruins your fun or character concept for no reason but if all restrictions annoy you consider switching to a classless system originally posted on tumblr posted in rogues in d d and tagged 5e brawlers crunch d d houserules ninja sneak attack thugs on september 11 2023 by rogue leave a comment the dumb fighter d d trope the dumb fighter is a d d cliché a trope we can even say it s an unofficial term like meatshield so is it a justified cliché not in recent editions but earlier yes i think it was cartoon by will mclean probably mid 70s to early 80s for starters in early editions you didn t choose your stats you rolled them in order 3d6 for each if you wanted to play a fighter or fighting man in od d and rolled str 4 you just didn t play a fighter if you rolled str 15 and int 4 you proceeded second and very important in od d and basic you could fiddle with some of your rolled stats and reduce one to increase another but not on a 1 1 basis fighters could lose 2 points of int to gain 1 point of str and having a higher str affected almost everything for fighters including xp so they had a strong incentive to do it it s not just about the math though thieves could also lower their int to raise their dex and yet dumb thief has never been a trope or term in d d i think the reasons for that are obvious people choose to play fighters to be badass and hit things people choose to play thieves or rogues to be smartass and steal things it ain t rocket science d d tropes have a lot of inertia they remain strong in the collective imagination long after the reason they came to be is gone ad d didn t keep all these rules people could also assign rolled scores to their stats choosing which are high and which are low with this arrangement fighters only dumped int if they chose to and you know what they often did ad d also had minimum scores and the paladin originally a fighter subclass had the strictest prerequisites str 12 int 9 wis 13 cha 17 i theorise that intelligence was included because otherwise paladins would end up dumber than their horse in any case that left vanilla fighters not required to be smarter than their intelligent magic sword and you know what they often weren t partly for optimisation reasons you got more benefits from keeping your other stats high cha affected npc reactions and henchmen wis affected saving throws and all int gave a non caster was languages and partly for roleplaying reasons real life fighting may be about tactics but strategic players weren t necessarily attracted to fighters not with these rules which gave them one option and that option was to hit it again then came 3rd edition which was complicated there were 173 splatbooks and a million rules there were tons of feats and all the fighter got was feats there were hundreds of classes and prestige classes many of them combat oriented and multiclassing was easy point buy became a popular method of generating ability scores which meant that once again people could reduce their int to boost their str if they do pleased and optimisation became a science peer previewed in dedicated forums at that point if all you wanted to do was hit it again you played a fighter dumped intelligence to boost your physical stats and took power attack and similar feats if you wanted tactical combat you could do it but then fighter was a dip class you d take 2 or 4 levels tops for the extra feats and then you had much better options some of which were int based you could build a strategic fighter by choosing the right feats a charger or a tripper or someone who focuses on attacks of opportunity but there were few good combos and some didn t need int at all while others had combat expertise and required int 13 that was basically the smartest normal fighter so the dumb fighter trope remained mind you it wasn t dumb warrior in general people who wanted to fight smart had plenty of options but playing a single class fighter was not the best or the most common and even then a high int was not required the order of the stick 791 by rich burlew at least in some circles one very famous fighter is roy greenhilt from the order of the stick and he has a very good int number not stated but fans have calculated it s 14 to 17 this is noted to be unusual considered suboptimal for fighters and whatchagonnado with it anyway well i ll tell you i ll figure out which columns are load bearing entice you to hit them using myself as bait and bring the whole building down on your head you oaf...
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