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d i want things to get better not worse posted in uncategorized 1 comment national figures who don t believe in evolution posted on january 8 2011 by cmofosho evolution much like dry land is not a myth i had the idea to make a list of all the prominent people who don t believe in evolution but quickly found that would be too big unless it s just a list of names then there isn t enough room in one essay to put everybody in there instead i ll periodically add people in other entries and eventually compile a basic list i start with the usual suspects the conservative leaders that so many millions in the united states go to for advice christine o donnell evolution is a myth o donnell said as the others piped up incredulously she repeated herself then added well then why aren t monkeys still evolving into humans this lady was the gift that kept on giving in much the same way i like rod blagojevich i loved her i sure as hell didn t want her getting elected but having her around filled my heart with comedic joy we haven t heard much out of her in a while but this quote was what got me thinking about this essay i want to catalogue all the nationally prominent people who either don t believe in evolution believe in creationism or believe in intelligent design i ll list his or her name provide some kind of proof for what they said and explain why what they say is flawed on to ms o donnell the funniest part of this quote is where she calls evolution a myth maybe if i say stupid things and wear these glasses people will think i m sarah palin creation myths are a dime a dozen when i say creation myth most people probably think of some native american story that says the earth was molded out of clay by a grumpy raven you may also think deep down that this creation myth is silly a raven making the earth out of clay sounds like a far side cartoon well the christian creation story is also just that a story or myth and many would consider it just as absurd all opinions aside there is no scientifically testable evidence that either my made up native american myth or the christian myth are true if you believe either one of them you believe them on faith faith that whoever told them was writing the truth you might believe faith comes from god somehow channeling truth into your mind within the realms of science there is no way to prove that after hundreds of years of testing it is not an observable phenomenon unless new evidence comes up it s just faith not fact and because it isn t testable it has no place in a science classroom she also says that if evolution were true then monkeys would be evolving into humans i think what she s saying is we evolved from monkeys which isn t exactly true modern monkeys and all other primates evolved from a common ancestor modern monkeys aren t exactly the same as that common ancestor they re just genetically closer to that ancestor than we are new species emerge when they re isolated either by distance or some physical boundary from others in their old species then a change in their environment has to affect their ability to survive in their previous form whatever the case that comment shows a complete lack of understanding of natural selection speciation and sex in general that last one might explain this michele bachmann there are hundreds and hundreds of scientists many of them holding nobel prizes who believe in intelligent design michele bachman she may be right there may be scientists who believe in some kind of intelligent design but that doesn t mean they don t believe in evolution as well let s say she s right about these people she s referencing though that doesn t mean they re biologists or even remotely connected to a branch of science that studies evolution i would be surprised if an astronomer or geologist believed in id but a chemist who works for proctor and gamble maybe one making the next popular male enhancement drug who knows maybe you could interpret intelligent design different ways for example your version of god might have just applied a divine spark to start life once that happened the accepted version of evolution took place by my count that s as ludicrous as the guiding hand but not as crazy as strict creationism i guess a very very loose interpretation of id could be that an even more remote god set up the basic laws of the universe and therefore set them up to result in evolution that however is almost bordering on agnosticism bachmann holds many many flawed views of evolution you can read them here sarah palin she didn t believe in the theory that human beings thinking loving beings originated from fish that sprouted legs and crawled out of the sea or from monkeys who eventually swung down from the trees palin in going rogue from a ny times article it s fun to make believe and play dress up it s even more fun to kill things for a tv show of course these things being thinking loving beings and also part of the evolutionary tree aren t mutually exclusive her argument here and i admit i don t have the whole excerpt seems to rest on this semantics aside her dumbing down of evolution is typical it usually goes something like this i look nothing like a fish how can we be descended from fish or i m way smarter than a monkey you saying i m descended from one is an insult that jump of logic ignores basic facts of evolution like the complex mechanisms that underlie its theories and appeals to the insecurity inherent in everyone in a competitive society we all want to be the best the smartest the best looking the tallest if you imply that someone resembles something that does not have those traits or at least doesn t have attributes that are attractive to other human beings they get upset and defensive if you haven t already figured it out the argument is pretty darned ironic it appeals to the same mechanism natural selection that the theory of evolution hinges on because we reproduce sexually we want to be attractive to those of the opposite sex and pass on our genes attractive traits are ones that make us healthy and productive members of society most of the people i know aren t attracted to monkeys or fish like other attacks on evolution it s also based on the audience s lack of understanding or unwillingness to understand evolution and the scientific method would that be hypocritical or just not self aware maybe stupid probably all of the above glenn beck i don t think we came from monkeys i think that s ridiculous i haven t seen a half monkey half person yet did evolution just stop did we all of sudden there s no other species that s developing into half human it s like global warming so i don t know why it is so problematic for people to just so i don t know how god creates i don t know how we got here if i get to the other side and god s like you know what you were a monkey once i ll be shocked but i ll be like whatever they have to make you care they have to force it down your throat when anybody has to force it that s a problem you didn t have to force that the world is round truth is truth you don t have to force the truth glenn beck i hate glenn beck like i love christine o donnell he s either just as dumb or just as is he dressed up like a nazi or a soviet because both of those countries committed genocide who the fuck does this and who supports a guy who does pandering to the willfully ignorant as she is he s scary though because people follow him he s unstable charismatic and batshit crazy a scary combination