Meta tags:
description= 10 posts published by moctavio during August 2013;
Headings (most frequently used words):
the, venezuela, to, in, blog, blogs, by, venezuelan, about, devil, excrement, archive, for, august, 2013, unknown, feed, subscribe, via, email, categories, all, miguel, octavio, blogroll, venezuelans, recent, posts, archives, pages, meta, stats, we, interrupt, maduro, enabling, bill, order, defend, syria, metals, trader, calls, plan, on, prices, crazy, new, central, bank, president, tries, pull, 1984, fast, one, writers, block, absurdity, has, become, tragic, statement, did, pragmatists, win, battle, today, gigantic, failure, of, bolivarian, revolution, two, graphs, supreme, court, rejects, election, challenge, fines, and, orders, capriles, investigated, government, fails, pay, sidetur, bonds, everyone, is, into, arbitrage,
Text of the page (most frequently used words):
the (313), and (94), that (88), for (53), #venezuela (43), has (39), but (38), government (35), this (32), have (32), not (29), #august (28), venezuelan (26), about (25), 2013 (25), all (25), what (25), may (23), more (22), was (22), sidetur (22), you (22), with (21), from (20), will (20), only (19), are (19), when (18), january (17), march (17), july (17), they (16), had (16), would (16), maduro (16), his (15), october (15), november (15), december (15), february (15), april (15), there (15), which (15), their (15), president (15), comments (14), september (14), 2003 (14), june (14), can (14), debt (14), 2006 (13), 2009 (13), 2004 (12), 2005 (12), 2007 (12), 2008 (12), 2010 (12), 2011 (12), 2012 (12), 2014 (12), 2015 (12), time (12), one (12), said (12), bank (11), even (11), pay (11), some (11), its (11), any (11), simply (11), posted (10), because (10), than (10), central (10), 2016 (9), new (9), interest (9), him (9), people (9), bonds (9), been (9), merentes (9), now (8), make (8), become (8), corruption (8), two (8), devil (7), something (7), arbitrage (7), makes (7), 000 (7), could (7), chavismo (7), years (7), first (7), thus (7), country (7), bondholders (7), fact (7), bond (7), shareholders (7), who (7), company (7), capriles (7), write (6), excrement (6), other (6), blog (6), another (6), 2002 (6), down (6), revolution (6), much (6), just (6), find (6), these (6), into (6), today (6), economic (6), everyone (6), sure (6), default (6), far (6), payment (6), most (6), says (6), case (6), prices (6), tovar (6), assembly (6), carreño (6), fight (6), website (5), email (5), subscribe (5), chavez (5), posts (5), uncategorized (5), your (5), month (5), self (5), get (5), since (5), off (5), here (5), like (5), talking (5), out (5), every (5), well (5), made (5), cadivi (5), making (5), don (5), think (5), bolivarian (5), problem (5), future (5), over (5), solution (5), legal (5), means (5), pdvsa (5), investors (5), last (5), should (5), amount (5), seems (5), plan (5), oil (5), being (5), court (5), then (5), giordani (5), really (5), named (5), happened (5), national (5), constitution (5), zabayar (5), feed (4), 2017 (4), back (4), price (4), sicad (4), very (4), year (4), colombia (4), dollars (4), money (4), black (4), rate (4), started (4), too (4), mean (4), how (4), everything (4), come (4), fourteen (4), such (4), many (4), going (4), under (4), guess (4), thing (4), debts (4), international (4), minister (4), practical (4), given (4), point (4), where (4), after (4), expropriated (4), were (4), worse (4), office (4), chávez (4), whether (4), next (4), positive (4), maybe (4), economist (4), happens (4), eudomar (4), work (4), pragmatic (4), hard (4), look (4), 2000 (4), metals (4), required (3), log (3), sign (3), wordpress (3), com (3), account (3), join (3), institutional (3), control (3), give (3), why (3), change (3), high (3), excremento (3), del (3), diablo (3), miguel (3), orchids (3), opposition (3), via (3), try (3), later (3), profito (3), job (3), additional (3), travel (3), times (3), salary (3), thanks (3), yeah (3), less (3), kid (3), market (3), parallel (3), also (3), 100 (3), things (3), decided (3), plus (3), went (3), better (3), know (3), trying (3), inflation (3), failed (3), fast (3), see (3), others (3), without (3), hugo (3), took (3), itself (3), done (3), honor (3), seen (3), problems (3), own (3), positions (3), matter (3), current (3), wants (3), sell (3), always (3), either (3), capital (3), payments (3), paid (3), reaction (3), opinion (3), trust (3), surprising (3), assumed (3), three (3), nor (3), assets (3), use (3), take (3), while (3), 20th (3), sense (3), nothing (3), million (3), jailed (3), our (3), democracy (3), ever (3), surprise (3), challenge (3), graphs (3), failure (3), world (3), line (3), graph (3), syria (3), want (3), say (3), hope (3), certainly (3), porras (3), matters (3), pragmatists (3), jorge (3), did (3), foreign (3), position (3), bandes (3), side (3), ministry (3), leaving (3), lack (3), compassion (3), ago (3), block (3), suspect (3), nobody (3), fair (3), set (3), syrian (3), psuv (3), deputy (3), name (2), view (2), subscribed (2), already (2), subscribers (2), entries (2), create (2), free (2), hits (2), pages (2), 2018 (2), hyper (2), inflated (2), arepa (2), index (2), again (2), blogs (2), venezuelans (2), juan (2), pedro (2), letter (2), caracas (2), charts (2), fonden (2), list (2), pictures (2), address (2), older (2), promote (2), 180 (2), family (2), least (2), minimum (2), except (2), those (2), once (2), ask (2), same (2), send (2), dangerous (2), 300 (2), mother (2), half (2), net (2), process (2), let (2), call (2), dollar (2), little (2), must (2), lot (2), whenever (2), talk (2), reality (2), wonder (2), madurismo (2), learn (2), longer (2), available (2), sitme (2), short (2), arbitrages (2), suggested (2), showed (2), mind (2), called (2), post (2), issued (2), whatever (2), cost (2), promise (2), anything (2), happening (2), negative (2), still (2), different (2), wrong (2), until (2), resolved (2), likely (2), plans (2), long (2), higher (2), express (2), full (2), hands (2), quarterly (2), responsible (2), mostly (2), clients (2), actually (2), somewhat (2), attitude (2), cases (2), above (2), worked (2), cerro (2), negro (2), petrozuata (2), never (2), however (2), calls (2), compensated (2), responsibility (2), issue (2), second (2), cash (2), them (2), place (2), supposed (2), before (2), including (2), offices (2), complejo (2), nacional (2), siderurgico (2), both (2), owed (2), quarter (2), right (2), production (2), speech (2), agree (2), does (2), ruling (2), allowing (2), doing (2), supreme (2), election (2), accusing (2), asked (2), investigated (2), page (2), simple (2), gigantic (2), homicides (2), countries (2), believe (2), murders (2), per (2), poor (2), middle (2), version (2), getting (2), show (2), similar (2), defend (2), few (2), days (2), move (2), couple (2), triad (2), good (2), apparent (2), exchange (2), ally (2), start (2), indeed (2), degree (2), ideology (2), funny (2), nicolas (2), edmee (2), betancourt (2), form (2), finance (2), planning (2), wanted (2), rafael (2), tragic (2), statement (2), tragedy (2), moral (2), humanity (2), feelings (2), spectacle (2), deplorable (2), jail (2), hateful (2), meant (2), words (2), used (2), thought (2), saying (2), homophobic (2), found (2), end (2), cabello (2), using (2), against (2), absurdity (2), writers (2), constituent (2), comptroller (2), chacón (2), level (2), science (2), hundred (2), law (2), four (2), easier (2), vice (2), enabling (2), bill (2), begin (2), fix (2), breaks (2), elected (2), easy (2), piece (2), powers (2), sudden (2), need (2), bolivar (2), gdp (2), grew (2), quarters (2), growth (2), became (2), 1984 (2), tries (2), data (2), revolutionary (2), crazy (2), party (2), alternate (2), lost (2), vote (2), comment, loading, collapse, bar, manage, subscriptions, site, reader, report, content, privacy, 213, feeds, valid, css, xhtml, 732, 001, stats, meta, proof, shows, intolerance, archives, doesn, course, uii, reaches, recent, libertarian, bruni, veneconomia, urru, quico, mario, megaresistencia, liberal, venezolano, javier, gustavo, coronel, daniel, gringo, alfredo, blogroll, octavio, candidates, papers, fable, technology, tascon, fascist, stanford, models, requena, files, posters, maletagatetrial, latinamerica, granmalies, dissidentmilitary, digressions, categories, 851, enter, receive, notifications, error, occurred, probably, unknown, sep, jul, fixing, low, totaling, activities, remesas, claims, import, allowance, grand, total, five, bad, monthly, income, health, care, minimun, salaries, comes, rest, promotion, distortions, increased, quite, doubled, round, entered, export, business, discovered, perfumeria, items, expensive, shipping, supplies, mrw, courier, casi, almost, profit, venture, tough, son, malandro, hoodlum, neighbors, advantage, expenses, 090, around, sends, remesa, costs, 890, sells, gives, 950, 060, doubles, week, parking, attendant, complained, asking, questions, visit, soaring, noticing, gone, particularly, ends, meet, throughout, possibilities, widespread, exploitation, becomes, eventually, inefficient, scrapped, nest, unworkable, exploit, weaknesses, systems, announces, ready, recorded, billion, airline, tickets, detail, adam, smith, maximizes, welfare, promoted, eleventh, anniversary, sheer, author, owned, resolution, disclaimer, bring, blemish, record, erased, tried, reach, received, answers, belief, goes, decide, resort, obtain, extremely, noisy, argentina, restructuring, creating, eleven, size, smaller, unnecessary, hassle, team, feel, impact, larger, unlikely, buy, perceive, sellers, existing, term, yield, maturity, between, fewer, buyers, begun, occur, ray, zucaro, management, interview, lots, doubts, granting, public, interviews, frustrations, situation, believed, ideologically, rigid, looked, solutions, protect, image, simplest, indenture, part, changes, sold, subtracted, compensation, technical, created, guarantee, contradiction, creation, irrelevant, benefit, vague, guaranteeing, nonchalant, mentioned, met, reached, response, letters, steering, committee, answer, fertinitro, though, difficult, justify, legally, difference, argues, industry, argument, fail, flow, impossible, third, expropriation, directly, holders, able, technically, formal, deutsche, accumulated, sort, small, outstanding, apparently, accounts, absorbing, liabilities, transferred, old, refurbished, documents, tags, products, search, function, derived, forcefully, below, whose, coupon, remarkably, peanuts, context, boasted, despite, honored, strike, dropped, continued, paying, obligations, fails, smell, chavista, madurista, allowed, disrespectful, jeez, biased, expected, proves, along, way, permit, campaign, cadenas, emphasizes, constitutional, hall, rejected, inadmissible, henrique, results, besides, travesty, fined, maximum, insulting, authority, partial, prosecutor, insults, decision, rejects, fines, orders, unsafe, live, jumping, factor, inhabitants, official, statistics, observatory, violence, note, incidence, crime, class, appeared, sunday, 4th, expediente, universal, included, digital, hat, tip, jsb, reported, implied, war, ravaged, ripped, wall, street, journal, beaten, north, korea, defined, measured, following, sum, biggest, scam, history, indefensible, wish, quantify, justice, dare, mention, claim, laugh, watch, reserves, funds, weeks, great, confirmation, basis, completely, autonomy, establish, rational, economically, sound, policies, within, bizarro, deciion, slow, dismal, execution, represents, powerful, force, influence, diminishing, swoop, seemed, wrestled, ideologues, top, jose, khan, importantly, buddy, accompanied, forced, seldom, seeing, discussed, graduate, financial, earning, masters, studying, soft, heart, qualified, applaud, bona, fide, rare, avis, approved, nomination, presidency, temir, friday, investigate, trading, rip, sec, prosecutors, rough, policy, beyond, decree, concentrate, currency, hasn, kluge, auction, system, effective, aspirin, treating, cancer, shuffled, cabinet, inherited, disappointed, nelson, split, present, influential, leverage, silver, lining, flexibility, ramirez, operating, independently, increasing, win, battle, terrible, real, accustomed, realizing, punishment, behavior, pervasive, accepted, cheer, faced, amuay, twelve, months, civility, rights, primero, justicia, promoting, orgies, prostitution, miranda, despicable, original, absurd, attempt, contrite, word, night, apologized, explain, careful, remorse, diosdado, sorry, nights, occurs, details, prefer, stand, allow, sink, verbalize, whole, homophobia, streak, bars, leaders, exhibiting, respect, sensitivity, scruples, combo, seem, foundation, ideals, justifies, joy, perverse, franklin, brito, die, jailing, judge, afiuni, tascón, material, obtained, police, opponents, writer, alliterate, title, cambio, compliance, conciencias, corpoelec, censorship, cilia, cruz, weffer, absolutely, qualifies, held, rosa, virginia, european, studies, qualify, best, mid, bureaucracy, europe, serve, btw, spent, chinese, satellite, forgot, local, antennas, clueless, read, enlightened, rich, chavistas, fascism, arreaza, yourself, anyone, married, corrup, object, hey, tell, none, screwed, neuron, car, true, core, socialist, prove, lada, often, working, earn, each, step, nice, respects, sides, person, exist, single, day, negotiate, ground, include, representative, draw, perfect, follow, thirty, advanced, complex, anti, needs, magical, harry, potter, voldemort, break, 1811, dozens, equivalent, subjects, antonini, illaramendi, fernandez, barrueco, arné, argentinean, structured, notes, pdv, elections, clean, banks, insurance, file, column, inn, bold, instead, pulls, lie, straight, hopes, helm, bcv, myself, began, looking, hell, someone, altered, indicadores, banco, economy, shown, consecutive, reading, news, coming, press, conference, skepticism, saw, pull, truly, 200, barrel, merchant, based, united, states, minerals, ports, idea, put, obstacles, losing, faith, traders, proprietary, formula, hear, reuters, sovereign, marketing, abroad, belongs, trader, help, attacked, return, important, deputies, authoritarianism, further, away, quorum, origin, arab, league, former, member, comunist, gil, corporación, venezolana, guayana, votes, reasons, adel, state, requested, leave, absence, interrupt, order, archive, observations, focused, underdeveloped, serendipity, techs, investments, politics, large, famous, pablo, perez, alfonzo, referred, wealth, appears, path, might, clear, example,
Text of the page (random words):
