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he architecture reflects this interest in rationalism 11 11 wulfriðe blitzen ancasta some buildings use facades created by the best craftsmen in their fields 11 11 aldo stern i think we shall return to signor mercury s point about pleasing the eye in a moment 11 11 aldo stern but to the baronessa s point 11 12 aldo stern to inspire 11 12 aldo stern to inspire what 11 12 diogeneia diogenes kuhr it can be many things nein 11 12 diogeneia diogenes kuhr to inspire pride in one s nation and people 11 12 diogeneia diogenes kuhr or it can be fear 11 12 aphrodite macbain well in the basilicas and churches to inspire love of god 11 13 aphrodite macbain of a place beyond the everyday 11 13 diogeneia diogenes kuhr an imposing government building can let the people remember that they um need to behave 11 13 aphrodite macbain nods they show power 11 13 wulfriðe blitzen ancasta a bit like the bastille 11 14 aldo stern yes precisely 11 14 aphrodite macbain many churches look like fortresses 11 14 aldo stern ah a very good point donna aphrodite 11 14 leary macpherson especially with gargoyles looking down 11 14 aphrodite macbain though i m not sure whom they are keeping out 11 14 aphrodite macbain barbarians i suppose 11 15 aldo stern the architecture of a house of worship may inspire us to look to heaven to rejoice in the beauty of creation and god s works 11 15 aldo stern or to fear god 11 15 aphrodite macbain or contemplation 11 15 leary macpherson fear the power of the church 11 15 diogeneia diogenes kuhr i am thinking the gargoyles are supposed to keep out the bad spirits frighten them off ja 11 15 mercury gandt ah signore welcome to melioria 11 16 aphrodite macbain but today in this age of secularism and rationalism we are less concerned about god than about man 11 16 leary macpherson nods you are right 11 16 aphrodite macbain to be enlightened is to use our brains 11 16 aphrodite macbain to find order 11 16 aldo stern hmm yes are not some of the greatest works of architecture these days the palaces of great men 11 17 aphrodite macbain yes indeed 11 17 hyacinthe de rigaud defiennes i think the salt works are quite remarkable 11 17 diogeneia diogenes kuhr or fortifications which are practical in the world of today as well as representing the power of a state or a monarch 11 17 aldo stern the salt works signore 11 17 hyacinthe de rigaud defiennes industrial and visionary 11 18 hyacinthe de rigaud defiennes yes by ledoux 11 18 aphrodite macbain the writings of her winkelmann talk about the ideals of noble simplicity and quiet grandeur 11 18 aldo stern ah they are a royal facility 11 18 hyacinthe de rigaud defiennes as opposed to palaces i mean 11 18 hyacinthe de rigaud defiennes yes they are 11 19 aldo stern but they can still though industrial in their style and decoration say something about the monarch who commissioned them no 11 19 el eiren i have never seen them but they have attracted many artists and have been painted again and again 11 19 aldo stern then they must be of great interest and visual appeal 11 19 aldo stern let me ask this then 11 20 hyacinthe de rigaud defiennes they are a pre cursor in a way to his ideal city there is a connection i thought 11 20 aldo stern we have all these different purposes to which architecture may be put 11 20 aldo stern when you have something that can be both a work of art and express ideas or inspire as well as a practical purpose 11 20 aldo stern as a salt works say 11 20 aldo stern or a fortrezza 11 20 aldo stern or a home 11 20 aphrodite macbain or a church 11 21 wulfriðe blitzen ancasta buildings can convey meaning in their style we know at a glance what its intended role is 11 21 aldo stern which comes first the philosophical purpose or the practical 11 21 hyacinthe de rigaud defiennes but they all convey views on society as a whole 11 21 aphrodite macbain i would presume the philosophical and practical purpose 11 21 aldo stern yes but sometimes can t the spiritual or moral purpose interfere with the practical 11 22 aphrodite macbain for example 11 22 aphrodite macbain i feel you have something in mind 11 22 aldo stern for example i have read a good bit about blenheim palace in england 11 22 aldo stern it is a monument to a great man 11 22 aldo stern but i understand it functions poorly as a residence 11 22 el eiren i think that depends on the individual i would imagine that concurrently the cave painters of the caves in france where accompanied by those building simple huts 11 23 aldo stern it is actually apparently an unpleasant place to live 11 23 aphrodite macbain why because it is an uncomfortable space 11 23 wulfriðe blitzen ancasta it is rather large yes having been there 11 23 aphrodite macbain probably hard to heat 11 24 aldo stern the rooms are built to serve purposes of state 11 24 aphrodite macbain personally i feel that for a work of architecture to be successful it must fulfill its purpose 11 24 aldo stern not to live