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lemented upstream other alternatives include gtklock and waylock zig which do not solve that problem either it looks like swaylock plugin a swaylock fork which at least attempts to solve this problem although not directly using the real xscreensaver hacks swaylock effects is another attempt at this but it only adds more effects it doesn t delegate the image display other than that maybe it s time to just let go of those funky animations and just let swaylock do it s thing which is display a static image or just a black screen which is fine by me in the end i am just using swayidle with a configuration based on the systemd integration wiki page but with additional tweaks from this service see the resulting swayidle service file interestingly damjan also has a service for swaylock itself although it s not clear to me what its purpose is screenshot maim grim pubpaste i m a heavy user of maim and a package uploader in debian it looks like the direct replacement to maim and slop is grim and slurp there s also swappy which goes on top of grim and allows preview edit of the resulting image nice touch not in debian though see also awesome wayland screenshots for other alternatives there are many including x11 tools like flameshot that also support wayland one key problem here was that i have my own screenshot pastebin software which will needed an update for wayland as well that thankfully meant actually cleaning up a lot of horrible code that involved calling xterm and xmessage for user interaction now pubpaste uses gtk for prompts and looks much better and before anyone freaks out i already had to use gtk for proper clipboard support so this isn t much of a stretch screen recorder simplescreenrecorder wf recorder in xorg i have used both peek or simplescreenrecorder for screen recordings the former will work in wayland but has no sound support the latter has a fork with wayland support but it is limited and buggy doesn t support recording area selection and has issues with multiple screens it looks like wf recorder will just do everything correctly out of the box including audio support with audio duh it s also packaged in debian one has to wonder how this works while keeping the between app security that wayland promises however would installing such a program make my system less secure many other options are available see the awesome wayland screencasting list rsi workrave nothing workrave has no support for wayland activity watch is a time tracker alternative but is not a rsi watcher kde has rsiwatcher but that s a bit too much on the heavy side for my taste safeeyes looks like an alternative at first but it has many issues under wayland escape doesn t work idle doesn t work it just doesn t work really timekpr next could be an alternative as well and has support for wayland i am also considering just abandoning workrave even if i stick with xorg because it apparently introduces significant latency in the input pipeline and besides i ve developed a pretty unhealthy alert fatigue with workrave i have used the program for so long that my fingers know exactly where to click to dismiss those warnings very effectively it makes my work just more irritating and doesn t fix the fundamental problem i have with computers other apps this is a constantly changing list of course there s a bit of a death by a thousand cuts in migrating to wayland because you realize how many things you were using are tightly bound to x xresources just say goodbye to that old resource system it was used in my case only for rofi xterm and xboard keyboard layout switcher built in to sway since 2017 pr 1505 1 5rc2 requires a small configuration change see this answer as well looks something like this command swaymsg input 0 0 x11_keyboard xkb_layout de or using this config input xkb_layout ca us xkb_options grp sclk_toggle that works refreshingly well even better than in xorg i must say swaykbdd is an alternative that supports per window layouts in debian wallpaper currently using feh will need a replacement todo figure out something that does like feh a random shuffle swaybg just loads a single image duh oguri might be a solution but unmaintained used here not in debian wallutils is another option also not in debian for now i just don t have a wallpaper the background is a solid gray which is better than xorg s default which is whatever crap was left around a buffer by the previous collection of programs basically notifications currently using dunst in some places which works well in both xorg and wayland not a blocker salut a possible alternative not in debian damjan uses mako todo install dunst everywhere notification area i had trouble making nm applet work based on this nm applet service i found that you need to pass indicator in theory tray icon support was merged in 1 5 but in practice there are still several limitations like icons not clickable on startup nm applet indicator triggers this error in the sway