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ears old in itself not an issue but it must be handled carefully and especially so in this ctop next we have r c majumdar who is a historian from the nationalist school of indian historiography which in itself is not an issue but his work has been criticised for its hindutva leanings here the report cited is strange as it cites the book race and culture in india but r c majumdar did not publish any such titled work so on that alone i would suggest that the report should not be cited regardless of the ctop it is used in i am unable to identify who dr cornik is from the report cited so the themes are choosing to add opinions of older scholars and scholars who have political religious nationalist views cdjp1 talk 14 16 17 september 2026 utc reply for the record as i have the word count left replying to mstl s questions on my talkpage regarding my comment i would point to the guideline wp contextmatters and the essay wikipedia verifiability does not guarantee inclusion as my comment pointed to saying a group are aryan or an aryan race can be very different statements while journal articles are generally wp rs it does not guarantee they do not push bullshit as an example there are still many papers published that push attempt to push race science into respectability on the note of d r cornik yes that report mentioned they said something but who are they what makes their opinion relevant do me have multiple sources showing they are someone worth noting the opinion of beyond that as i pointed out the reliability of that report may be questionable considering the claim of a literay jewel written by majumdar when he wrote no book with the title the report references cdjp1 talk 07 43 18 september 2026 utc reply that being said it is good to see mstl s willingness to engage with other editors and adjust work when concerns are raised cdjp1 talk 07 47 18 september 2026 utc reply statement by username edit result concerning gotitbro edit this section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators comments by others will be moved to the sections above this filing is severely flawed for example diff 2 shows gotitbro reverting the removal of multiple instances of the indian descriptor from the article mohammad ali jauhar by indigo92 talk contribs who was indefinitely blocked for ethnonationalist pov pushing after gotitbro filed a report on the incidents noticeboard with 44 diffs showing indigo92 s disruptive editing including indigo92 s edits to the mohammad ali jauhar article mstl portraying that as a violation by gotitbro brings into question mstl s suitability to edit within the topic area gotitbro s statement lists a number of examples of mstl engaging in the unwarranted promotion of fringe theories including the repeated addition of claims associating ethnic groups with the terms aryan race described in the corresponding article as a pseudoscientific historical race concept that was later adopted by various racist and antisemitic writers and mongloid described in the corresponding article as a term derived from a now disproven theory of biological race that was further developed by western scholars in the context of racist ideologies the fact that the corresponding articles describe these terms as pseudoscientific disproven and associated with racist ideologies should have made mstl aware that their use of the terms in this manner was not compliant with wp profringe especially considering that mstl linked to those same articles in the content they added since allegations of llm misuse were mentioned in the filing mstl should explain how they were able to make this series of edits on the mobile website some of which are only a few minutes apart from one another despite being considerable in size including an edit that added 48 117 bytes three of these edits also contain undefined references which indicate that the content was likely copied and pasted from an external location mstl s editing is problematic enough that i support a topic ban of mstl from wp ct caste caste related topics in south asia based on the filing and gotitbro s statement i do not see sufficient grounds to issue a sanction against gotitbro newslinger talk 22 40 16 september 2026 utc reply i have approved mstl s word limit extension request submitted on my talk page and increased mstl s word limit by 200 words to a total of 700 for the purpose of allowing mstl to respond to comments about their own conduct newslinger talk 21 03 17 september 2026 utc reply when i look further back into mstl s earlier editing history i see that there are too many grammatical errors in mstl s large article space edits for them to be plausibly llm generated regarding mstl s diff labeled false allegations of llm use comment link gotitbro s allegation in the wt india discussion is i also have no reason that you understand any of the p g you ve cited above which appear entirely llm generated and are mostly unrelated to the issue at hand the most glaring issue with mstl s comments that gotitbro referred to is that the shortcuts that begin with w e g w censor w caste and w afdformat are invalid because the correct abbreviation for the wikipedia namespace is wp however while invalid project space links could be llm generated errors mstl did not link to these shortcuts and could have simply typed them incorrectly also noting that mstl repeatedly misspelled kautilya3 s username in the discussion i find it unlikely that mstl s comments there were llm generated because of this i support a reminder for gotitbro that allegations of llm misuse should be accompanied with evidence at the same time and mere suspicion of llm misuse that is unaccompanied by supporting evidence is more appropriately asked as a question than phrased as a statement aside from this one point the rest of mstl s filing is not particularly strong it is unclear why mstl included diffs at nathan cofnas and category 1988 executions of iranian political prisoners that are outside the filing s wp ct sa scope the diffs for the nathan cofnas article mentions controversies surrounding his advocacy of scientific racism which is tangentially related to mstl s use of the aryan race and mongloid terms in wp ct sa articles but the executions category appears entirely unrelated gotitbro referring to a previously mentioned group of temporary accounts editing the gujari article diff 3 is not casting aspersions i prefer not to invoke wp cir against other editors because it can be inflammatory and advise gotitbro to avoid invoking it as well but when competence wp cir is currently being invoked 18 times on wp ani there is not enough community support for treating it as a sanctionable offense mstl recommended starting a discussion at wp ani a conduct oriented noticeboard not suitable for resolving content disputes five times to settle the dispute and after gotitbro expressed an intent to start an ani discussion mstl submitted this rather insubstantial ae filing against gotitbro however while i was typing this comment mstl posted a comment on my talk page indicating that they would like to withdraw this ae filing and acknowledging the feedback in this discussion which shows reflection in light of this i support a logged warning for mstl to avoid the unwarranted promotion of fringe theories within wp ct caste instead of a topic ban newslinger talk 00 16 19 september 2026 utc reply arbitration enforcement action appeal by boutboul edit latest comment 1 day ago 7 comments 5 people