us really thirty years ago venezuela had the most advanced and complex anti corruption law but maduro needs magical powers harry potter like powers all of a sudden and the opposition may need or not a new constitution give me a voldemort break look the 2000 constitution may not be perfect but why not try to follow it to the letter for four years and see what happens look democracy is hard you really have to work at it every single day it is not a matter of just getting elected you have to talk negotiate find the middle ground include everyone not carreño everyone that is representative i draw the line with him want to fight corruption name a comptroller that everyone respects both sides if that person does not exist then we really have problems don t we you think that even if you get elected the other side will control the government oh well nobody said this is easy but how about working hard for the country for a while earn each piece one step at a time that would be nice no because you may object to the 2000 constitution but hey it is no better nor worse than the other 26 you mean to tell me that none of the 26 were any good then we are screwed don t you think maybe it is something up there at the neuron level that makes us believe that ideology can fix everything try it next time your car breaks down well i take that back i am sure a true hard core socialist could prove a lada is easier to fix even if it breaks down more often but talking about all these things is easier than talking about the vice president of fascism with a capital f jorge arreaza saying that everyone that is against maduro s enabling bill is suspect of being corrup t to begin with look at yourself anyone that is suspect of being vice president just because of who he married is then suspect too no agree more so nothing absolutely nothing qualifies you for any of the positions you have held only two words rosa virginia because you have a degree in european studies which would qualify you at best to a mid level position in some bureaucracy in europe where i am sure you would serve venezuela better than in the ministry of science or in your current position btw you spent a few hundred million dollars on that chinese satellite but forgot the local antennas so we don t get to use them because you were clueless under current venezuelan law that happens to be corruption read it you may be enlightened but it says you should be in jail four hundred million dollars is a lot of money even for rich chavistas so i don t know what to write about it s writers block i wanted to alliterate the title corruption constituent cambio compliance conciencias comptroller corpoelec censorship central cilia chavismo cruz weffer chacón cadivi carreño cabello chávez no it just would not work simply writer s block about this absurdity venezuela has become posted in venezuela 57 comments a tragic statement about venezuela august 15 2013 whenever something like the deplorable homophobic spectacle of the national assembly two nights ago occurs the details here here and here i prefer to stand back and allow it to sink in before i write something in this case i have found and find it it hard to verbalize my reaction to the whole thing because in the end it is not only about the homophobia but there has always been in chavismo a very mean streak that bars many of its leaders from exhibiting any compassion or respect for others call it lack of sensitivity or simply lack of scruples carreño cabello maduro and their combo seem to have no moral foundation to their ideals the end not only justifies the means but there seems to be some joy in the means however perverse whether we are talking about the murders when the opposition used to march allowing franklin brito to die jailing judge afiuni the tascón list or using material obtained by the police in the national assembly to express your most homophobic and hateful feelings against your opponents but if the spectacle was deplorable the reaction to it whether carreño trying to say he was sorry or diosdado saying they could jail capriles or maduro accusing primero justicia of promoting orgies and prostitution in miranda is as despicable as the original hateful speech by the ever absurd pedro carreño carreño s attempt to be contrite simply showed he meant every word he said that night as he only apologized for the words he used but made sure to explain that he thought long and careful about what he said there was simply no remorse it is simply just another version of chavez the show must go on when faced with the amuay tragedy twelve months ago no sense of compassion no sense of responsibility no civility no humanity no feelings for others and their rights but the real tragedy is not that we have become accustomed to this without realizing it but that there will be no moral punishment for chavismo for their behavior that this lack of humanity and compassion has become a pervasive and accepted attitude that some actually cheer what happened a terrible and tragic statement about what venezuela has become posted in venezuela 31 comments did the pragmatists