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ribute help learn to edit community portal recent changes upload file special pages search search appearance donate create account log in personal tools donate create account log in contents move to sidebar hide top 1 the problem 2 how to fix 3 see also 4 references toggle the table of contents wikipedia avoid thread mode add languages add links project page talk english read edit view history tools tools move to sidebar hide actions read edit view history general what links here related changes upload file permanent link page information get shortened url switch to legacy parser print export download as pdf printable version in other projects wikidata item appearance move to sidebar hide from wikipedia the free encyclopedia wp atm redirects here you might be looking for wikipedia arguments to make in deletion discussions essay on editing wikipedia this is an essay it contains the advice or opinions of one or more wikipedia contributors this page is not an encyclopedia article or a wikipedia policy as it has not been reviewed by the community shortcut wp atm wp atm this page in a nutshell don t however a position in the middle of stating its case the problem edit a b c d e f g h 8 8 7 7 6 6 5 5 4 4 3 3 2 2 1 1 a b c d e f g h no one wins a stalemate except in the not uncommon situation when a chess player only needs a draw to win a match or tournament if you ve read a few articles dealing with controversial issues during your stay at wikipedia you might find the following eerily familiar apples have often been claimed to be objectively better than oranges by experts estimates as to the exact amount of betterness of the apples vary with the 1967 smith report putting it at 30 however the authors of that report were exposed as interested parties with smith herself revealed to have had her research funded by big apple thoroughly discrediting the applist agenda and winning the orange faction renewed support in faculties worldwide apple representatives have asserted in response that these allegations are nothing more than an orangist smear campaign however a government investigation in 2006 condemned applists for falsifying membership records and found no evidence of any smear campaign but these accusations are old and had already been addressed and debunked by the applists long before the julius report what s this why this is two sides of an argument agreeing to disagree this is an internet flamewar time capsule courtesy of wikipedia s unique process of collaborative distillation this is a competition of who has the wit and strength of argument to verbally crush the opposition and grab the fluttering elusive holy grail of the last word this is the purified essence of an episode of crossfire written down this is a train wreck you can easily imagine the exact painful process that went on in here some editor did the unthinkable and wrote something that somehow somewhere on the internet someone disagrees with and that someone came across the article in question and did that which must be done when someone is wrong on the internet 1 delivered a crushing rebuttal that however is a staple of the typical netizen crushing rebuttal pfah right you could blabber and claim everything that s been written so far however that s all hogwash when you consider the brilliant counter argument herein then of course comes the third editor and the fourth and the fifth and the nth in particularly bad cases one statement is not enough sometimes the one true position must be heard across the whole article so that the reader will not miss the truth and thus begins the great tacking on of the piecewise propaganda pamphlet the article turns into a wasteland of crippled convoluted paragraphs their hearts bleeding bitter blood having been pierced with the mighty sword of however and atop them stands some sort of horrible violation of the neutral point of view and black clouds gather ominously overhead complete with sinister lightning crackles and god help you if the great tacking on is met with an equal and opposite reaction how to fix edit what can you do well one quick first aid solution to pull a section out of thread mode is to segregate the cases for the two positions such that position a gets to state its main arguments then position b gets to state its main arguments with neither being in the face of either now instead of a blitzkrieg of contrarian interruptions we ll have two or more coherent opposing op eds which is progress ultimately you might want to rewrite the whole thing so that it has some sort of narrative backbone rather than drawing on the controversy s shouting back and forth then of course you can let some side of the controversy say something here and there carefully when it is their place to be heard and to the degree they are relevant you know thesis antithesis synthesis a good rule of thumb is if a position is notable and reasonable enough to be represented in an article it is notable and reasonable enough to be represented without being instantly however ed encyclopedias should not read like compressed forum threads see also edit wikipedia neutral point of view policy wikipedia manual of style words to watch guideline wikipedia tendentious editing essay wikipedia don t teach the controversy essay wikipedia neutrality of sources essay wikipedia pro and con lists essay references edit xkcd duty calls v t e wikipedia essays building editing and deletion philosophy articles are more important than policy articles must be written all five pillars are equally important avoid vague introductions civil pov pushing cohesion competence is required concede lost arguments content philosophies dissent is not disloyalty don t lie don t search for objections duty to comply editing wikipedia is like visiting a foreign country editors will sometimes be wrong eight simple rules for editing our encyclopedia explanationism external criticism of wikipedia galileo complex here to build an encyclopedia leave it to the experienced let it cool before proposing a rule levels of competence levels of consensus most ideas are bad need not broken is ugly not editing because of wikipedia restriction not every article can be a featured article the one question oversimplification paradoxes pave the path paraphrasing parallelism pov and or from editors sources and fields process is important product process policy purpose reasonability rule systemic bias there is no seniority ten simple rules for editing wikipedia tendentious editing the role of policies in collaborative anarchy the rules are principles trifecta we are absolutely here to right great wrongs wikipedia in brief wikipedia is an encyclopedia wikipedia is a community wikipedia is not rationalwiki wikipedia is written by humans for humans yes wikipedia is indeed a bureaucracy article construction 100k featured articles abandoned stubs acronym overkill adding images improves the encyclopedia advanced text formatting akin s laws of article writing alternatives to the expand template amnesia test a navbox on every page an unfinished house is a real problem archive your sources article revisions articles have a half life autosizing images avoid mission statements be neutral in form beef up that first revision blind men and an elephant bold revert discuss cycle build content to endure cargoculting cherrypicking chesterton s fence children s lit adult new readers large print books citation overkill citation underkill common style fallacy