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ldiers failed to do sorry no they didn t beat us in a stand up fight they didn t in fact beat us at all we beat ourselves failure to apply power failure to take the steps necessary to victory allowing the conflicts to drag on for years causing dismay among the american population what we have done since 1945 is set ourselves up for defeat rather insane stupid too and you do wonder if we had people in our government deliberately setting this up that s for a later time suffice it to say that if we allowed our enemies to script our moves it could not have ever come out worse until trump trump is not a man of war he takes a businessman s view of it that is its bad for business why shoot when you can work a deal beneficial to both sides this sort of view can get you into some trouble it fails to take in to consideration the simple passions which war can cause but on the whole it is the best way to go about it because war is a business a nasty one to be sure as the old saying goes amateurs talk strategy professionals talk logistics business that is not the glorious charge or the clever flanking move but how can i get this many troops there by this day how long can i supply them how large are the enemy s supplies who can produce more supplies over time these are the questions which real generals ponder and trump seems to instinctively know this and so his plan when he put it in motion was two fold hammer the leadership in hopes of an uprising and hammer iran s economy so that even if there wasn t an uprising whoever was in charge would have to come to the table we haven t engaged in that sort of warfare since 1945 there was no uprising but iran s economy is in shambles they came to the table because if they couldn t start selling as much oil as the market can bear there would be an uprising because the iranian people are running out of food iran also has no outside power willing to bankroll them russia and china are friendly but neither want to tangle with us over iran plus we just demonstrated that russian and chinese military hardware is worthless on the battlefield against us just as they had to after the first gulf war they are now pausing to rethink their whole strategic worldview they are once again unsure they can actually fight us so time to lay low a year ago the chinese might have been thinking they could send a naval task force to contest our control of the arabian gulf but not today all they d be doing is providing excellent naval scrap without a patron without the ability to endlessly kill americans with their economy on the verge of collapse they really had to come to the table can we trust them of course not but peace doesn t require trust no more than alliance does it requires shared interests right now iran has a vested interest in a calm middle east a time for it to recover a bit build a bit reconsider strategic choices argue amongst themselves who gets to be in charge we too need a calm middle east and an iran no longer sabre rattling all over the middle east we need time for the peace efforts to really take hold and encompass the entire region this is why trump was so mad at israel for bombing terrorists in lebanon for very small returns killing a few more terrorists israel nearly upset the apple cart hey i get it israel would like all her enemies dead but israel herself refused to do this in gaza for the most decent and humane reasons to be sure but it totally undercuts bloodthirsty demands about iran as well hezbollah creeps in lebanon who probably haven t been paid in months given iran s troubles both sides need peace and so we re going to try to make it and even if the mullah regime survives that isn t a defeat it is in fact a victory because iran s whole thing has been to disturb the peace donald trump iran peace war war and peace with iran june 14 2026 june 14 2026 mark noonan 13 comments war is a continuation of politics by other means von clausewitz famously said lot of people forget though that politics is a continuation of war by other means they are ultimately the same thing a person who truly understands war understands politics and vice versa i bring this up because we have a lot of people dooming over the pending deal with iran first off we don t really know the details yet it hasn t been released trump has outlined for months the broad outlines of what we re after no iranian nukes no threats to commerce iran ceases using proxy forces around the middle east trump says he s close to a deal to get what we want ok lets wait and see if you really think that trump will throw away our overwhelming victory over iran then i just don t know what to say i can only assume you re just so filled with hatred of trump that you ll swallow any nonsense fed to you by known liars secondly just what do you want that is what is your post war it is a serious question and one which hasn t been asked for a very long time and in fact it is rarely asked during any war but it is the most crucial thing to ask in fact if you don t ask and find your answer you really shouldn t engage in war there have been so many wars in human history and for most of them people don t even ponder what is next and this is true for both just and unjust wars but if you are in any way a serious person you have to know what you want at the end of it i do believe trump knows what he wants in any war you can have your idea outcome in mind but you must also have your merely acceptable outcome ready you can never know what is going to happen once the guns go off the enemy after all does get a say trump s ideal outcome in iran was the iranian people overthrowing the mullahs i thought it would happen i think almost all of us did trump certainly did but with the mullah regime decapitated its remaining leaders in hiding and their goon squads running the iranian people simply did not move they didn t want to risk their lives had they done so us and israeli air cover would have been available nothing happened they took videos and then went home given this our ideal outcome became out of reach we will not usher in the end of the mullah regime short of a us invasion and no sane person in america wants that it isn t that we wouldn t win it is that in the post war we d be responsible for rebuilding iran and you just know the iranians would take pot shots at us as they vie to be more anti american than the next guy no thanks so given that the mullahs truly gauged the quality of their people what next it has got to be a deal we could keep bombing but to what purpose it is still an option and trump has repeatedly said he d resort to it absent a deal but for goodness sake you re not supposed to want iran reduced to rubble whatever else they are they are your fellow human beings if necessity requires you to kill them then so be it but if you can abridge the slaughter and still obtain your minimal requirements then it would be a crime to keep killing right now trump says he can make the deal presumably no nukes open seas no proxies lets see if it can be done will iran break the deal they might you can t trust them any further than you could throw them but they also just found out that 25 years of military build up using untold amounts of money turned out to be a complete waste of time they couldn t even slow us down that is a lesson which only a fool ignores might they all be fools could be but i doubt it given that at least some significant faction of the mafia running iran is talking there are at least