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ame paragraph after my addition none of them found anything wrong with it 1 ladakh 2 ladakh however i ll avoid adding this type of paragraph diff 36 that is based on gordon t bowles s claim mentioned in sources their origin ancestry from aryans of indian origin since allegations of llm misuse were mentioned in the filing i write these articles offline in the notes app on mobile in 2 3 parts combined afterward and then copy paste them to the main wikipedia as i prefer to add a large amount of content at once rather than making many edits like i added aprox 20 000 bytes in one single edit i wrote this section offline on mobile mstl s editing is problematic enough i believe there was a misunderstanding as i did not do cause any disruption in ctop especially since i have not received any warning for any sort of disruption all of this is sourced to non rs sources fringe predatory etc no reliable method exists to identify predatory journals before citing them some were added by ta accounts before protection one i removed after asking here mstl talk 00 14 18 september 2026 utc reply i would like to withdraw this request as discussed on newslinger s talk page mstl talk 23 52 18 september 2026 utc reply notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested 15 september 2026 discussion concerning gotitbro edit statements must be made in separate sections they may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs except by permission of a reviewing administrator administrators may remove or shorten noncompliant statements disruptive contributions may result in blocks statement by gotitbro edit gotitbro s statement contains 451 words and complies with the 500 word limit i haven t interacted with the filer at all beyond telling them at wp inb pinged by fylindfotberserk that aryan race pseudoscience and sources related to that nonsense are not acceptable at enwiki he further claimed mention of aryan ancestry origin is not allowed well of course stunning wp boomerang addressing the baseless cherrypicking trawling through my edit history hoping to stick something ae in fact there was no hounding according to not per the linked discussion to be noted that the filer has never been at ani before or ae or had any interaction with the tbanned editor they re defending reverting a disruptive user indigo92 now blocked blanking content and adding or to multiple articles wp v fail in the entire body for ancestry wp ethnicity for the lead applies regardless and not to ignore the pov blanking in the same edits for which the user got blocked generic comment concerning similar editorial behavior by ips in the context that the filer converted multiple obscure wp ct caste redirects created by socks ip socks into articles containing aryan racial fringe e g rd by sock rd by sock then there are ips tas expanding the filer s articles etc i stand by my concerns edit warning at nathan cofnas these are unrelated edits concerning race science fringe being inserted by different ips new accounts explicitly against consensus at talk nathan cofnas unsurprising to see the defense for race science against consensus by the filer personal attack rebuffing aryan race science is of course not a personal attack misrepresentation of wp rope the rope was that the filer desist with the aryan race nonsense they ve added to multiple articles lest they be told by the wider community for why their edits are not tolerable no lessons learnt entirely irrelevant content issue if an issue at all just looking to stick something here caste and genetics there is a long running implied consensus among the community that we do not add the latter to the former elaborated at the linked discussion above the filer who s trying to overturn this should seek community consensus otherwise at inb etc the lack of substance in previous ae reports has been noted by the reviewers the previous blocks aren t relevant and have nothing to do with the topic see now detailing the severe racialist fringe added by the filer at diff articles emphasis mine according to historian dilip patel gurjars belong to the aryan race with typical aryan features like fair skin strong bodies good height and distinctive facial traits they re considered pure aryan with no racial mix their physical characteristics include straight noses long faces and broad foreheads and matching aryan descriptions according to dharma kumar gurjars are racially linked to central asian tribes the present güjars of the punjab and of the united provinces preserve more of their foreign traits than the güjar settlers further to the south and east though better looking the punjab gujars in language dress and calling so closely resemble their associates the jats or jats as to suggest that the two tribes entered india about the same time scholars like d r cornik and dr r c majumdhar states that gurjars belong to the aryan race based on studies of facial features biology and blood they found gurjars have close similarities with early indian people and other aryan communities and are not of foreign origin they are tall and well built and their facial features clearly resemble those of jewish people i agree with sir george campbell that they are an aryan race but their countenance cannot be called high aryan their forehead is narrow they want the well formed brow of the finer races the lower part of the face is narrow also but the nose has always something of the curve as is often seen in aryan nations among himachali gurjars the cephalic index head shapes is distributed as follows 16 have hyperbrachycephaly heads 54 have dolichocephaly head 26 have mesocephaly heads and 4 brachycephaly heads among the himachali gurjars light to light brown skin colour is the most common almost 46 6 of gurjars have light brown skin colour which is the highest rate compared to other groups in himachal pradesh other main ethnic groups include ladakhi boto changpa brokpa mon argon balti dard gara beda purik shina and some other tribes of mongloid origin according to bowles gurjars of swat district are the original and oldest inhabitants and they belong to the aryan race of the indians all of this is sourced to non rs sources fringe predatory etc with no distinction between rs and non rs by the filer defending the use of wp raj era sources which the community considers non rs not least for the race science reasons above the purpose here appears solely to povpush for a caste and race science other fringe for it beyond a boomerang extensive cleanup is needed for any caste article edited by the filer gotitbro talk 08 19 16 september 2026 utc reply statement by cdjp1 edit in this edit summary for a later edit in gurjars in khyber pakhtunkhwa while mstl is right that wp raj is just an essay seeking to add in raj source about caste in the bibliography acting as a further reading section in this article of an article about a caste group is concerning when we consider their additional edits relating to an aryan race their next edit to that article from spot checking seems fine and supported by good sources i would also point out how the attributed individuals in the quotes highlighted by gotitbro show some themes bowles is an anthropologist who died in 1980 and the work that the references cite to was published in 1977 1978 so while bowles may have been correct as he may have been referring to aryan not aryan race i will need to see if i have access to the book later this is someone who was educated in the 