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s created or received in the performance of duty and paid for by public funds are deemed to be public property and shall constitute a record of public acts shall constitute a record of public acts clearly means public records but then the phrase public property is used separately hmm why would you include two phrases that mean the same thing so public property clearly means something different the most obvious answer that i can think of is that it means public domain i did some more research and i found some interesting things first of all courts actually used to refer things not protected by copyright law as public property then in 1896 the u s supreme court used the term public domain which came from french law the term public domain ended up becoming more commonplace than public property https web archive org web 20151001043157 https digitalcommons law scu edu cgi viewcontent cgi article 1108 context facpubs there is another court case that uses the term public property that i would like to mention the case is mayer v josiah wedgwood sons ltd 601 f supp 1523 s d n y 1985 you can read up on the full case if you are interested https law justia com cases federal district courts fsupp 601 1523 1734702 but here is the part where the court says something that proves public domain and public property are the same thing in this case the fact that mayer permitted her design to enter the public domain is fatal to any claim she can assert any theory of liability she could advance would necessarily assume she holds some property interest in the snowflake design yet it is elementary that once copyrightable material is published without the author s first securing federal copyright protection the author loses his property interest in the material the material becomes public property this is referring to how you had to put a copyright notice on your work back then if you wanted federal copyright protection you no longer need to do this failing to do so back then resulted in the work becoming public domain the court says here that if a work was published without securing federal copyright protection it becomes public property so public property is a legal synonym for public domain public property public domain so we can conclude that all records created or received in the performance of duty and paid for by public funds are public domain now that i have given my defense for georgia i want to bring up north carolina now i remembered that the north carolina public records law says the public records and public information compiled by the agencies of north carolina government or its subdivisions are the property of the people therefore it is the policy of this state that the people may obtain copies of their public records and public information free or at minimal cost unless otherwise specifically provided by law property of the people property of the people public property public domain to further back this up i took a look at the website for the state archives of north carolina it says state and local government records in the custody of the state archives of north carolina may be cited and published without permission we do ask that the archives be credited as the custodian of these materials https archives ncdcr gov researchers services permissions and citations this implies that you can publish use the records held by the archives however you wish without needing permission as long as you credit this is basically their equivalent of a free use license such as cc by 4 0 where you can use the work however you wish as long as you credit them please let me know you think about all this minermatt122514 talk 07 43 26 july 2026 utc reply also california and florida have similar laws that forces websites to remove a person s mugshot if they receive a request from them to do so but wait california and florida mugshots are in the public domain it is a legal paradox long story short the law doesn t apply to us because we are a non profit minermatt122514 talk 08 10 26 july 2026 utc reply i was kind of following along with everything you posted up until the your summary in the last paragraph the fact the wikimedia foundation is a non profit organization is irrelevant to the copyright status of the mugshots it s not a question of whether the law applies to us but whether the content commons is hosting can be downloaded and reused by anyone anywhere in the world at anytime for any purpose including derivative and commercial reuse so even if the law may not apply to us it might not be ok for commons to host per com lj and com l if the law places a non commercial use only or non derivative use only type of restriction on other potential reusers of the content marchjuly talk 08 21 26 july 2026 utc reply according to wikimedia s personality rights warning a file can be completely free of copyright or in the public domain while remaining restricted by the legal rights of the person in the photo this policy seems to apply to the mugshots where an individual the person in the mugshot can restrict its use minermatt122514 talk 08 56 26 july 2026 utc reply also please see https commons wikimedia org wiki commons deletion_requests file mug_shot_of_carolina_amesty jpg minermatt122514 talk 08 57 26 july 2026 utc reply my previous post was regarding nc nd types of copyright restrictions because you seemed to be implying the the wmf has no problems with them because it s a non profit my post had nothing to do with personality rights or any other type of non copyright restrictions those type of restrictions as you point out are not considered a problem for commons by the wikimedia foundation the template personality rights can be used for files where such a thing could be a problem for those wanting to re use the content ultimately it s up to the reusers of the content being hosted by commons to make sure they re doing in accordance with the local laws of wherever they live marchjuly talk 09 21 26 july 2026 utc reply i appreciate the argument regarding public property but i would say that the more likely meaning in this context is property owned by the state of georgia i refer generally to the entirety of chapter 16 of title 50 of the georgia code entitled public property which apparently uses that sense of the word to refer to everything from art to livestock belonging to the state but also uses the term to refer extensively to land and buildings many of those things cannot be said to be public in the sense of free to use even nonrivalrously there is no statutory public use right for the swine of the state of georgia or free to take even when you have a right to access you can enter the state court to observe but you can t have the state court building except by real estate process as currently organized chapter 18 on public records and chapter 16 on public property are in the same title 50 of the state code and it would stand to reason that the code revision commission when consolidating the public laws on the books would have attempted to be consistent when working on material that would be published under the same title although i haven t looked into their exact process i imagine that if they d found a conflict they would have proposed a textual fix that the legislature would have passed in the next code revision statute i acknowledge the cited history of terminology origins and meanings of the public domain by t ochoa quite interesting actually but would suggest that it documents a