logs nov 11 22 34 12 angela sway 298938 00 49 42 325 info swaybar tray host c 24 registering status notifier item 1 47 org ayatana notificationitem nm_applet nov 11 22 34 12 angela sway 298938 00 49 42 327 error swaybar tray item c 127 1 47 org ayatana notificationitem nm_applet iconpixmap no such property iconpixmap nov 11 22 34 12 angela sway 298938 00 49 42 327 error swaybar tray item c 127 1 47 org ayatana notificationitem nm_applet attentioniconpixmap no such property attentioniconpixmap nov 11 22 34 12 angela sway 298938 00 49 42 327 error swaybar tray item c 127 1 47 org ayatana notificationitem nm_applet itemismenu no such property itemismenu nov 11 22 36 10 angela sway 313419 info fcft c 838 usr share fonts truetype dejavu dejavusans ttf size 24 00pt 32px dpi 96 00 but it seems innocuous the tray icon displays but as stated above is not clickable if you don t see the icon check the bar tray_output property in the sway config try tray_output note that there is currently november 2022 a pull request to hook up a tray d bus menu which according to reddit might fix this or at least be somewhat relevant this was the biggest irritant in my migration i have used nmtui to connect to new wifi hotspots or change connection settings but that doesn t support actions like turn off wifi i eventually fixed this by switching from py3status to waybar window switcher in i3 i was using this bespoke i3 focus script which doesn t work under sway swayr an option not in debian so i put together this other bespoke hack from multiple sources which works pdf viewer currently using atril which supports wayland could also just switch to zatura mupdf permanently see also calibre for a discussion on document viewers see also this list of useful addons and this other list for other app alternatives more x11 wayland equivalents for all the tools above it s not exactly clear what options exist in wayland or when they do which one should be used but for some basic tools it seems the options are actually quite clear if that s the case they should be listed here x11 wayland in debian arandr wdisplays yes autorandr kanshi yes xdotool wtype yes xev wev yes xlsclients swaymsg t get_tree yes xrandr wlr randr yes lswt is a more direct replacement for xlsclients but is not packaged in debian see also https github com swaywm sway wiki useful add ons for sway https github com swaywm sway wiki i3 migration guide note that arandr and autorandr are not directly part of x arewewaylandyet com refers to a few alternatives we suggest wdisplays and kanshi above see also this service file but wallutils can also do the autorandr stuff apparently and nwg displays can do the arandr part neither are packaged in debian yet so i have tried wdisplays and it just works and well the ui even looks better and more usable than arandr so another clean win from wayland here todo test kanshi as a autorandr replacement other issues systemd integration i ve had trouble getting session startup to work this is partly because i had a kind of funky system to start my session in the first place i used to have my whole session started from xsession like this bin sh shenv systemctl user import environment exec systemctl user start wait xsession target but obviously the xsession target is not started by the sway session it seems to just start a default target which is really not what we want because we want to associate the services directly with the graphical session target so that they don t start when logging in over say ssh damjan on debian systemd showed me his sway setup which features systemd integration it involves starting a different session in a completely new desktop file that work was submitted upstream but refused on the grounds that i d rather not give a preference to any particular init system another pr was abandoned because restarting sway does not makes sense that kills everything the work was therefore moved to the wiki so not a great situation the upstream wiki systemd integration suggests starting the systemd target from within sway which has all sorts of problems you don t get sway logs anywhere control groups are all messed up i have done a lot of work trying to figure this out but i remember that starting systemd from sway didn t actually work for me my previously configured systemd units didn t correctly start and especially not with the right path and environment so i went down that rabbit hole and managed to correctly configure sway to be started from the systemd user session i have partly followed the wiki but also picked ideas from damjan s sway setup and xdbob s sway services another option is uwsm not in debian this is the config i have in config systemd user sway service sway session target i have also configured those services but that s somewhat optional gammastep service swayidle service wcolortaillog service wterminal service you will also need at least part of my sway config which sends the systemd notification because no sway doesn t support any sort of readiness