concept cloud creating controversial content criticisms of society may be consistent with npov and reliability dictionaries as sources don t cite wikipedia on wikipedia don t demolish the house while it s still being built don t get hung up on minor details don t hope the house will build itself don t panic don t teach the controversy editing on mobile devices editors are not mindreaders encourage the newcomers endorsements commercial featured articles may have problems formatting bilateral relations articles formatting bilateral relations templates fruit of the poisonous tree give an article a chance gotfryd custom how to write a featured article identifying and using independent sources history sources law sources primary sources science sources style guides tertiary sources ignore strongnat for date formats introduction to structurism link rot mine a source merge test minors and persons judged incompetent murder of articles not every story event disaster needs a biography not everything needs a navbox not everything needs a template nothing is in stone obtain peer review comments organizing disambiguation pages by subject area permastub potential not just current state presentism principle of some astonishment the problem with elegant variation pro and con lists printability publicists put a little effort into it restoring part of a reverted edit robotic editing sham consensus source your plot summaries specialized style fallacy spoons versus forks stublet stub makers run an edit a thon temporary versions of articles tertiary source fallacy there are no shortcuts to neutrality there is no deadline there is a deadline the deadline is now topics to avoid try not to leave it a stub what is a reliable source understanding wikipedia s content standards walled garden what an article should not include wikipedia is a work in progress wikipedia is not being written in an organized fashion the world will not end tomorrow write the article first writing better articles content additions avoid thread mode copyediting reception sections coup don t throw more litter onto the pile gender neutral language metacoverage myth vs fiction no trojan horses proseline reading in a flow state turning biology research into a wikipedia article use our own words we shouldn t be able to figure out your opinions write the article first writing about women writing better articles deletion adjectives in your recommendations afd is not a war zone arguments to avoid in deletion discussions arguments to avoid in deletion reviews arguments to avoid in image deletion discussions arguments to make in deletion discussions avoid repeated arguments before commenting in a deletion discussion but there must be sources confusing arguments mean nothing content removal counting and sorting are not original research delete or merge delete the junk deletion is not cleanup does deletion help does merging help don t attack the nominator don t confuse stub status with non notability don t overuse shortcuts to policy and guidelines to win your argument emptying categories out of process follow the leader how the presumption of notability works how to save an article nominated for deletion i just don t like it identifying blatant advertising identifying test edits immunity keep it concise liar liar pants on fire no encyclopedic use notability is not everything nothing nothing is clear overzealous deletion relisting can be abusive relist bias the heymann standard unopposed afd discussion wikipedia is not whack a mole why was the page i created deleted what to do if your article gets tagged for speedy deletion when in doubt hide it in the woodwork zombie page civility the basics accepting other users apology autistic editors being right isn t enough contributing to complicated discussions divisiveness don t retaliate editors pronouns edit at your own pace encouraging the newcomers enjoy yourself expect no thanks how to be civil maintaining a friendly space negotiation obsessive compulsive disorder editors please say please relationships with academic editors thank you too long didn t read truce unblock perspectives we are all wikipedians here you have a right to remain silent philosophy a thank you never hurts a weak personal attack is still wrong advice for hotheads an uncivil environment is a poor environment be the glue beware of the tigers civility warnings deletion as revenge dgg s two comment rule duty to comply failure forgive and forget it s not the end of the world nobody cares most people who disagree with you on content are not vandals on wikipedia no one knows you re a dog old fashioned wikipedian values profanity civility and discussions revert notification opt out shadowless fists of death staying cool when the editing gets hot the grey zone the last word there is no divine right of editors most ideas are bad nothing is clear reader the rules of polite discourse there is no common sense two wrongs don t make a right wikipedia clichés wikipedia is not about winning wikipedia should not be a monopoly writing for the opponent dos assume good faith assume the assumption of good faith assume no clue avoid personal remarks avoid the word vandal be a humble article creator be excellent to one another be pragmatic beyond civility call a spade a spade candor deny recognition desist discussing cruft drop the stick and back slowly away from the horse carcass encourage full discussions get over it how to lose imagine others complexly just drop it keep it concise keep it down to earth mind your own business say moby mutual withdrawal read before commenting read the room settle the process first wikipedia stop it you can search too don ts because i can civil pov pushing cyberbullying don t accuse someone of a personal attack for accusing of a personal attack don t be a fanatic don t be a jerk don t be an ostrich don t be ashamed don t be a wikibigot don t be high maintenance don t be inconsiderate don t be obnoxious don t be prejudiced don t be rude don t be the fun police don t bludgeon the process don t call a spade a spade don t call people by their real name don t call the kettle black don t call things cruft don t come down like a ton of bricks don t cry coi don t demand that editors solve the problems they identify don t eat the troll s food don t expect others to remember your pinging rules don t fight fire with fire don t give a fuck don t help too much don t ignore community consensus don t knit beside the guillotine don t make a smarmy valediction part of your signature don t remind others of past misdeeds don t shout don t spite your face don t take the bait don t teach your grandmother to suck eggs don t template the regulars don t throw your toys out of the pram don t tilt at windmills do not insult the vandals griefing hate is disruptive jew tagging nationalist editing no angry mastodons just madmen no ableism no confederates no nazis no queerphobia no racists no trojan horses no you can t have a pony passive aggression pov railroad sealawyering superhatting there are no oracles there s no need to guess someone s preferred pronouns you can t squeeze blood from a turnip uppercase wikirelations wikibullying wikicrime wikiharassment wikihate wikilawyering wikilove wikipeace neutrality academic bias activist advocacy avoid thread mode be neutral in form blind men and an elephant cherrypicking civil pov pushing coatrack controversial articles creating controversial content criticisms of 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