comfortably 11 24 wulfriðe blitzen ancasta the house reflects two things 11 24 aphrodite macbain then it has conflicting purposes 11 24 aldo stern and should not perhaps that purpose the function shape it s form 11 25 candace ducatillon hmmm 11 25 aphrodite macbain you mean something like um form following function 11 25 diogeneia diogenes kuhr form cannot always be a slave to function 11 25 hyacinthe de rigaud defiennes naturally functionality is of most importance 11 25 aphrodite macbain it can be exquisite and daring and still support the function of the building 11 25 diogeneia diogenes kuhr sometimes a building has to be an expression of an idea 11 26 wulfriðe blitzen ancasta it is a rather rambling building showing off wealth war trophies and the like 11 26 diogeneia diogenes kuhr and if you have to live there then you do what you have to do and don t whine about it 11 26 aphrodite macbain then that idea is power 11 26 aphrodite macbain then the inhabitants are subservient to the building 11 26 hyacinthe de rigaud defiennes i believe any building is an expression of social ideas intended or not 11 26 candace ducatillon of late when i come across architecture that speaks to me i wish to capture it in a painting 11 27 aphrodite macbain rather than the other way around 11 27 diogeneia diogenes kuhr shrugs we all have our roles to play 11 27 aldo stern well signorina candace 11 27 candace ducatillon gulps 11 27 aldo stern that brings us back to signor gandt s point about architecture that pleases the eye 11 28 candace ducatillon 11 28 aphrodite macbain then does it become picturesque 11 28 aldo stern the preferences aspect of this discussion 11 28 aldo stern what do you find appealing that would make you wish to capture a building in your art 11 28 candace ducatillon there is an angle or a texture that calls out to me 11 28 candace ducatillon a curiosity 11 29 hyacinthe de rigaud defiennes for me it would be perfect proportions 11 29 wulfriðe blitzen ancasta ah ruins a building thats fallen out of use but yet still forms a function to artists smiles 11 29 candace ducatillon yes that can be most appealing 11 29 hyacinthe de rigaud defiennes proportions that compel and impose 11 29 aphrodite macbain i would be concerned that the materials are extremely important as a means of expression sometimes a building cannot be expressed as a 2 dimensional painting 11 29 candace ducatillon ruins are indeed fascinating 11 29 candace ducatillon they speak to a very deep soul another time 11 29 candace ducatillon still present yet gone 11 30 aphrodite macbain very romantic concept madame candace 11 30 aphrodite macbain 11 30 wulfriðe blitzen ancasta smiles 11 30 candace ducatillon i will say thank you 11 30 aphrodite macbain not functional but decorative charming 11 30 aldo stern well certainly our architects in this modern day of 1780 11 30 aphrodite macbain marie antoinette felt something similar 11 30 aldo stern they look back to the ancients for their inspiration 11 30 aldo stern and their vocabulary 11 30 aphrodite macbain nods 11 31 aldo stern and principles 11 31 aldo stern they read vitruvius 11 31 wulfriðe blitzen ancasta agrees 11 31 aphrodite macbain those ruins at pompeii pastum and herculaneum are very inspiring 11 31 aphrodite macbain pestum 11 31 aldo stern sometimes they even are inspired by some more recent predecessor who was in his turn inspired by the ancients 11 31 aldo stern like palladio or jones 11 31 aphrodite macbain you mean like palladio 11 32 hyacinthe de rigaud defiennes and palladio and scamozzi 11 32 aphrodite macbain yes 11 32 aldo stern yes exactly donna aphrodite 11 32 aldo stern he preceded us but his work would fit very nicely with the work that many architects these days are doing 11 32 aphrodite macbain it has been very popular in england and berlin as well as in the new world 11 33 hyacinthe de rigaud defiennes indeed 11 33 wulfriðe blitzen ancasta nods 11 33 aldo stern so what is it that we find appealing in buildings like our beloved villa vesuviana here 11 33 wulfriðe blitzen ancasta it has a pleasing prospect 11 33 aldo stern the conte mentioned proportions 11 33 aphrodite macbain frederick the great has been so taken with the style that he built the knobelsdorff s opera house on the unter den linden 11 34 aphrodite macbain i believe its noble simplicity and quiet grandeur 11 34 aldo stern ah simplicity 11 35 aphrodite macbain calm open balanced 11 35 aldo stern may i ask the gentleman back at the last table signor eiren i discern from your comments so far that you are an artist yes 11 36 el eiren to some degree yes 11 36 mercury gandt 11 36 el eiren i am primarily a curator 11 37 aldo stern ah you mentioned cave painters the idea that we embellish our spaces even in our most primitive state 11 37 el eiren i was just about to say that what appeals the most to me about this structure is its sense of durability 11 37 aldo stern ah 11 37 aldo stern would you care to elaborate on that 11 37 el eiren