win a battle in venezuela today august 13 2013 the pragmatists triad merentes porras and tovar when you come down to it about the only positive silver lining in the 100 plus days that nicolas maduro has been president of venezuela has been the apparent so far more flexibility of pdvsa in that rafael ramirez seems to be operating independently and trying to be more pragmatic about increasing the country s oil production when maduro first shuffled the cabinet he inherited form hugo people were disappointed in that while he named the more pragmatic nelson merentes to the ministry of finance he split the planning and finance ministry into two leaving the ever present and influential jorge giordani as minister of planning even worse a giordani ally edmee betancourt was named as president of the venezuelan central bank making everyone wonder whether the pragmatic side had any leverage to do what it wanted and the pragmatic side certainly has had a rough time so far as there has been little change in economic policy beyond a decree that should concentrate foreign currency in the venezuelan central bank but hasn t and a kluge of an foreign exchange auction system named sicad which has been as effective as aspirin for treating cancer but something funny happened today when in a surprise move the venezuelan national assembly approved nicolas maduro s nomination of eudomar tovar to the presidency of the venezuelan central bank which had something to do with the fact that bandes president temir porras last friday went to the prosecutors office to ask to investigate the bond trading rip off at bandes which the sec had jailed people for edmee betancourt happened to be president of bandes when all of that happened but t start with tovar happens to be an economist that rare avis seldom seeing in the fourteen years of chavismo in any position where economic matters are discussed or decided indeed eudomar happens to be a bona fide economist who even has done graduate work on financial matters earning a masters degree and studying for an additional one given that i have a soft heart for qualified people no matter what their ideology is i can only applaud this but more importantly tovar is a merentes ally and buddy who accompanied him in the venezuelan central bank and merentes forced in as president of cadivi after maduro assumed office for chávez in january and to top it all off another economist did you really think chavismo had only three jose khan was named as the new president of the foreign exchange office cadivi thus in one apparent swoop the pragmatists seemed to have wrestled control from the ideologues including jorge giordani and in my mind that can only be positive for venezuela then the merentes porras and tovar triad now represents a new powerful force on economic matters and it certainly seems as if giordani s influence is diminishing that can only be good for venezuela maybe i am completely wrong but i certainly hope that this means that merentes will now have more autonomy to establish more rational and economically sound policies within the bizarro world of chavismo madurismo because so far deciion making has not only been slow but has been dismal in its execution hope i am right watch international reserves in the next few days if parallel funds move their money there in the next couple of weeks that would be a great sign and a confirmation that i have some basis for being somewhat positive posted in uncategorized 14 comments the gigantic failure of the bolivarian revolution in two graphs august 11 2013 people still want to defend the bolivarian revolution the poor they say the justice they dare mention democracy they claim simply making me laugh but the following two graphs sum up why the bolivarian revolution is simply the biggest scam in our history simply indefensible i just wish i could quantify corruption in a similar graph to make it three 1 the inflation rate in venezuela either reported by the government or the implied inflation rate defined as that measured by the change in the black market rate is worse than in war ravaged syria and only beaten by that of north korea as show in this graph ripped off from the wall street journal hat tip jsb thanks 2 the fourteen years of the bolivarian revolution have made venezuela a very unsafe place to live with homicides jumping by a factor of 4 making venezuela one of the most dangerous countries in the world whether you believe the 73 murders per 100 000 inhabitants of the official statistics black line or the 84 of the venezuelan observatory of violence note the poor have a higher incidence of homicides and crime than the middle class this graph appeared in last sunday s august 4th expediente in el universal but was not included in the digital version thanks vs for getting it for me two simple graphs a gigantic failure posted in venezuela 21 comments supreme court rejects election challenge fines