some people there who know that it is time to lay low rebuild and try again down the road long down the road so far down the road that by the time you get there attacking the usa might not remain a priority in other words it is time for peace war might come again war might always come again but it is time for peace the mullah dream of conquering the middle east is over and outside some potential fanatics everyone understands it but meanwhile iran still carries great weight they can have strong influence in the area if they make a deal and thus are able to rebuild their choice ultimately but right back to it what do you want what do you think is best for america in my view what we want is us exiting the middle east that is peace is secured to the extent that we don t need to be deeply involved over there i don t care if some random islamist nutter sets off a bomb that is for the local people to deal with what i do want and i think america should insist upon is the free movement of oil combined with no attempts by any middle east party to export their lunacy to the rest of the world remain 7th century savages for all i care as long as you don t export it to the usa i don t want us to have to fuss every time some idiot does something stupid i want our forces to withdraw from the middle east i want good relations there especially with israel egypt and saudi arabia i want to have in place various protocols for what to do if some idiot decides to set the place on fire but i don t want us deeply involved in the day to day let the people there sort themselves out i doubt that those pre condemning trump have any idea what they want other than to take exception to any trump action that is if we hadn t hit at all they d condemn if we kept hitting they d condemn if trump s deal works they ll still condemn but as i ve been saying for a while now it is time we rejoined the real world and in that real world we don t have to be eternally engaged in warfare we can make peace even with people we hate and who hate us peace isn t love peace isn t trust peace is peace it is a state where we re not shooting at each other and are unlikely to do so any time soon i think trump is going to get us that and that is good update national security president trump iran open thread june 11 2026 mark noonan 13 comments on again off again with iran but i saw some of the video of yesterday s bombing and it was ferocious trump now says the mullahs again are ready to talk we ll see but also for the first time he indicated the next step is taking kharg island though keep in mind that could be a decoy to have the mullahs move their remaining assets there to be bombed while we move somewhere else bottom line trump just showed the mullahs and the world that we have absolute military supremacy whatever amount of pain we want to inflict will be inflicted and iran can t even slow it down oil futures are down under 87 a barrel which makes me feel the people most in the know figure iran really is ready to deal that is the iranians themselves might be telling the oil market that they re quitting and thus oil will soon flow very freely iran desperately needs this they haven t made money in weeks and goon squads don t work for free irish and brit politicians who knelt for floyd of fentanyl are upset that some people in belfast are rioting against the migrants anyways the protests are mostly peaceful right the disgusting part of the pols is that they re straight faced telling us that it is wrong to riot because of injustice right after they told us people must riot because of injustice we re used to such disgusting acts but that doesn t make us any less disgusted i still don t think the brits or the irish have the guts to really do what is necessary that is after a few are picked up by the police the rest will quiet down there is no way out for the uk without violence it is the only way you can possibly get the government to listen only if whitehall fears a lynch mob will they concede that a policy change is necessary but i do have some hope maybe they really have had enough it wouldn t take much been saying that for a while you don t need 69 million brits to rise up ten thousand would do in a pinch one hundred thousand would make it a walk over the british army is about 75 000 strong has a massive manpower shortage and is shot through with dei leadership i doubt they d stand and fight as they almost certainly haven t been taught how to do that get ten thousand rebels marching on london and you d probably see half the government flee to france reminder our opponents are stupid cowards not men or women we actually have to fear vance is going on the view and honestly i can t imagine why clearly he thinks it is a good idea i mean sure he s intellectually miles above the hosts on the show but the problem here is they ll say stupid things and when the applause sign lights up the mindless crowd in the seats will cheer i get taking the fight onto enemy territory but still black lady i follow on x is just furious about the reaction of some black people to the anthony verdict pointing out the egregious lies being spread such as the jury was all white it wasn t not even close or that anthony was the victim of a mob attack which allegation was not raised where it would matter most in court this is because it didn t happen what clearly happened was that anthony was somewhere he wasn t supposed to be got into some hot words with a man there and then like a lunatic barbarian stabbed him over nothing out the gate this was a bare minimum second degree murder the jury came back with first degree murder but there really never was any doubt that it was felony murder anthony should have plead out but he didn t and he didn t because he clearly has the idea in his head that his skin color excuses him from civilized behavior he was taught that he s of a master race and it was in the public schools and pop culture where he got this message seriously goebbles efforts were weak and pathetic compared to what our public schools and pop culture shove into the minds of americans anthony simply felt that no white man should ever so much as talk back to him he s actually worse than the klansmen of old who at least looked for some genuine offense even if made up to justify their actions anthony just didn t like someone taking exception to him but it is crucial that we don t get drawn into the race aspect here it doesn t matter what skin color anthony is what matters is that he s a barbarian he shouldn t be getting mere jail time he should be whipped within an inch of his life and then get jail time and then he hauled out once a year to again be whipped within an inch of his life it is how you instruct barbarians they won t learn any other way hey i get it he s what he was taught to be sorry bout that wish he hadn t been taught to be a savage but he was and now we civilized people have to apply the corrective he took a man s life his life over nothing he wasn t defending himself wasn t defending others he wasn t even doing honest crime trying to steal and fighting his way out of the jam he just saw a guy giving him some lip and decided in an instant that the man had to die you can t fully atone for that in a human justice system the crime is so entirely disproportionate to anything rational that we can t really get to justice killing him in return doesn t balance the scales but whipping him and having him break rocks would go a long way ...
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