1930s and 1940s and who s writing is now almost 50 years old in itself not an issue but it must be handled carefully and especially so in this ctop next we have r c majumdar who is a historian from the nationalist school of indian historiography which in itself is not an issue but his work has been criticised for its hindutva leanings here the report cited is strange as it cites the book race and culture in india but r c majumdar did not publish any such titled work so on that alone i would suggest that the report should not be cited regardless of the ctop it is used in i am unable to identify who dr cornik is from the report cited so the themes are choosing to add opinions of older scholars and scholars who have political religious nationalist views cdjp1 talk 14 16 17 september 2026 utc reply for the record as i have the word count left replying to mstl s questions on my talkpage regarding my comment i would point to the guideline wp contextmatters and the essay wikipedia verifiability does not guarantee inclusion as my comment pointed to saying a group are aryan or an aryan race can be very different statements while journal articles are generally wp rs it does not guarantee they do not push bullshit as an example there are still many papers published that push attempt to push race science into respectability on the note of d r cornik yes that report mentioned they said something but who are they what makes their opinion relevant do me have multiple sources showing they are someone worth noting the opinion of beyond that as i pointed out the reliability of that report may be questionable considering the claim of a literay jewel written by majumdar when he wrote no book with the title the report references cdjp1 talk 07 43 18 september 2026 utc reply that being said it is good to see mstl s willingness to engage with other editors and adjust work when concerns are raised cdjp1 talk 07 47 18 september 2026 utc reply statement by username edit result concerning gotitbro edit this section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators comments by others will be moved to the sections above this filing is severely flawed for example diff 2 shows gotitbro reverting the removal of multiple instances of the indian descriptor from the article mohammad ali jauhar by indigo92 talk contribs who was indefinitely blocked for ethnonationalist pov pushing after gotitbro filed a report on the incidents noticeboard with 44 diffs showing indigo92 s disruptive editing including indigo92 s edits to the mohammad ali jauhar article mstl portraying that as a violation by gotitbro brings into question mstl s suitability to edit within the topic area gotitbro s statement lists a number of examples of mstl engaging in the unwarranted promotion of fringe theories including the repeated addition of claims associating ethnic groups with the terms aryan race described in the corresponding article as a pseudoscientific historical race concept that was later adopted by various racist and antisemitic writers and mongloid described in the corresponding article as a term derived from a now disproven theory of biological race that was further developed by western scholars in the context of racist ideologies the fact that the corresponding articles describe these terms as pseudoscientific disproven and associated with racist ideologies should have made mstl aware that their use of the terms in this manner was not compliant with wp profringe especially considering that mstl linked to those same articles in the content they added since allegations of llm misuse were mentioned in the filing mstl should explain how they were able to make this series of edits on the mobile website some of which are only a few minutes apart from one another despite being considerable in size including an edit that added 48 117 bytes three of these edits also contain undefined references which indicate that the content was likely copied and pasted from an external location mstl s editing is problematic enough that i support a topic ban of mstl from wp ct caste caste related topics in south asia based on the filing and gotitbro s statement i do not see sufficient grounds to issue a sanction against gotitbro newslinger talk 22 40 16 september 2026 utc reply i have approved mstl s word limit extension request submitted on my talk page and increased mstl s word limit by 200 words to a total of 700 for the purpose of allowing mstl to respond to comments about their own conduct newslinger talk 21 03 17 september 2026 utc reply when i look further back into mstl s earlier editing history i see that there are too many grammatical errors in mstl s large article space edits for them to be plausibly llm generated regarding mstl s diff labeled false allegations of llm use comment link gotitbro s allegation in the wt india discussion is i also have no reason that you understand any of the p g you ve cited above which appear entirely llm generated and are mostly unrelated to the issue at hand the most glaring issue with mstl s comments that gotitbro referred to is that the shortcuts that begin with w e g w censor w caste and w afdformat are invalid because the correct abbreviation for the wikipedia namespace is wp however while invalid project space links could be llm generated errors mstl did not link to these shortcuts and could have simply typed them incorrectly also noting that mstl repeatedly misspelled kautilya3 s username in the discussion i find it unlikely that mstl s comments there were llm generated because of this i support a reminder for gotitbro that allegations of llm misuse should be accompanied with evidence at the same time and mere suspicion of llm misuse that is unaccompanied by supporting evidence is more appropriately asked as a question than phrased as a statement aside from this one point the rest of mstl s filing is not particularly strong it is unclear why mstl included diffs at nathan cofnas and category 1988 executions of iranian political prisoners that are outside the filing s wp ct sa scope the diffs for the nathan cofnas article mentions controversies surrounding his advocacy of scientific racism which is tangentially related to mstl s use of the aryan race and mongloid terms in wp ct sa articles but the executions category appears entirely unrelated gotitbro referring to a previously mentioned group of temporary accounts editing the gujari article diff 3 is not casting aspersions i prefer not to invoke wp cir against other editors because it can be inflammatory and advise gotitbro to avoid invoking it as well but when competence wp cir is currently being invoked 18 times on wp ani there is not enough community support for treating it as a sanctionable offense mstl recommended starting a discussion at wp ani a conduct oriented noticeboard not suitable for resolving content disputes five times to settle the dispute and after gotitbro expressed an intent to start an ani discussion mstl submitted this rather insubstantial ae filing against gotitbro however while i was typing this comment mstl posted a comment on my talk page indicating that they would like to withdraw this ae filing and acknowledging the feedback in this discussion which shows reflection in light of this i support a logged warning for mstl to avoid the unwarranted promotion of fringe theories within wp ct caste instead of a topic ban newslinger talk 00 16 19 september 2026 utc reply arbitration enforcement action appeal by 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