of traits his mid life conversion to christianity makes me think he believes everything he says converts are the craziest right well mormonism which is like the newer wackier christianity there s some christine o donnell in this quote he doesn t understand the evolutionary relationship between monkeys and humans he also asks why there isn t a half human half monkey which is the same problem one could argue that within his twisted evolutionary model the other great apes are those half human half monkeys our evolutionary line diverged from the chimps gorillas orangutans and gibbons more recently than from the monkeys i would also be surprised if glenn beck got to the other side and god told him he used to be a monkey no informed scientist has ever implied that any human being was once a monkey evolution does not occur within one generation it s idiotic and lots of anti evolution people say it beck might say that he was being rhetorical that he was being over the top on purpose to make a point but people will believe him he is portraying science as nonsensical and illogical if that s true then why wouldn t people believe some scientists think this he implies that there are competing and moronic lines or reasoning within the scientific community on this topic there aren t anyway i m pretty sure if heaven exists and there is a god the only reason he would want to meet or talk to glenn beck would be to smack him in the face if we re pretending there s an all knowing being that lives in another dimension hears all of our prayers and sends people to a place like heaven if they do his bidding after he whispers to a few random people we might as well give that thing a gender rush limbaugh we now officially came from a monkey 47 million years ago well that s how it s being presented here it s settled science you know this is all bs as far as i m concerned cross species evolution i don t think anybody s ever proven that they re going out of their way now to establish evolution as a mechanism for creation which of course you can t do rush limbaugh no rush limbaugh is like glenn beck but less charming limbaugh s talent is continuous loud talking maybe it s because he works on radio but he just keeps going blabbering unsubstantiated nonsense beck likes melodrama conspicuously significant pauses that work well on tv limbaugh likes anger and yelling anyway what he says here is silly cross species evolution that s not a thing i think what he s saying is there isn t any proof that evolution created speciation that goes to another common anti evolution argument that it s just a theory and can t be proven two different species shouldn t be able to mate and create reproductively viable offspring although it doesn t always work that way because definitions of species have changed over the years technically that s true according to the scientific method you never know anything with absolute 100 certainty that s because for thousands of years people came up with ideas for why things were the way they were but were very wrong then some smart people realized that every time somebody came up with a new explanation they eventually turned out to be wrong since these folks didn t want to seem stupid to future generations they came up with a back up plan the scientific method basically it says that observable phenomena and testable hypotheses lead to theories that was different from how it used to be when people just made up cool stories that sounded good around a campfire unfortunately it also meant all conclusions are just theories not facts or laws all evidence out there might strongly point to a theory being true but it s still just a theory for example we understand how evolution works better than we do gravity but they re both theories not exactly true but brilliant and hilarious if it were bill o reilly science is not always incomplete and i ll give you an example there are twenty four hours in a day alright that s science o reilly factor the interesting thing here is o reilly doesn t deny evolution he just says intelligent design you are the evidence bill it s like the end of the da vinci code which i m sure your network views as a work of fact based historical fiction should be taught alongside it he does so in an interview with a professor of biology and also in an editorial he wrote for foxnews you should read the interview o reilly isn t a journalist journalists ask questions and gather facts o reilly regularly speaks or yells over his guests not allowing them to continue when they make rational arguments against his views he keeps going not even acknowledging a rebuttal if the guest gets a chance to give one anyway the quote above is o reilly s he likes to paint himself as a moderate and i suppose compared to the other people on foxnews he is the problem with this quote is that he s flat out wrong he says that because there are always 24 hours in a day and we re sure of that that s proof that sometimes science isn t just a theory it s fact well first of all an hour is just a proportion of a day so yes there will always be 24 hours in a day and it would be ridiculous to think that we might discover a day is longer or shorter than we thought it was what that happened last year oh anyway my flawed argument is beside the point the point is science says we don t know anything at 100 certainty some theories like the fact that you and i exist are at a very very high level of certainty pretty much everything is lower than that one others like the hollow earth theory are significantly lower besides that intelligent design has no business being in a science classroom there is no evidence to support the theory and it s an un provable hypothesis well maybe it s not entirely un testable if god is somehow changing genetics to suit his design then we would see some crazy unexplainable phenomena acting on living bodies one could argue that we have been doing significant biological and chemical research and experiments for many years and have never ever come close to witnessing something like this going on meanwhile there is a metric shit ton of evidence for evolution the two theories aren t in the same ballpark hell they re not in the same universe without new evidence there is no reason to take intelligent design seriously mike huckabee but i think schools also ought to be fair to all views because frankly darwinism is not an established scientific fact it is a theory of evolution that s why it s called the theory of evolution and i think that what i d be concerned with is that it should be taught as one of the views that s held by people but it s not the only view that s held and any time you teach one thing as that it s the only thing then i think that has a real problem to it mike huckabee i m leaving mike for last because if you made me bet i d probably take huckabee as the favorite to be the republican nomination for president in two years i ve said enough already so i don t need to explain again why his statement is garbage all that being said i m planning on doing this with many more national figures in future posts hope you enjoyed this and here s a parting thought why do those who believe in evolution have the burden of proof those who doubt evolution should have to explain why there is so much evidence for evolution and against creationism in science the burden of proof is on creationists and those who believe in intelligent design that s why any classroom that teaches 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