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outweighing racist attitudes towards other groups or is the problem at the application stage here s how applications look in comparison to uk population figures bearing in mind that these are 2001 figures and hence almost certainly out of date in 2009 there were approximately 185 oxford applications for every 1 000 000 uk citizens if the same figure is calculated for each ethnic group you get the following applications per million over under white 155 83 5 mixed 703 379 4 asian 353 190 7 black 192 103 8 chinese 918 495 2 other 364 196 6 relative to the size of their ethnic group within the population as a whole white students are under represented asians and the other group which consists mainly of people who declined to state their ethnic group are over represented chinese and the mixed group are massively over represented black students are right in the middle of the distribution a fairly small population represented relative to the total of applications proportionately to its size here are the admission figures again this time side by side with the application figures applications admissions success over under white 76 9 84 9 27 6 110 0 mixed 4 4 4 6 26 5 105 6 asian 7 6 4 6 15 3 61 0 black 2 0 1 0 12 2 48 6 chinese 2 1 1 8 21 6 86 1 n k 6 3 2 8 11 1 44 2 the over under figure gives the relative success of each group as compared with the overall success rate of 25 1 and it s an interesting figure relative to applications white students are quite substantially over represented while every other group is under represented with the exception of the mixed group the cynical explanation that they re seen as white enough suggests itself here finally is what it looks like if you put it all together these are the same numbers i ve been crunching so far the over under figure for applications is the ratio between the number of applicants per million in each group and the number of applicants per million uk residents the over under figure for admissions is the ratio between the success rate of applicants in each group and the overall success rate of applicants of population of applications over under of admissions over under white 92 1 76 9 0 835 84 9 1 103 mixed 1 2 4 4 3 794 4 6 1 057 asian 4 0 7 6 1 907 4 6 0 610 black 2 0 2 0 1 038 1 0 0 488 chinese 0 4 2 1 4 952 1 8 0 862 other 0 4 0 8 1 966 0 3 0 428 every line tells a slightly different story the mixed ethnic group comes off best with a massive over representation in applications which is entrenched at the admissions stage chinese students are also over represented with a larger over representation among applicants only slightly scaled back at the admission stage a smaller over representation over asian students is almost entirely reversed by the rejection of 85 of applicants the white group is significantly under represented among applicants although the admissions process partially compensates for this with a slight over representation relative to applications alone among all the major ethnic groups black students apply to oxford at roughly the same rate as the population as a whole neither over represented among applicants like most others nor under represented like white students however the black group suffers enormously at the admission stage with a rejection rate of nearly 88 this compares with 74 9 for all applicants and 72 4 for white students so what is going on a large part of what s going on seems to be that white schoolchildren aren t getting the top grades in the numbers we d expect although this is still being compensated during admissions where black oxford applicants are concerned it seems undeniable that something is going wrong somewhere in the admission process the numbers of asian and to a lesser extent chinese applicants are cut down fairly significantly in the admissions process but this is compensated by a massive over representation of those groups among applicants black students get hit both ways they re not over represented although i would find it hard to label this as a fault particularly given the performance of my own ethnic group and they re turned away at an even higher rate than asian applicants oxford s own investigation concludes that subject choice must bear some most all of the blame bme students apply disproportionately for the most oversubscribed courses oxford s three most oversubscribed large over 70 places courses economics management medicine and mathematics account for 43 of all bme applicants and 44 of all black applicants compared to just 17 of all white applicants well maybe but i can t help feeling that this explanation stops where it ought to start it s hard to believe that subject choice is the only reason why black students faces so consistently fail to fit more to the point the good and bad subject choices themselves are not entirely weightless and without a history i passed this snippet on to my wife we met at cambridge apparently black students aren t being advised to choose the right subjects i said and that s why not many of them get into oxford what she said they re not applying to do land economy share this print opens in new window print email a link to a friend opens in new window email share on x opens in new window x share on facebook opens in new window facebook like loading by phil also posted in academe britain stats comments 2 a gift from the queen 10 november 2010 23 44 drink to the men who protect you and i drink drink drain your glass raise your glass high i ve lived through several remembrance days you may not be surprised to learn and for most of those i ve refused to wear a poppy and it did feel and continues to feel like a refusal not a free choice initially this was because i felt i was being asked to endorse britain s role in the falklands conflict and the irish war both the british legion and the government seemed actively to encourage a blurring of the line between the dead in the world wars and the very different fallen of the 1980s which i thought was pernicious still for a few years in the relatively peaceful 1990s i did wear a poppy on november 11th with the second world war and more particularly the defeat of fascism in mind but for several years now we ve been back in a period of imperialist war and i prefer not to celebrate it i do mourn the dead including the british dead but for me they re dead in a cause that s pointless at best barbaric at worst and you can t get a poppy with end this slaughter now written around the outside on the topic of poppies and neutrality owen is impressively logical the red poppy as the white poppy producing peace pledge union points out occupies something of a privileged position among emblems of charitable causes if you re a police officer or a tv presenter for the bbc you re not allowed to wear a wristband coloured ribbon or any other kind of symbol that shows your support for a charitable or political cause and especially not a white poppy but red poppies and red poppies alone are fine there are two possible justifications for this that i can see one is that the royal british legion s poppy appeal is neutral in a way that other charitable causes aren t the other is that the poppy appeal is out of all the charitable causes in the world a uniquely commendable cause neutral all charities are legally required to be politically neutral but if you can t wear an aids ribbon or a livestrong wristband on the bbc then clearly that kind of neutrality isn t sufficient but the royal british