linguistic shift around 1896 1945 and is specific to intellectual property while the georgia definition of public property is more expansive and is based on statutes both before and after that shift in u s federal copyright terminology it seems unlikely for 50 18 102 first passed in 1975 and consolidated more recently to refer to the pre 1896 1945 understanding for the purposes of intellectual property while still being read harmoniously for property in general according to the clear intent of chaper 16 evidenced by its subject matter thefeds 07 39 27 july 2026 utc reply hmm i m trying to find the basis for the statement that georgia does not allow a state agency to claim copyright unless specifically authorized the old harvard state copyright site listed georgia as yellow as having very little on point law or court cases we typically needed some definite statement or court ruling pertaining to copyright in particular commons uses public domain in regards specifically to copyright though there can be other meanings of that term in other contexts a logo may be public domain here but still fully protected by trademark with lots of usage restrictions for example the right to remove mugshots is similarly a non copyright restriction it exists separately from copyright or any licensing tag here florida has a somewhat similar public records law but they also have a state supreme court decision which decided the wording of that law impacted their actual copyright in government authored works and i m not sure we have that with georgia the wording could be subtly different they do specifically allow some agencies to administer copyright and other intellectual rights as mentioned by the tag in general public records does not mean public domain in a copyright sense so we have normally needed to see something specifically mentioning copyright i m not sure we have that this seems to me that it is entirely based on public records and that the public is allowed to copy those records but of course that does not mean they are allowed to exploit them in the copyright sense court evidence is public record and as such people can request and make copies of those public records but you have no right to publish them other than fair use maybe discussing the court case it was the florida court case that decided the law s wording also meant that public records authored by the government were usually therefore void of copyright without something similar from georgia i am not at all comfortable with the tag carl lindberg talk 19 08 2 august 2026 utc reply file florida today 2021 01 21 svg edit latest comment 3 days ago 4 comments 4 people in discussion file florida today 2021 01 21 svg was uploaded as pd logo i m wondering though whether the letter o in the logo might be just complex enough to push the entire logo above the com too us it seems like it might be a close call if the file is ok for commons then an older version of the logo uploaded locally to english wikipedia as en file florida today svg should also be ok for commons and can be relicensed accordingly marchjuly talk 08 10 26 july 2026 utc reply i m thinking that it is like the best western w crown but differs in that it is literally substituted for part of the word instead of as a logo suggesting an initial and an object simultaneously more textlike less creative and it is more complex in that it suggests a 3 d object there are overlapping trails in and out of what looks like the plain text o more spatially complex more creative ornamentation of a letter subway arrows and substitution of a design for a letter discover o i always assumed it was a sunrise but i don t know aren t necessarily copyrightable i would say on balance that it s in the public domain in the united states thefeds 08 07 27 july 2026 utc reply the logo is a modification of the logo shown at file florida today january 19 1977 snow flurries fall in brevard jpg the 1977 logo unambiguously passed into the public domain due to formality shenanigans so the new logo also has to clear the bar of having enough originality added beyond the elements present in the 1977 logo to gain copyright protection to me thickening the rings around the o and moving one of the balls on the ring around does not meet that bar based5290 talk 08 28 27 july 2026 utc reply i d say if the old one wasn t for sure free it might be pushing it but it isn t different enough from the old one to be copyrightable parakanyaa talk 19 09 30 july 2026 utc reply we may not be allowed to host california and florida mugshots here edit latest comment 50 minutes ago 3 comments 2 people in discussion apparently california and florida have laws that restrict commercial use of mugshots i thought that california and florida mugshots were public domain though if commercial use is restricted our policies don t allow them to be on the commons we seem to have reached a paradox here are they or aren t they public domain minermatt122514 talk 08 37 26 july 2026 utc reply edit this seems to apply to the personality rights policy so all mugshots should have this attached minermatt122514 talk 08 52 26 july 2026 utc reply they may be public domain in a copyright sense but there can always be additional non copyright restrictions that may need to be respected or can apply to some uses in some areas it s up to re users to be aware of those that mugshot right seems like something in between privacy rights and personality rights that may end up being a community decision or the wmf if they become liable for violations on how much to respect those but a request coming from the pictured person may well be reasonable to honor carl lindberg talk 19 17 2 august 2026 utc reply file conservation walks sign 2 3969282171 jpg edit latest comment 7 days ago 1 comment 1 person in discussion photo of a sign with ordnance survey map whetcher such map can be covered by os opendata if so the file should be fine evelino ucelo talk 14 33 26 july 2026 utc reply third reich and earlier german insignia and currency edit latest comment 8 hours ago 2 comments 2 people in discussion commons deletion requests files found with intitle dpla german bank note morgenthau and commons deletion requests files found with nazi germany fire police shoulder insignia patch collected by winfred kenner sent me looking to find how parallel cases had been handled and what i found was a mess lots of claims of own work lots of dealing only with the u s side of the copyright issue etc i looked to commons currency germany for guidance but what is there is basically nonsense it begins not ok except for deutsche mark bank notes which would imply that a 19th century german banknote is somehow still copyrighted for the nazi era insignia i could find even less guidance besides these two particular drs which should certainly be addressed commons currency germany needs to be clearer on older banknotes and coins and somewhere we ought to have guidance on nazi era insignia do we did i just not find it jmabel talk 17 56 26 july 2026 utc reply worst case scenario apply 70 years after author s death for nazi banknotes richard länger 1879 1950 designed the 10 reichsmark 1929 1938 and 20 reichsmark 1929 1936 banknotes 1 paul scheurich 1883 1945 designed the 5 reichsmark 1942 2 50 reichsmark 1933 1934 100 reichsmark 1935 and 1000 reichsmark 1936 banknotes 3 nakonana talk 11 25 2 august 2026 utc reply new saudi arabia copyright act an update edit latest comment 45 minutes 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