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the communications workers of america not something called wiki workers united wbm1058 talk 14 56 4 september 2026 utc reply wiki workers united is affiliated with cwa local 9415 superpianoman9167 talk 15 00 4 september 2026 utc reply ok so they joined the oakland california based local though presumably most of them don t live or work in oakland or probably even in california for that matter due to covid 19 and until further notice all membership meetings will be held via zoom so i guess that matters less what other bay area employers have workers in this local i have unanswered questions too but am less concerned about the questions asked below wbm1058 talk 15 36 4 september 2026 utc reply wwu seems to me more like a campaign not a union itself perhaps affiliated with the campaign to organize digital employees wbm1058 talk 15 46 4 september 2026 utc reply wwu us cwa is the bargaining unit and it will negotiate with wmf the affiliation to local 9415 is an internal governance matter of communication workers of america and determined questions like financing of the union staffers lawyers and eventually the union dues of members once a collective agreement is negotiated so it is all of the above in solidarity shushugah talk 20 48 4 september 2026 utc reply wikipedia workers unionize for the first time gråbergs gråa sång talk 04 56 4 september 2026 utc reply glad to see this but it ultimately doesn t change much i m still frustrated we don t have the date littler was hired among many other unanswered questions i ll hear the wmf out in case they wanted to wait until after the vote was finished if they start to engage now but given the pr slop message on bernadette s talk page on meta i m not optimistic skarmory talk contribs 07 07 4 september 2026 utc reply i expect something from the wmf to be posted here soon on that question i have encouraged them to be as transparent and open as possible to the point of it feeling uncomfortable and they don t disagree the quiet period is over now obviously and we move on to the next phase as for me i welcome the result and i m happy that it s clear what i d love to see from everyone is kindness and assuming good faith and of course by that i mean both the wmf and their critics i was happy to see the union acknowledging the wmf s good actions here and i hope the critics will take that to heart preceding unsigned comment added by jimbo wales talk contribs 10 04 5 september 2026 utc reply what do you as a member of the board hope the wmf will take to heart cmd talk 12 25 6 september 2026 utc reply the need for transparency as much as is possible jimbo wales talk 06 11 8 september 2026 utc reply i hope so too cmd talk 08 52 8 september 2026 utc reply any news on that post from the wmf parabolist talk 04 05 11 september 2026 utc reply yeah i would also like to know if we have any sort of timeline on the post i can understand it taking a while if they re making a very real effort to address our concerns but it would be nice to know that s what s actually happening given that they haven t given us anything other than pr speak so far i m trying to assume good faith here but it s hard when the wmf is barely communicating what they have given us so far is a bunch of pr speak that isn t human isn t transparent and per meta wwufactcheck isn t entirely truthful someone doing that on wikipedia itself would be pretty likely to find themselves blocked eventually because they would ve exhausted all the good faith afforded to them skarmory talk contribs 08 42 14 september 2026 utc reply article on en wp and israel latest comment 9 days ago 5 comments 3 people in discussion wikipedia as infrastructure for knowledge poisoning bias mechanisms and countermeasures from institute for national security studies israel it s very long so i haven t read it but there might be something interesting in there gråbergs gråa sång talk 14 56 10 september 2026 utc reply thanks i ve read about 10 of it so far and i agree with you it looks interesting i think we do have a lot of problems around npov not just in this area and i really want to bring about a wider community conversation about how we can improve i don t know where this particular piece is going but i want us all to grapple with the issue jimbo wales talk 15 03 11 september 2026 utc reply it is perhaps useful to know that the author has a long history of writing articles critical of wikipedia s coverage of israel compare wikipedia wikipedia signpost 2024 03 29 special report for a previous one kusma talk 16 09 11 september 2026 utc reply yes but it s possible to both be critical of wikipedia and also to be interesting and right on a particular point jimbo wales talk 16 19 11 september 2026 utc reply that is possible even if the article pov is how do we make en wp better for israel it may have useful points gråbergs gråa sång talk 16 27 11 september 2026 utc reply from 20 years ago jimmy wales has a discussion with dale hoiberg editor in chief of britannica latest comment 7 days ago 1 comment 1 person in discussion will wikipedia mean the end of traditional encyclopedias the wall street journal september 12 2006 guy macon talk 18 13 13 september 2026 utc reply the signpost 16 september 2026 latest comment 5 days ago 1 comment 1 person in discussion news and notes the balance of power wikimedia employees unionize officer departs the signpost gains sister on wiktionary in the media shocking photos may be changed on wikipedia the image gallery anyone can edit disinformation report have un secretary general candidates manipulated wikipedia speaking diplomatically not all of them recent research google s ai overviews may have reduced search engine referrals to english wikipedia by 5 and other research findings wikiconference report the backwater symbiosis reflections from wiki conference india 2026 the fourth iteration of wiki conference india traffic report heaven let your light shine down the recently deceased dominate while still leaving room for some entertainment serendipity wikipedia family mosh pit a poem by mollystarkdean obituary passing of gobonobo community leader advocating for women and minorities promoter of cultural knowledge and organizer of global cooperation on the bright side fantasy video games hopeful science fiction and the change of seasons the legend of zelda star trek and vivaldi s the four seasons comix the adventure of the unknown corpse an elementary case for fiction s greatest detective read this signpost in full single page unsubscribe mediawiki message delivery talk 02 07 16 september 2026 utc reply user talk doug weller update latest comment 4 days ago 1 comment 1 person in discussion doug will not be with us for much longer for those who wish to say something gråbergs gråa sång talk 14 55 16 september 2026 utc reply update on staff union vote and information from wmf latest comment 1 day ago 26 comments 13 people in discussion hi all sorry it s taken me so long to get this the fault is mine as i ve been extremely busy but i also wanted to have a direct conversation with the team at wmf to make really sure that i wouldn t get something wrong and cause any confusion i have now spoken extensively with the team about when littler was hired and other questions that we ve received from the community attorneys at littler were hired in april to help answer questions about the unionization process and prepare the organization for the legal responsibilities that it might require again