and orders capriles investigated august 7 2013 the surprise today was not that the constitutional hall of the venezuelan supreme court rejected as inadmissible henrique capriles challenge to the election results in a one page decision the surprise was that besides the legal travesty the court fined capriles the maximum amount for insulting authority with the challenge and accusing the court of being partial to the government the court also asked the prosecutor to have capriles investigated for these insults jeez the ruling was worse and more biased than i could have ever expected and simply proves capriles point in fact every ruling along the way from allowing maduro to take office for chávez to permit him to campaign as president doing cadenas all the time simply emphasizes the point but i guess in this so called chavista madurista democracy free speech is not allowed and you have to agree with everything the government says or does or you are being disrespectful and can thus be jailed do i smell a jailed capriles in our future posted in venezuela 22 comments venezuelan government fails to pay sidetur bonds august 6 2013 for fourteen years president hugo chavez said and boasted that despite everything his government had always paid its bonds on time and honored all international debts and he was right even after the 2002 2003 strike when oil production went down and when oil prices dropped venezuela continued paying its bond obligations this is no longer the case as of july 20th sidetur a company whose assets were expropriated by the venezuelan government last year failed to make payment for both interest and capital on its 2016 bond which has a 10 coupon remarkably the amount owed is peanuts in the context of the country s debt as the amount owed today is only us 73 75 million plus one quarter of interest payments the venezuelan government expropriated all of sidetur s assets including its offices and bank accounts as well as absorbing all of the liabilities of the company except for the bond this was all transferred into the complejo siderurgico nacional in fact the website under use is nothing more than the old sidetur website refurbished for the complejo nacional siderurgico but even the documents in pictures tags on products and the sidetur s in the search function are derived from the sidetur website that the government took over when it forcefully expropriated the sidetur s offices as can be seen below while the formal default of the sidetur bonds took place on july 20th the reality is that the problem started last january when the venezuelan government failed to make payment into a trust in deutsche bank which is supposed to have two quarterly payments accumulated at all times investors sort of assumed that payment would be made before july 20th as it makes no sense for venezuela to default on such a small amount of debt given what is outstanding and that apparently venezuela and pdvsa plan to issue debt in the future what the government argues is that there is a legal opinion that says that the bonds are the responsibility of the shareholders of sidetur or at least that is what was said by the minister of industry when the government first suggested that it had no plans to pay sidetur s debt this is a surprising argument even if i have not seen the opinion first of all shareholders do not issue debt nor are they responsible for debt issued by the company they own second when company s fail to pay their debts bondholders go after the assets the cash or the cash flow of the company all of which in sidetur s case are in the hands of the venezuelan government so that it would be impossible for the shareholders to use them to pay third the government has not compensated sidetur s shareholders for the expropriation if it had it would have to take the debt into account and either pay it directly to the bond holders or pay to the the sidetur shareholders who would the be able to honor the company s debt technically the government expropriated all of sidetur but not the company but the most surprising thing is that this case is no different than those of cerro negro petrozuata or fertinitro where it was the government or pdvsa who paid the bondholders even though it had not compensated the shareholders thus it seems difficult to justify legally in the case of sidetur that there is any difference what is most surprising is the somewhat nonchalant attitude that the government has assumed on this problem in the other three cases mentioned above the government met with bondholders and a solution was worked out in all cases in fact cerro negro and petrozuata never even reached the point of default however in the case of sidetur there has been no response by the government to any of the letters of the steering committee of the bondholders nor any answer to their calls the only reaction so far by minister merentes is that he said that there is a...
|