legion clearly doesn t meet this requirement the poppy appeal is manifestly not even politically neutral every year the rbl creates fields of remembrance which are intended as a tribute to the memory of ex service men and women who made the ultimate sacrifice to protect their country this year there will be one at wootton bassett where the bodies of members of the armed forces killed in afghanistan are brought this implies that every british serviceman or woman killed in the line of duty in every conflict the uk has been involved in between wwi and the present day was a necessary price to pay to safeguard our national security regardless of whether you believe this to be true or not it s quite clearly not a politically neutral position and as for whether the poppy appeal is uniquely worthy of our support well why would it be i m sure the justification most people would give if asked would be something about the fact that servicemen and women put themselves in the line of fire to make the rest of us safer but this brings us straight back to the assumption about all conflicts which the uk has been involved in being justifiable on national security grounds which is awfully hard to demonstrate with regard to say suez or the malayan insurgency britain was agin it in quite a real and tangible way the logic is impressive but i think owen misses a couple of obvious counter arguments one which i ve already touched on and one which will sums up wearing a poppy is quite a unique thing there aren t many ways that the british are able to symbolise a positive relationship to nation without descending to nationalism to recognise the honour of the military without veering into militarism it also has a beautiful ambiguity it may represent something very patriotic and proud or a form of pacifism it needn t mourn the dead of any particular war or even any particular nation it may even represent mourning for the horrors of the twentieth century more generally it s not irrelevant that most of those who have died in war over the last 100 years did not go into the military as a career but were dragged into hellish territorial disputes some people might feel particularly moved by those conscripts others won t these various ambiguities allow people to congregate symbolically without being defined symbolically the poppy is about a positive relationship to nation and the honour of the military it celebrates membership of a nation state with armed forces with all the ambiguities and differences of emphasis which that allows for different people the same symbol can commemorate an imperialist adventure carried out by professional soldiers and a continent wide war to defeat fascism waged by a mass army of conscripts but these different forms of commemoration remain within the framework of the nation state my 1990s anti fascist poppies were precisely celebrating the role of the british army in licking hitler this is why it s beside the point to point out that very few people actually believe that every british serviceman or woman killed in the line of duty in every conflict the uk has been involved in between wwi and the present day was a necessary price to pay to safeguard our national security and that anyone putting forward this hyper militarised view of the world would scarcely qualify as politically neutral the implicit argument here is not that the nation state is neutral with regard to politics but that it s prior to politics the british state and the armed forces which underwrite its monopoly of legitimate force are the precondition of any kind of politics in britain and of any kind of public sphere we are not saluting those who died for no good reason in iraq or afghanistan or the falls road but the men who protect you and i what we are certainly not doing and here i entirely agree with will is saying that we think being injured is bad and being killed is even worse an even more pre political appeal and one which evacuates the actual poppy ritual of what little politics it still gives houseroom to and it s because the poppy is a salute to the armed forces our armed forces that coming to my second argument neither wearing a poppy nor refusing to wear one is a free choice in the sense that it s a free choice to wear or not to wear a pink breast cancer ribbon or a help for heroes wristband to say that the nation state is prior to politics to say that we enjoy british democracy and british liberties is to say that we as members of that nation state bear allegiance to the ultimate authorities of the state and the armed forces which are both symbol and last ditch embodiment of their power over us i lived in a forces town as a child if nothing else it leaves you with an abiding respect for the armed forces ability to get the job done whatever the job might be and if we bear allegiance then once in a while respect should be paid declining to wear a poppy is opting out of allegiance to the state it s either an explicit protest or rather distastefully eccentric after all why wouldn t you i see this in my children s reaction to my failure to wear a poppy i really should make my protest more explicit i ve never worn a white poppy incidentally the white poppy still has an air more of eccentricity about it than protest perhaps because it says that the wearer wants to join in the ritual of commemoration and yet withdraw from it like joining a march but insisting on making up your own slogans the danger in all this is that sometimes the most useful thing we can do is not to pay respect to authority and the time of war may be one of those times in january this year i was in a pub when a loud and emotional argument broke out between a drunk and a squaddie who was about to ship back out to afghanistan where he d recently seen his best friend killed he was holding his drink quite well but he was obviously quite well gone himself the argument consisted mainly of the squaddie taking exception to everything the drunk said and trying to shut him up by the drunk man s usual method of talking over him very calmly very loudly and at great length the drunk responded with the even drunker man s tactic of carrying on regardless in the blithe confidence that if he went on talking for long enough everyone in the world would agree with him it was a fun evening i wouldn t have minded so much but we were trying to have a singaround at the time anyway nothing the drunk said upset or offended the squaddie so much as his profession of support and sympathy we re all behind you mate we want to get you out of there and get you home safe and sound big mistake they had a job to do we were told and they were going to get it done anyone who said different just didn t understand there was a job to do the army had been sent out there to do it and they were going to stay there till the job was done they had a job on hand the job was going to get done and they were going to make sure it got done from within the armed forces of course this is very much how you d expect the world to look they re an instrument of the state and they re there to get the job done provided the job involves either weaponry or boots on the ground the danger of paying respect to our state and our armed forces is that we as citizens buy into this heads down goal oriented mindset theirs not to reason why why iraq why malaya why ireland and ours neither support the troops we re urged and we re asked to support them in just the same dogged 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