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20 semi protected edit request on 22 september 2026 2 comments toggle the table of contents talk a add languages page contents not supported in other languages add topic article talk english read edit view history tools tools move to sidebar hide actions read edit add topic view history general what links here related changes upload file permanent link page information get shortened url switch to legacy parser print export download as pdf printable version in other projects appearance move to sidebar hide from wikipedia the free encyclopedia latest comment 1 hour ago by drmies in topic semi protected edit request on 22 september 2026 this is the talk page of the article for the latin letter a due to subpage conventions about titles containing you may have gotten here by accident from the talk page for any article whose title begins with a this is the talk page for discussing improvements to the a article this is not a forum for general discussion of the subject of the article add new text under old text new to wikipedia welcome learn to edit get help start a new topic assume good faith be polite and avoid personal attacks be welcoming to newcomers seek dispute resolution if needed article policies neutral point of view no original research verifiability find sources google books news scholar free images wp refs fens jstor twl archives 1 2 this article is rated c class on wikipedia s content assessment scale it is of interest to the following wikiprojects spoken wikipedia this article is within the scope of wikiproject spoken wikipedia a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of spoken articles on wikipedia if you would like to participate please visit the project page where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks spoken wikipedia wikipedia wikiproject spoken wikipedia template wikiproject spoken wikipedia spoken wikipedia writing systems low importance writing portal this article falls within the scope of wikiproject writing systems a wikiproject interested in improving the encyclopaedic coverage and content of articles relating to writing systems on wikipedia if you would like to help out you are welcome to drop by the project page and or leave a query at the project s talk page writing systems wikipedia wikiproject writing systems template wikiproject writing systems writing system low this article has been rated as low importance on the project s importance scale removal of the gifs and see below edit latest comment 3 years ago 6 comments 4 people in discussion future perfect at sunrise why were the gifs removed i thought they were fine and were a nice addition to the pages saying they were ugly feels really unfair and bias legoldenboots talk 14 49 19 may 2023 utc reply imo they should be included in the article the gif provides useful information on how the strokes in the letter a are formed it also provides cursive variants of the letter a and is a handy snippet of information i think this change needs consensus before re adding carpimaps talk 15 31 19 may 2023 utc reply first animated gifs are almost always problematic they are visually distracting and they are useless in non online presentation forms of articles e g print spin offs etc for this particular set they just give undue weight to one particular form of each letter that is actually quite marginal these are not the cursive form they represent one cursive form that has been used in one particular tradition of school teaching in one single country in the world for a few decades the d nealian method used in us schools why pick out this one form of the letters and give it pride of place in the infoboxes why not other forms that were actually far more impactful historically what about the uncial the carolingian minuscule the fraktur the italic the kurrent there are dozens upon dozens of characteristic styles of handwriting for each letter why pick out this particular model that s relevant for nobody except american school children and then include it without even an informative caption telling the reader what it is i have no objection to re adding them somewhere further down in the article if they can be contextualized there through comparison with other representative styles but really this should just be handled on the page where it belongs at d nealian fut perf 16 04 19 may 2023 utc reply after seeing the article with and without the animated cursive letter the article is better without the animation can be included further down but not in the infobox the animation implies that this is the correct way to draw a cursive letter we have no business being so prescriptive and we have a policy on this wp nothowto anachronist talk 16 47 19 may 2023 utc reply i agree it should be placed somewhere else other than the infobox and indicated that it is the d nealian method more clearly than it was before deletion is way too harsh legoldenboots talk 02 23 22 may 2023 utc reply after seeing the rationale i agree that it should be placed later in the article however i still am opposed to outright deletion though carpimaps talk 00 18 20 may 2023 utc reply somebody fix the glyph edit latest comment 2 years ago 9 comments 5 people in discussion modern italic a modern italic a scaled to 25 in a typographic variants the image of modern italic a is truncated cutting off the right half of the lowercase a anachronist talk 01 13 7 september 2023 utc reply looks ok to me i have added a thumbnail here are you seeing the same issue 𝕁𝕄𝔽 talk 11 07 7 september 2023 utc reply curious where it is resized i see an entire single storey a otherwise i see the first half of a two storey a perhaps the svg s specification of a font is flawed tamfang talk 04 31 24 september 2023 utc reply i think we should change the svg because i am having the exact same problem aoscf77 talk 12 48 8 december 2023 utc reply i have now added a reduced to 25 of default size image on the left and it still looks ok surely once the svg has been made that s it svgs are not dynamic afaik certainly not this one what you see is what they get 𝕁𝕄𝔽 talk 13 18 8 december 2023 utc reply here is the table again except that i ve moved the italic as to the left typographic variants include a double storey a and single storey ɑ blackletter a uncial a another blackletter a modern italic a modern roman a modern script a is the roman a affected instead 𝕁𝕄𝔽 talk 13 18 8 december 2023 utc reply i see the italic a exactly the same all the other ones are fine aoscf77 talk 13 26 8 december 2023 utc reply looks like the file modern italic a svg just contains a text span with a string of aa and font setting of times new roman which isn t a supported free font available to the mediawiki renderer this should be replaced with a graphical path fut perf 15 38 8 december 2023 utc reply i ve done this now display should be fixed once the cache is updated fut perf 09 41 11 december 2023 utc reply semi protected edit request on 8 december 2023 edit latest comment 2 years ago 2 comments 2 people in discussion this edit request has been answered set the answered parameter to no to reactivate your request 154 121 107 69 talk 13 49 8 december 2023 utc reply not done it s not clear what changes you want to be made please mention the specific changes in a change x to y format and provide a reliable source if appropriate liu1126 talk 15 16 8 december 2023 utc reply change edit latest comment 2 years ago 2 comments 2 people in discussion you could add a use in kids literacy is a is for apple or something similar notsayingmyname talk 02 33 10 december 2023 utc reply done 3df talk 04 43 17 december 2023 utc reply edit request edit latest comment 2 years ago 2 comments 2 people in discussion this edit request has been answered set the answered parameter to no to reactivate your request please change the word vowel to vowel letter in the lead sentence to maintain the consistency 2001 ee0 4bc7 e310 b50c 773b 1a40 16ba talk 10 52 3 february 2024 utc reply done graystorm talk contributions 20 47 3 february 2024 utc reply proposed deletion of section in this and all the alphabet edit latest comment 2 years ago 12 comments 5 people in discussion the article has a section computing that contains this table character information preview a a ɑ unicode name latin capital letter a latin small letter a latin small letter alpha encodings decimal hex dec hex dec hex unicode 65 u 0041 97 u 0061 593 u 0251 utf 8 65 41 97 61 201 145 c9 91 numeric character reference 65 x41 97 x61 593 x251 ebcdic family 193 c1 129 81 ascii 1 65 41 97 61 1 also for encodings based on ascii including the dos windows iso 8859 and macintosh families of encodings imo this is pedantic clutter in any case but specifically tables are difficult for visitors using screen readers the information is mathematically trivial if anyone really needs to convert hex to decimal there are many apps that will do it the first 127 codepoints of ascii and unicode are identical as is well known and is readily available from either article the utf 8 line is a wp notmanual wp cfork and wp undue violation anybody who wanted that info would start with the utf 8 article the numeric character reference line is even more trivial and useless would anybody put that in a html page unless they were obfuscating ebcdic line is another wp notmanual wp cfork and even more wp undue violation anybody who wanted that info would start with the ebcdic article it is off topic and undue to get bogged down in the details of specific operating systems let alone their codepages or equivalent legacy overhangs conversely the section has no reference to á à â ã ä å etc etc so unless there is a consensus to keep it i propose to replace it with u 0041 a latin capital letter a u 0061 a latin small letter a u 0251 ɑ latin small letter alpha i guess it is the subject of another proposal but we should consider at least recognising that that most languages that use the latin alphabet use diacritics with the letter a and a comments 𝕁𝕄𝔽 