notification that would be too easy and you might like to see my swayidle config while you re there finally you need to hook this up somehow to the login manager this is typically done with a desktop file so drop sway session desktop in usr share wayland sessions and sway user service somewhere in your path typically usr bin sway user service the session then looks something like this systemd cgls head 101 control group slice user slice 472 user invocation_id bc405c6341de4e93a545bde6d7abbeec trusted invocation_id bc405c6341de4e93a545bde6d7abbeec user 1000 slice 10072 user invocation_id 08f40f5c4bcd4fd6adfd27bec24e4827 trusted invocation_id 08f40f5c4bcd4fd6adfd27bec24e4827 user 1000 service 10156 user delegate 1 trusted delegate 1 user invocation_id 76bed72a1ffb41dca9bfda7bb174ef6b trusted invocation_id 76bed72a1ffb41dca9bfda7bb174ef6b session slice 10282 xdg document portal service 12248 9533 usr libexec xdg document portal 9542 fusermount3 o rw nosuid nodev fsname portal auto_unmount subt xdg desktop portal service 12211 9529 usr libexec xdg desktop portal pipewire pulse service 10778 6002 usr bin pipewire pulse wireplumber service 10519 5944 usr bin wireplumber gvfs daemon service 10667 5960 usr libexec gvfsd gvfs udisks2 volume monitor service 10852 6021 usr libexec gvfs udisks2 volume monitor at spi dbus bus service 11481 6210 usr libexec at spi bus launcher 6216 usr bin dbus daemon config file usr share defaults at spi2 6450 usr libexec at spi2 registryd use gnome session pipewire service 10403 5940 usr bin pipewire dbus service 10593 5946 usr bin dbus daemon session address systemd nofork n background slice 10324 tracker miner fs 3 service 10741 6001 usr libexec tracker miner fs 3 app slice 10240 xdg permission store service 12285 9536 usr libexec xdg permission store gammastep service 11370 6197 gammastep dunst service 11958 7460 usr bin dunst wterminal service 13980 69100 foot title pop up 69101 bin bash 77660 sudo systemd cgls 77661 head 101 77662 wl copy 77663 sudo systemd cgls 77664 systemd cgls syncthing service 11995 7529 usr bin syncthing no browser no restart logflags 0 verbo 7537 usr bin syncthing no browser no restart logflags 0 verbo dconf service 10704 5967 usr libexec dconf service gnome keyring daemon service 10630 5951 usr bin gnome keyring daemon foreground components pkcs11 gcr ssh agent service 10963 6035 usr libexec gcr ssh agent run user 1000 gcr swayidle service 11444 6199 usr bin swayidle w nm applet service 11407 6198 usr bin nm applet indicator wcolortaillog service 11518 6226 foot colortaillog 6228 bin sh home anarcat bin colortaillog 6230 sudo journalctl f 6233 ccze m ansi 6235 sudo journalctl f 6236 journalctl f afuse service 10889 6051 usr bin afuse o mount_template sshfs o transform_symlinks gpg agent service 13547 51662 usr bin gpg agent supervised 51719 scdaemon multi server emacs service 10926 6034 usr bin emacs fg daemon 33203 usr bin aspell a m d en encoding utf 8 xdg desktop portal gtk service 12322 9546 usr libexec xdg desktop portal gtk xdg desktop portal wlr service 12359 9555 usr libexec xdg desktop portal wlr sway service 11037 6037 usr bin sway 6181 swaybar b bar 0 6209 py3status 6309 usr bin i3status c tmp py3status_oy4ntfnq 6969 xwayland 0 rootless terminate core listen 29 listen 30 init scope 10198 5909 lib systemd systemd user 5911 sd pam session 7 scope 10440 5895 gdm session worker pam gdm password 6028 usr libexec gdm wayland session register session sway user serv i think that s pretty neat todo consider this improved script https github com xdbob sway services blob master bin sway user service todo move config into puppet so it s in sync todo maybe submit as a pr on the debian package environment propagation at first my terminals and rofi didn t have the right path which broke a lot of my workflow it s hard to tell exactly how wayland gets started or where to inject environment this discussion suggests a few alternatives and this debian bug report discusses this issue as well i eventually picked environment d 5 since i already manage my user session with systemd and it fixes a bunch of other problems i used to have a shenv that i had to manually source everywhere the only problem with that approach is that it doesn t support conditionals but that s something that s rarely needed pipewire this is a whole topic onto itself but migrating to wayland also involves using pipewire if you want screen sharing to work you can actually keep using pulseaudio for audio that said but that migration is actually something i ve wanted to do anyways pipewire s design seems much better than pulseaudio as it folds in jack features which allows for pretty neat tricks which i should probably show in a separate post because this one is getting rather long i first tried this migration in debian bullseye and it didn t work very well ardour would fail to export tracks and i would get into weird situations where streams would just drop mid way a 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