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d take off across out the desert unsupervised unmonitored unfettered and just we galloped around all three of the big pyramids out there all the sub pyramids and all the different places where it s too hot and dusty for tourists to walk to we could just ride there and it was all kind of unmonitored i very much doubt you could do that today and you certainly could not do that at stonehenge for instance to be able to have adventures like that stand out rock bands don t go to bombay there s never been a rock band there and when we were doing it was an open air venue and we were doing the soundcheck the people out in the streets heard it and went wow what s going on they climbed the walls and swarmed the place and the place was already packed and no one could get them out by the time we finished the soundcheck all the fancy people who had bought a ticket i m not sure what happened to them but when we played the show those people from the streets of bombay pretty much responded the way they do in detroit where sting goes e o oh and they all go e o oh i guess it tells you something about the universal humanity of music rock cellar there are bands that break out and maybe they re big in england and the us but there are other locales where they haven t broken through but when the police broke big it was everywhere it wasn t just america and england as the band was pretty universally embraced looking back can you explain that beautiful sense of fortune for everyone getting it stewart copeland well because we went there and that was largely due to the vision of our manager my brother miles who had a vision of world conquest a lot of these places that we went particularly the places in this movie that are so exotic they were not markets we were not going there to break a new market we were going there to have a wild adventure but we did play latin america and we did push the boundaries of where bands can play and the reason we were popular everywhere was because we went there rock cellar there s a couple of shots in the documentary where you can see your drum heads and there s some writing on it what was written on them stewart copeland it was a bit of self provocation and the words are fuck off you cunt a lot has been speculated on not only the meaning of those words but to whom they were directed rock cellar was that a cathartic way for you to get out your aggression hitting those drum heads stewart copeland yes they were not actually projected at any individual if anyone it was myself by the way that was written at a time when there was so much fun and joy in my life that this fuck off you cunt was not a dark hostile cry of rage it was more a jocular challenge with a twinkle rock cellar watching the performances in the documentary the band is super tight talk a bit about the chemistry of the police it seems there was that intangible magic that zone that you fall into where the muscle memory follows it but you transcend from that as well stewart copeland there were three of us which meant that the formula was very simple each of us had a larger role because there were fewer of us and we just found that sweet spot of how to take sting songs how to use andy s guitar playing and how andy s guitar playing inspired me this three way crosstalk landed on a magic place that seemed to work for people outside the band we just got into that groove we knew what it was that inspired us in each other and worked it and played show after show after show working it when you re getting a positive response from an audience as you re doing something like that there s a feedback and it builds momentum and that sustained us through five albums rock cellar looking back at this specific period 79 80 do you consider that a performing peak for the band stewart copeland actually no we still had four more years where we made three more albums and we were young and hungry in this film and we were not at the top by any means we were working it and we were working our way up years after this we did get to the stadiums and we did two albums worth of stadiums and by the way i think that s when we really were hitting our best when we played shea stadium i think all three of us agreed shea stadium was our finest hour when the stars were aligned joan jett came out and killed it woke the place up then we came out it was just one of those magic evenings where everything was right and sting had a fractured rib rock cellar so the transition from playing small clubs on that first tour to playing theaters and then arenas and then jumping to stadiums how did that impact on the communication of the band and feeding off of the larger audience and how to deliver on a massive scale did that alter the sense of presentation and performance stewart copeland the shows brought us back together again starting with our third out of five albums zenyatta mondatta which we recorded in holland that s when we started to have a lot of tension in the studio how should we make this record because once you make it you re locked to it by the time we d get out of the studio we were at each other s throats but as soon as we started playing shows the affirmation of the audience really was what saved us and we just had so much fun playing those shows and hitting the crowd where it hurts that was very band affirming and it retied our bonds and got us all worked up so hey let s go back let s do another album and then we d get back into the studio and be at each other s throats in no time but then we d get out of the road again and go wow hey we are a cool group rock cellar you look at the who and you look at the kinks and certainly the stones have gone through and the beatles and so many of the other great bands like the police have gone through major inner band conflict when were you able to channel in a positive sense and when did it get too much stewart copeland when we played shows was when it cured all of our blues that s when it came together when there s no overdubs there s no cold clinical studio atmosphere we have a visceral heaving audience in front of us on a mission and i m on stage to complete that mission with the right two guys we all felt that power of what we do together in front of an audience the studio albums got more and more difficult and we now understand that the reasons for the conflict were legitimate reasons it was not jealousy or egotism or anything like that we had different ideas of what music is for in our lives let alone what music we should be making and how we should be making it just fundamentally we had different points of view about what music is for and so on top of that all three of us also had a very strong idea of wanting to participate in the creative process each of us thought the band was there for us to express ourselves artistically and we felt that very strongly so with artistic truth and musical truth there are three versions of it in the band and that makes it very tough for some people to compromise under those circumstances since those days each of us has gone off and not compromised and has led great fulfilled musical lives but we understand that forcing us to compromise produced a really great artistic result that didn t make it any fun looking back on it i m very grateful that we held on to sting for three more albums than we deserved because he knew how to make records he knew how to write songs he knew how to produce them arrange them and we didn t it just became more and