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e i don t think i m just ragging on them here from the perspective of the ignored medievalist they picked that period and area because it s the one they know they say early on p xv and indeed their currency with the debates seems pretty clear though of course i m a medievalist so they could probably fool me pretty easily and they have a reasonable preface about the different ways in which people can be wrong about history factual error uncritical adoption of myth or legend the one without historical foundation the other with and controversy of interpretation leading to an as yet unjustified opinion at the least this is thinking work and i m not unfriendly to such books as my occasional mentions of the key medievalist one will have shown one does have to wonder about the title though as far as i can see the authors have chosen their particular misapprehensions to combat largely by meeting them as school or college examiners p xv and fair enough but very few of them meet their own definition of myth indeed popular misunderstandings is only one of the thirteen chapters while in the case of some topics like the carbonari the tonypandy massacre the speenhamland system harold wilson s devaluation of the pound in 1967 the origins of the word dole which they get wrong because of not knowing their ancient history or the ems telegram i doubt that there is any really popular opinion to correct some of these things were unknown to me and i am a historian who tries to talk to his modernist colleagues every now and then and so on probably only someone who has examined history a levels in the uk for a long time is familiar with everything in this book neither often do these popular myths wind up exploded some of them are sustained most of them are conditioned or qualified and a few outright rejected but even in those cases the reasons that people have understood incorrectly are also usually set out and seem reasonable in their own terms so i think the publishers probably have some blame to bear for deciding what would be on the cover of this book and how little relation it might bear to the contents this is not history debunked this is i think two experienced teachers claiming a right to decide what history is 1 despite that the contents often seem pretty good though not always and the bad cases are worrisome as we ll see the balance is about forty sixty between cases where the authors think that the jury must remain out so that the popular misapprehension is that there is an accepted answer and cases where there is an answer and it s not the one the authors think is popularly held each controversy is set up with a short summary rubric then the facts as we know them are set out and the changes in historians interpretations or the reasons for popular misapprehension exposed it s usually clearly and pithily written and it sounds authoritative though it would take a lot of work to dig up the evidence on which they base their conclusions there is a decent looking bibliography pp 437 441 thematically organised and mostly recent and separated into a reading list and a reference list the latter apparently being the support for the authors judgements but hard to link back to them despite that the book would make a good update for someone who studied modern history a generation ago i think though that person might then want to read more than or differently from what he or she is set here that reader would need to be more neutral than the authors indeed whose own prejudices and interests sometimes loom very large in their writing this is in part evident in the selection one or both of them clearly have interests in military history and there is an awful lot of great men stuff but again i don t mind that more problematic are the judgements made in such cases is it really a historian s job to answer such questions as talleyrand was he guided by principle or personal advantage pp 41 43 the latter so no explosion here the last tsar a vicious tyrant pp 53 56 thoughtless more than vicious how deserved was the reputation of president reagan pp 205 208 undeserved but deliberately promoted edwardian england a golden age pp 179 181 not for anyone below gentry level hitler dictator or dreamer pp 319 322 a man without workable plans or the brains to realise that but with the will and opportunity to oppress those who threatened his attempts to bring them about anyway so both disraeli the father of modern conservatism pp 376 379 no the papacy was it soft on fascism and nazism pp 398 402 yes but for the sake of survival or most of all did tony blair betray british socialism pp 420 426 socialism already long dead in britain sez they i could pick many more and they re all matters of opinion as if a historian s proper job is to guide society s moral verdict on its architects or attackers we do of course exist partly to make people feel better about things i admit that even if another part of our point is to make people question everything but these potted verdicts are so inherently subjective that i would expect any reader who can follow them to realise that there s nothing authoritative about them and that one really doesn t need a historian to reach them this is especially worrisome when the authors own prejudices come out they are in general pro britain although only in the twentieth century where all its politicians have apparently done the best they can with limited information except maybe blair an absurd topic to include given that we have only heard most of the evidence while this post has been in draft six years after the book was even revised one of the authors at least however is acutely contemptuous of the usa and this comes out especially in another of these worrying subjective verdict cases mccarthyism did the end justify the means pp 66 70 here i ll quote the most egregious bit p 69 could the same phenomenon recur in american affairs there is little doubt it could the political leadership of the usa and the bulk of the american nation remain intensely patriotic in their feelings they are starry eyed to the point of mawkishness in their love of their homeland whether or not the ideal qualities for which they regularly lay their hands on their hearts are as evident in their lives as they imagine it is their firm belief that foreign states are deplorably feeble and cynical in not sharing their shining patriotic vision to them a clear sighted grasp of america s national interests a single mindedness in their country s interests and a willingness to sacrifice themselves for their country are absolute imperatives producing the same gut impulse to save america as it did fifty years ago against communism in this sense the mccarthyite spirit lives on whatever may the unseen enemy that seems to threaten thair sanctified vision of themselves now this is not history writing it s not even journalism it s just defamation and directed against an individual it would be actionable what is it doing between covers of a book written by people who believe they are correcting misapprehensions with empirical expertise and who can write in that same book p xi the borderline between error and deliberate misrepresentation is uncertain and often blurred sometimes what originated as a simple error has achieved a certain permanence in people s minds because it seems appropriate a myth perhaps even more appropriate than the truth one wants to use phrases involving words like mote and beam here but perhaps the good