talk 21 04 24 march 2024 utc reply i agree i ve always found these tables quite cumbersome i believe part of the problem with them is that they were initially designed to display just the uppercase and lowercase forms of the main topic letter itself e g a and a so they d only have two columns but then somebody started to add entries for all sorts of derived letters and variants to them ending up with tables that had a lot more columns than they had rows which was always awkward and difficult to read i also agree most of the information is either trivial or distracting or both fut perf 21 31 24 march 2024 utc reply agree with the decluttering if we re really needing some additional information we can add it back with avoiding clutter in mind remsense 诉 09 21 25 march 2024 utc reply agree that a lot of the information in these tables is superfluous but rather than trying to update the hundreds of pages that use the template it s probably better to update the template itself recommend moving this discussion to template_talk charmap i don t think it s necessary to cover á à â ã ä å etc because these are covered in their respective articles linked in the related characters section immediately above mibblepedia talk 20 11 29 april 2024 utc reply half and fullwidth form bold revert discuss edit subsection break added retrospectively fullwidth characters should also be mentioned because ａ and ａ redirect here i added them to the computing section and i will add them to the tables for the other letters too for consistency with o but i wouldn t be opposed to move them to related_characters either nickps talk 23 20 6 april 2024 utc reply so in theory glyphs should be mentioned according to wp v and wp npov inclusion in unicode counts a little bit towards both but i think it suffices to say a mention of every code poinr in tus graphically or otherwise related to a would be undue in this article so i really want to get serious here per my project stated below what does the best encyclopedia article about a letter of the latin alphabet consist of esp that s not already here remsense 诉 00 00 7 april 2024 utc reply and wp due so sorry nickps but i m afraid i also disagree with your addition of the half and fullwidth form because it qualifies imo as specialist use or even obsolescent it was for that reason that i considered inappropriate to add the detail spelling out of u 1d538 𝔸 mathematical double struck capital a and u 0251 ɑ latin small letter alpha to variant forms of the letter have codepoints for specialist use in mathematics and in linguistics so i have reverted your edit pending the outcome of this wp brd debate but may i make a compromise proposal how about a revision of that variant forms sentence so that it reads variant forms of the letter have codepoints for specialist use in mathematics in linguistics and for legacy cjk font compatibility the addition of wikilinks makes it less cryptic and easier to explore better 𝕁𝕄𝔽 talk 10 24 7 april 2024 utc reply your proposal looks good to me someone will just have to retarget the fullwidth letter redirects to halfwidth and fullwidth forms i can do it if no one else wants to on second thought since fullwidth characters are still mentioned in this article i won t be retargeting ａ through ｚ if anyone disagrees they can do it themselves 17 00 7 april 2024 utc nickps talk 11 40 7 april 2024 utc reply tyvm appreciated actually my first mental draft had that as target but i thought that the article fullwidth is pitched better for a lay readership but i don t have a strong preference so unless anyone wants to debate it we can go with that version later today 𝕁𝕄𝔽 talk 12 39 7 april 2024 utc reply so wait i m getting the feeling that a for wp a will be a co nomination remsense 诉 14 06 7 april 2024 utc reply that s the one i meant too halfwidth and fullwidth forms halfwidth and fullwidth forms unicode block nickps talk 14 18 7 april 2024 utc reply done 𝕁𝕄𝔽 talk 17 32 7 april 2024 utc reply formatting consensus edit latest comment 2 years ago 3 comments 2 people in discussion so i m not sure what the absolute best approach here is full disclosure i ve officially embarked on making iso basic latin alphabet a good topic except for this article which i will be pursuing a class status for and i want to discuss what the best consistent formatting might be or consistency on layout and content in general should there be a notation difference between graphs and glyphs i m not sure that s necessary remsense 诉 19 18 31 march 2024 utc reply hi remsense i m also interested in improving articles about the alphabet i ve been experimenting with altering the infobox and you can check out what i have so far in my sandbox it s just a prototype and nothing s set in stone and it s missing a lot so let me know if you have any ideas or anything the finished infobox should apply to all graphemes eventually such as including accented characters greek letters etc 3df talk 22 47 29 april 2...
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