more of a compromise for him to deal with other points of view in the making of that music but he did he hung in there and he put up with andy and i with our own opinions and having to make compromises for three more albums until finally we all agreed that we had gotten to the good place and let s all go have some fun on our own we have to melt down the golden cage and that s when i went off and had 20 years as a film composer andy went off on his various missions and it was the right time rock cellar i saw the reunion show at the hollywood bowl did that reunion tour deliver on the final chapter for you and end it in a positive way for you stewart copeland yeah it was very positive and that s where we reached all of this understanding in hindsight about what the conflicts were all about they were all for very honorable reasons to play the reunion tour brought us together to remind us of that when we were rehearsing for the reunion tour that old tension arose there we were rehearsing for this tour for stadiums around the world where tickets just got sucked up in 20 minutes we d all forgotten about it i was a film composer i was wearing gap clothes as a suburban dad you don t want to be a rock star in snakeskin pants when you re a film composer so i d forgotten all about the rock and roll experience in general and the police in particular when the tickets went out and just disappeared vaporized the three of us realized wow this is way bigger than any of us imagined but still we re in a rehearsal room figuring out how are we going to do this and the old tensions began to assert themselves until we hit the stage again and just like before when we got in front of an audience and the audience went bananas it affected us we could look into those first rows and see the emotional impact of those old songs but those old songs that people grew up with whether they re even a police fan or not they were on the radio they were part of the zeitgeist of their formative adult years and they have emotional impact and that had an impact on the three of us on stage we were very emotionally overwhelmed by the audience and we re prepared to look at each other okay we re ready to give it up we rule rock cellar it didn t feel nostalgic to me it felt alive stewart copeland well there s nothing wrong with nostalgia there s nothing wrong with nostalgia at all it s very important the relationship between memory and music is very profound and very emotional and the word nostalgia might have a connotation of looking backwards but there s no problem with that when there s an emotional impact that s what music is for it s a very human binding thing which involves memory and the future and the here and now and the homo sapiens to our left and to our right we are bonded by music it s a two way emotional charge rock cellar before we wrap up let s go back to the band s beginnings recount the band s first u s tour where you were playing to less than ten people in a club in boston or a small crowd at grendel s lair in philadelphia stewart copeland the first show in america was at cbgb s in new york city i got there as an american citizen and came a couple of days earlier but sting and andy were held up with their visas and they got their visas just in time so they arrived at kennedy airport and went straight from the airport to cbgb s with their suitcases plugged into amps they had never seen before turned around and went hello america and it all began and then the following night we were in grendel s lair in philly and then the night after that up at the rat club in boston i think the important thing about that period where we were playing two shows a night night after night we had to pad our skinny repertoire by stretching songs out and improvising and jamming and that s where we discovered our band sound was in grendel s lair philadelphia among other sweaty joints rock cellar after the police you went on to work as an orchestral composer stewart copeland my 20 years as a film composer gave me an involuntary education on how to use an orchestra i actually took courses as well the actual spelling of how you put it on the page but score after score i started out with people arranging them for me and we re at the orchestra date and i ve got the score in front of me and i m thinking it should really just swell here well you put a hair pin okay cool so i put hair pins all over and i m doodling on these scores more and more to the point where i start to orchestrate myself and get a much better result so that s where the orchestra chops came in the police deranged work i do when i made my super8 film using the film that i shot back in the day and made it to a film called everyone stares with the score for that i had to chop up police music and once i got out the scalpel and i got out the multi tracks and i got out all these live recordings where i found these extrapolations lost guitar melodies lost vocal approaches and i started to incorporate all those that s where the police deranged for orchestra comes in on the mic i ve got three soul singers three soul sisters on the mic singing these arrangements my last show was three nights with the nashville symphony and the show is very successful because of that emotional nostalgic impact nostalgia has a pejorative to it but it s emotionally very powerful as long as people know that they have emotional baggage that s when you get a great result at a concert and this show is really lighting up houses i ve played with the cleveland orchestra san diego symphony portland all these different orchestras we played six shows last year we ve done four shows this year it s billed as stewart copeland s police deranged for orchestra also in a couple of weeks i m doing oysterhead in atlanta at the 420 festival and that s always a trip the oysterhead comes down from the mountain very rarely and every time we do our audience has increased tenfold i don t know if you re familiar with oyster head we go out there for two hours to make shit up which is the opposite of police deranged for orchestra which is all for an orchestra on the page everybody s reading except me i m just making shit up and then later on in the summer my 7th opera the witch s seed goes up in italy so that s my day job writing opera last year in germany i had a premiere in germany for the electric saint which is about nikola tesla that went up at the german national theater which is their premier national opera company in weimar and that s pretty darn fancy for a rock drummer and this is all in the glow of my new grammy that i won this year rock drummer dreams of being an actual musician well there i am on the cobblestone streets of weimar where schiller walked in gerta and wagner with the premier opera company singing my songs and playing my music and all rigged up this huge edifice working my shit that s living the dream source rolling stones licked live in nyc is out now view gimme shelter here out now to celebrate their 40th anniversary the rolling stones embarked on a worldwide tour in 2002 and 2003 that would cover 117 shows in a variety of theatres arenas and stadiums this show captures their january 2003 performance at madison square garden in new york city and features a guest appearance from sheryl crow on honky tonk women licked live in nyc includes previously unreleased performances of start me up tumbling dice gimme shelter sympathy for the devil along with 3 bonus performances from 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