in discussion procedural notes per the rules governing arbitration enforcement appeals a clear consensus of uninvolved administrators is required to overturn an arbitration enforcement action statements may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs except by permission of a reviewing administrator to help determine any such consensus involved editors may make brief statements in separate sections but should not edit the section for discussion among uninvolved editors editors are normally considered involved if they are in a current dispute with the sanctioning or sanctioned editor or have taken part in disputes if any related to the contested enforcement action administrators having taken administrative actions are not normally considered involved for this reason alone see wp uninvolved appealing user boutboul talk contribs deleted contribs logs filter log block user block log sanction being appealed indefinite block imposed on 25 august 2026 to enforce the palestine israel articles arbitration decision for llm usage and for recidivism after a last chance lifting of a pia topic ban block notice archived ae request administrator imposing the sanction sennecaster talk contribs blocks protections deletions page moves rights rfa notification of that administrator special diff 1375194191 notified by newslinger statement by boutboul edit i ask for the block to be lifted i could not answer earlier because i was busy most of the errors were in my drafts and many of the accusations are not mistakes at all i prepare a part of my work offline then i paste it in my draft section by section and i look at what the wikicode gives a few went to the article usually for some minutes and i fixed them when i saw them the image is not invented fr fichier syna abravanel claustra jpg really exists on the french wikipedia i could not use it here because it is not on commons and scottishfinnishradish said the same the doi is not invented either newslinger looked again and found it in the open access version regarding the url with 5c it was already in the article holy land foundation for relief and development before i started and it is still there today when i started the french draft on 28 june the server still answered with this address regarding a second non existent citation url and third non existent citation url there was no link there before i only added working links i am not sure i understand the concern here and the url still works now even if it is not perfect since it redirects to the new address btw a human can see that it works easily but not a llm or a tool the chronologie template i thought it existed so i tried it in my draft isn t the sandbox made for that the isbn is a real mistake of mine i copied it badly offline and i removed it a few minutes later for the gwu report in the url i used the long title hamas network america short history instead of the short one hamas networks america the rest of the address is correct for the red categories i work like this i write the name that seems logical to me if it is red i change it or i take it out it goes faster than searching the category tree before palestine committee was a red link on purpose after it was deleted another editor put back a red link to the same subject himself for kevin chalker i simply did not want to answer because i believed there was no reason to answer next time i will i am not a native english speaker and yes i used an llm to translate and improve comments that i had written myself i understand now that this is why my comments look like a machine wrote them from now on i will only use it to translate but i did not use and i don t use llm on the mainspace since llm use was banned in mainspace the block also talks about my editing of the philadelphia meeting article i cannot answer this in the same 500 words can the reviewing administrator let me go over the limit michael boutboul talk 08 20 13 september 2026 utc reply statement by sennecaster edit what i said after placing the block and boutboul protested on his talk page this block was not only for the llm usage but for an article and behavior incompatible with collegiate and high quality ctop participation after being given a last chance lifting of a topic ban i m currently convinced that this block is still necessary i initially placed this as an individual administrator action but it s been endorsed by user moneytrees and was initially suggested by newslinger because i don t feel like ending up at arca for a procedural mistake while i am at a destructive level of burnout from ae is this considered by ae consensus or individual admin action please do not ping on reply sennecaster chat 16 49 16 september 2026 utc reply statement by newslinger edit i closed the enforcement request and recommend this appeal be declined boutboul s explanation of including nonexistent category names in article creations and the invalid url https extremism gwu edu hamas network america short history because he had guessed them incorrectly is less plausible than boutboul using an llm to generate these articles especially considering his prior history of llm misuse which his description downplays see his llm generated arbcom case request with numerous incorrect links and llm generated bludgeoning on talk zionism no reasonable editor would guess the url of an article from its title instead of copying and pasting the url into the citation boutboul didn t address how he copied and pasted article creations in chunks from top to bottom from an external location one edit at a time creating an llm generated article on the french wikipedia and then using an llm to translate it to the english wikipedia is just as unacceptable as using an llm to create the article in english boutboul s addition of a nonexistent see also link violates mos notseealso which makes intentional addition less likely his counterexample didn t add the link to see also newslinger talk 12 37 16 september 2026 utc reply after closing the enforcement request i logged the block as supported by a rough consensus of administrators at ae cf wp ctopappeals newslinger talk 17 10 16 september 2026 utc reply on 14 september the french wikipedia implemented its guideline prohibiting generative ai use in articles and discussions by a vote of 104 to 2 for articles and 90 to 5 for discussions in the survey to implement the guideline boutboul was one of the two editors who opposed prohibiting generative ai use in articles boutboul disclosed that his comment in opposition comment link was assisted by claude opus 5 based on this it s likely that boutboul has also been using claude for his llm misuse on the english wikipedia newslinger talk 11 11 19 september 2026 utc reply statement by involved editor 2 edit discussion among uninvolved editors about the appeal by boutboul edit statements must be made in separate sections they may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs except by permission of a reviewing administrator statement by uninvolved editor 1 edit statement by uninvolved editor 2 edit result of the appeal by boutboul edit this section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators comments by others will be moved to the sections above boutboul you ve just used 400 of the 500 words you re allowed to address things that aren t actually the primary cause of your block which is for misusing a large language model within wp ct a i and other topic areas despite previous sanctions and warnings 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