that i might count on to be here in 1000 years 11 37 aphrodite macbain endurability 11 38 aldo stern not unlike the other earlier structures we have scattered around the island which have already been here a thousand years 11 38 aphrodite macbain an art in itself 11 38 el eiren i am not very familuar with all that is here 11 38 candace ducatillon there are caves in melioria within the structure of the villa i believe 11 39 aphrodite macbain yes they are very beautiful and mysterious and filled with ruins themselves 11 39 aldo stern but durability that is an appealing thought 11 39 diogeneia diogenes kuhr you know what i like about the villa 11 40 aphrodite macbain listens 11 40 diogeneia diogenes kuhr that it is beautiful yes 11 40 diogeneia diogenes kuhr but also that it is i am finding a pretty nice place to live 11 40 diogeneia diogenes kuhr yes it works as our public building 11 40 diogeneia diogenes kuhr for meetings and greeting visitors and such 11 40 diogeneia diogenes kuhr but the rooms upstairs are very comfortable 11 41 diogeneia diogenes kuhr it is both a good place to live 11 41 diogeneia diogenes kuhr and stands for who we as residents of melioria are i think 11 41 aldo stern an interesting point 11 41 aphrodite macbain it must be wonderful to live and work in this community 11 42 aldo stern the conte mentioned earlier about our buildings saying something about us whether we intend them to or not 11 43 aldo stern you look at a building like versailles what do you think it says about the people who occupy and the nation they are a part of 11 43 aphrodite macbain there are a variety of styles of buildings here are there not 11 43 el eiren well trained in refined detail 11 43 aphrodite macbain versailles says power order 11 44 aphrodite macbain love of the arts 11 44 hyacinthe de rigaud defiennes absolute monarchy is written all over that building 11 44 diogeneia diogenes kuhr ach yes 11 44 aphrodite macbain how 11 44 aphrodite macbain what does absolute monarchy stand for 11 44 wulfriðe blitzen ancasta nods 11 45 hyacinthe de rigaud defiennes basically ancien regime 11 45 aphrodite macbain nods 11 45 hyacinthe de rigaud defiennes and in particular louis xiv 11 45 diogeneia diogenes kuhr i think it squats upon the landscape an ostentatious display of huge pots of money having been spent 11 45 aphrodite macbain no power to the common man 11 45 aphrodite macbain it is designed to impress other monarchs like frederick the great 11 46 el eiren it is amusing in its grandure or is it grandiosity 11 46 hyacinthe de rigaud defiennes but what intrigues me is the formal approach of gardening man over matter 11 46 diogeneia diogenes kuhr hmmm yet what he builds is the san souci a little house for himself and his dogs 11 46 diogeneia diogenes kuhr but then it was built as an escape not as the symbol of who he is 11 46 aphrodite macbain le notre s gardens a masterpiece of order and geometry 11 46 el eiren but it was a culmination of artistic energies and freedoms only seen in a few epoches 11 47 aphrodite macbain nods 11 47 aldo stern how do you mean signor eiren 11 47 aldo stern please elaborate 11 48 el eiren the energies of the renaissance were waning louis the xiv spent huge sums to redevelop the arts 11 49 el eiren through the genius and energies of le brun huge monuments were created 11 49 el eiren these supported many thousands of craftsmen 11 50 aphrodite macbain wonders whether they were paid well 11 50 el eiren it came to an end with the revolution but for 100 or so years there was a fervor of creativity 11 50 summer serendipity please excuse my early departure but i have a meeting at noon i must prepare for this has been a most interesting discussion thank you all 11 51 summer serendipity take care and goodbye 11 51 aphrodite macbain waves goodbye 11 51 hyacinthe de rigaud defiennes au revoir 11 51 mercury gandt au revoir signorina 11 51 diogeneia diogenes kuhr nods creativity for the glorification of the monarch who says l etat cest moi 11 51 aphrodite macbain arrivaderci 11 51 aldo stern thank you for coming 11 51 wulfriðe blitzen ancasta all the best for your meeting 11 53 aphrodite macbain yes the baroque really ended about 30 years ago followed by the roccoc i am relieved that buildings are becoming more classical and calm 11 53 mercury gandt and smaller signora i like the new fashion to build things more intimate 11 54 mercury gandt sans souci was a good example for this 11 54 aphrodite macbain yes indeed less grandiose 11 54 hyacinthe de rigaud defiennes what i like about neo classical is the the austerity making proportions all the more important so a modest cornice takes the place of ornament though it needs to be positioned in a perfect fashion 11 54 el eiren what exactly are you trying to replicate here 11 54 aldo stern but i think signor eiren makes a good point about the craftsmen and artisans employed by great projects 11 54 aphrodite macbain well said signore 11 54 wulfriðe blitzen ancasta nods 11 55 ...