old wikimedian protest is still the best one randall munroe wikipedian protestor xkcd july 2007 http xkcd com 285 1 the book s cover and online blurb both say ed rayner and ron stapley are history professors and authors of history textbooks the latter is easy to substantiate but i can t get anything out of the web to show the former odd 53 799461 1 600789 6 comments posted in currently reading uncategorized tagged bad history ed rayner education historians and politics reviews ron stapley xkcd leeds imc report for 2015 part 2 posted on 23 august 2016 4 comments back to the conference reportage then and far from the end of that too you can probably imagine how much i want to be through this backlog so i shall launch in and try to be brief but the second day of the 2015 international medieval congress was a good one for me as the sessions i went to covered pretty much the range of my interests and mostly they had people in i ll go out of my way to hear talking too it unrolled like this 539 texts and politics in the long 10th century i the western kingdom horst lößlein establishing rule charles the simple and the cases of western francia and lotharingia fraser mcnair histories in diplomas kings archbishops nobles and the disputes over st servatius s abbey maastricht 898 and 919 ed roberts religious patronage in the reign of louis iv dynasty memory and the monasteries of st corneille and st remi when i started in on this whole research thing there was approximately one chapter about tenth century francia that had been written in my lifetime so it s really good to see people interested in working over the difficult evidence of the period and trying to understand how we got from the imperial break up of 887 to something quite like france germany italy and flanders a century later this is partly the fault of geoff koziol who was invoked in all these papers but the pieces still need assembly 1 each of these speakers had a piece dr lößlein looking at the patterns of attendance at king charles the simple 899 923 s courts and noting that although charles was able to fight and negotiate his way into his secondary kingdom of lotharingia his inability to cow duke robert of neustria his eventual and short lived successor meant that there were large areas of his main kingdom of the west franks where charles could not actually go 2 not just robert s territories too i might have added but the difference is that he had to work with robert nonetheless whereas he could wait for people from south of the loire to come to him fraser an old friend by now appealed to my scholarly heart by pointing out that there are narrative sources for the early tenth century in francia they re just in charters and he showed the different spins that court and archbishops of trier put on one particular dispute when thus recounting it i enjoyed this but especially for the subtle observation that charles the simple s diplomas stress consensus and participation much more than those of his predecessor in lotharingia king zwentibold fraser may get me to revise my opinion of charles yet lastly ed who noted how difficult a relationship charles s son the unlucky but dogged louis iv had with the legacy of his father whose reign had ended in civil war and imprisonment by his magnates something which louis at least suffered only briefly ed argued that louis made his own way rather than pursuing a carolingian policy and having now taught his reign i d be inclined to agree questions here revolved mainly around the spanish march i bet you can t guess who asked that one and queens since louis s queen gerberga seems to have been an awful lot of his support thanks to being sister of king otto i of the germans 3 all of this i think goes to show that the pieces are there it just needs people to find the work interesting enough to make it so to others a rather wonderful ottonian family tree from the twelfth century chronica sancti pantaleonis image public domain via wikimedia commons note how gerberga and her children appear but no mention is made of her unlucky husband then coffee and then a session about which i had no choice because i was moderating it but didn t need one because it was also really interesting 641 re formed coinage renewed meaning using imitating and disposing of byzantine coins far beyond imperial frontiers lin ying byzantine gold coins in chinese contexts three approaches florent audy scandinavian responses to byzantine coins rebecca darley valuing byzantine gold coins in medieval south india the core question of this session is not hard to spot i guess byzantine coins are found in faraway places where their context as imperial currency could not apply so what were people doing with them in china professor ying told us they were mainly burying them with dead people and along the silk routes and into sogdia making things that looked like solidi to do that with as well usually doubly or triply pierced for wearing there s very little indication that this was more than a species of jewellery to a population to whom normal coins would have looked very different in viking scandinavia that was also happening but there is more sign of a discerning user base although byzantine coins are a tiny fraction of the foreign money and bullion that was accumulating in scandinavia in this period the gold is never pecked or tested and very often set as jewellery whereas the silver usually had been pecked but only when it was real coins there were also imitations of byzantine miliaresia but except in finland these don t seem to have actually circulated even as bullion so why make them as with the chinese context there is more to do here lastly rebecca provided the indian context not unlike the chinese one in as much as byzantine coins were apparently commodities here but treated fairly consistently usually double pierced above the bust and also imitated but only in gold not as plated knock offs the contexts are almost all lost but use in temple contexts seems a better fit to what there is than anything to do with commerce or ports that provoked a sharp question in discussion because while in india the focus is clearly on the imperial portrait in china it can often be on the reverse leading someone to wonder if the coins were appreciated as christian symbols which professor ying thought possible certainly as someone else observed that would be about all you could see on a coin someone was wearing as jewellery unless you were impolitely close this all hung together very well and i gather that publication of something deriving from this is in distant prospect it should be fun double pierced solidus of justin ii found in a tomb at guyuan click through to an article on lin ying s in which further context and some comparator finds are presented that got me to lunch and then it was off to a different bit of my interests i do begin to understand how someone like me must be almost impossible to schedule for 733 the early islamic world vi iberia nicola clarke law families and the frontier in umayyad iberia mateusz wilk power law and ideology in umayyad spain eduardo manzano moreno conquest and settlement what al andalus can tell us about the arab expansion at the time of the umayyad caliphate i will pretty much always go to hear eduardo manzano speak but here there were obviously other things to interest me too dr clarke dug into the agendas of the arabic sources for the conquest of al andalus all significantly posterior to eve...
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