i know and fully appreciate the concerns about littler s other clients as you know i shared those concerns earlier the wikimedia foundation is a very complex global workforce and attorneys there were hired to provide legal advice and analysis on managing this complexity they do not make decisions for the foundation that is the role of the leaders at the foundation they make those decisions based on the details of wikimedia s staff across countries legal responsibilities and values i am satisfied that they have not and will not take any approach that conflicts with our values i said before that my hope was that this would be done as quickly and efficiently as possible i m happy that this has happened the foundation reached an agreement with the union to avoid a hearing or delay the vote the foundation agreed to include every role requested by the cwa after discussing the scope of the unit with the union from the time the request for a vote was made by cwa the vote took place in just under a month and a half and there were no delays thank goodness foundation leadership remained neutral throughout this period and staff even said so i really appreciate that it also meant that they were rigorous about being quiet about everything during that time almost anything might be interpreted as campaigning in some way so i m glad they were quiet foundation leadership said repeatedly during this process that if staff voted to unionize then leadership would respect the results of that decision immediately after the election results just as they promised they would foundation leadership clearly stated in messages to staff community and a public statement that they respect staff s vote to unionize the foundation immediately committed to bargaining in good faith and approaching next steps with respect that should be mutual at this point rather than coming up with elaborate schemes about the foundation s intent i want to encourage everyone to look at the facts there was no union busting here and requesting a vote so that all staff voices can be heard and represented in a democratic vote with a secret ballot election is very in line with our values it s worth noting that i was personally strongly supportive of this before and during the process and i m proud of it you don t judge whether a democratic process is necessary based on which direction people end up voting there are a lot of steps ahead and we all need to enter this process with assuming good faith because we are actually on the same side here the movement is a lot of people with a lot of interests there are the staff of the wmf there s the management of the wmf there are the chapters and affiliates and their staff and management there are the readers the donors and probably most important of all there are all of us the wikipedians across the entirety of the world when we re healthy as a community we engage in disagreements with kindness with respect with the assumption of good faith and with forgiveness for mistakes made we re on the same side because we re here for the same reason free knowledge for everyone in their own language let s not forget that jimbo wales talk 15 14 18 september 2026 utc reply hello jimbo thanks for confirming in the open about what we ve heard from staff the foundation changed its strategy to one of neutrality during the vote after a period of campaigning expressing opinions against the union before the rapid vote and a more inclusive bargaining unit at least for the very narrow us standards is also really good news these were welcome changes as staff did not feel safe in the preceding period this update does not answer the pressing questions that the community has been asking some of which you already indicated you would get clarity on if not littler where did the anti union talking points come from is there a second law firm or consultancy involved in any part of this process has the foundation started looking for an alternative law firms that pose less reputational risk risk to donor income how much donor money have we lost roughly due to the choice of littler and the initial anti union strategy is it the plan for littler to help in the negotiations will the foundation continue this very welcome strategy of neutrality in other regions in solidarity femke talk 16 22 18 september 2026 utc reply 1 anyone who doesn t see this as an issue with pros and cons hasn t really thought it through in my view i ll throw the question back at you what would you personally consider to be unreasonable demands from the union in the forthcoming contract negotations if literally anything that the foundation negotiates for is automatically wrong then i m afraid that s not a serious position there many stakeholders here and an important one is the us staff of the wikimedia foundation an important one but we should demand balance and concern for the entire movement 2 i don t know 3 there s no way to even approach this question i would say that it is not material in the grand scheme of things time will tell but if i had to guess given my long experience here there will be no impact at all in the long or short run the biggest issue surrounding donations is the decline in traffic due to the changing nature of search everything else is a footnote 4 i don t know but the core point is that littler does not dictate foundation policy look it d be pretty impossible to find a big law firm with sufficient global experience that hasn t taken a side that we don t agree with an analogy that might be helpful criminal defense lawyers defend murderers routinely a mature and thoughtful approach to thinking about law firms would say that we should have high quality legal representation with relevant expertise law firms don t tell us what to do they advise us on law 5 as far as i know yes jimbo wales talk 21 27 18 september 2026 utc reply the question being thrown back in 1 doesn t really connect with the question of 1 unions make unreasonable demands all the time but that has nothing to do with official anti union talking points in an ununionised workspace cmd talk 23 08 18 september 2026 utc reply i think it connects in the sense that it wouldn t require outside consultants for management to take an early view that this would not be a good move we can disagree with that early view without assuming anything about there being anyone at a law firm driving talking points jimbo wales talk 18 47 19 september 2026 utc reply would you be able to confirm if there is another law firm involved it is possible that these anti union talking points came from inside the leadership team i hope not as i consider this aversion to unions anti democratic and not in line with what i expect of our leaders neutrally tallying pros and cons is not what was done initially the communication only contained arguments against unions i m not sure how it relates to my question but of course there are things i do not want the union to do such as arguing against hiring outside of the us in a period where we can expect a decline in income hiring in pleas cheaper places like france is essential fortunately wwu is global so i m not worried could you ask one strategy that the fundraising team is using to compensate for falling numbers is to get more recurring donors which requires us to have a positive brand an imperfect proxy for money lost is the number of recurring donors who stopped donating and indicated why it will be a lower bound on the income lost but an imp...
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