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the fact he shadows over to him just to mess with him it s awareness alastor makes sure he s subtle but he puts himself around lucifer and engages in conversation with him more than he ever needs to when he doesn t want to be around someone unless he s trapped by a deal or working an angle he makes it a point not to be with lucifer for whatever reason he s different he also never had a problem touching him or being touched by him from the very first meet for alastor all those things stand out in a big way that s the thing alastor rarely does even that he s shown little to no signs of being obsessed with lucifer or constantly going out of his way to be around lucifer or even starting conversations with lucifer whenever they are in a conversation alastor doesn t even talk that much he also rarely touches lucifer unless you count their song in dad beat dad but other than that there is not any point that alastor s hands are on lucifer s body in season 2 other than when he was keeping lucifer at arms length in episode 1 i went through the episodes and these are the examples used to prove alastor s obsession he approaches lucifer in episode 1 he goes out of his way to annoy him and enjoys doing so until he gets a rubber duck in the face lmao 2 alastor s duck season mug which i don t see as him being any more obsessed than lucifer seeing how lucifer has a deer season mug 3 alastor humming hell s greatest dad after he quit which i do find cute and it does intrigue me that that was the song he was humming however let s also keep in mind that lucifer was the one that got him to quit lucifer was the one who drove alastor out of the hotel not charlie not any of the reporters or vox s presence lucifer was the straw that broke the camels back and look at how happy he is to be out of it all obligatory disclaimer thrown in cuz may as well i don t hate this pairing i ship lucifer and alastor i ve written plenty a fic about them but come on guys this is getting ridiculous 4 waving at lucifer which i don t see alastor very nonchalantly waving at lucifer any implication that he s obsessed with him he s not even verbally greeting him it s essentially just a sup that is the face of a man who is just chilling he literally made no attempt to stop lucifer from walking himself into a very obvious trap besides it s not like alastor chose to be there vox brought him there also lmao alastor literally does not give a fuck that lucifer is trapped in a glass jar at most he looks amused and even that feels like its more from watching lucifer get himself trapped and hearing him insult vox than anything else 4 the implication that alastor stayed at the hotel for lucifer look lets be real alastor isn t staying at the hotel because he likes lucifer or he s fond of him and honestly he has no reason to be in the few scenes they were in together this season lucifer has treated him like absolute shit alastor is obviously cooking something up which doesn t imply he s obsessed with lucifer it just means he s planning something he s not there because he needs to be around lucifer lucifer is just an element to whatever scheme is is brewing i doubt alastor is sticking around just to get to know him or be in his presence once again lucifer has been nothing but an absolute asshole to him and before anyone says anything no this is not me painting alastor as a poor baby angel who s just being picked on alastor s plenty rude in his own right but point out one scene to me in season 2 when he was actively insulting lucifer lucifer on the other hand annnnnd that s it those are the only times alastor actively interacted with lucifer he s never even brought lucifer up in conversation he may step out of his way to annoy him but it s not like lucifer doesn t do the exact same lucifer does it more even here are some examples for lucifer when he goes to help charlie with the reporters he looks directly at alastor unprompted alastor is at the bar not saying anything just sitting there and observing just like everyone else hey don t worry charlie someone important is here to help he goes out of his way to bring alastor into it when he didn t need to and alastor merely responded by waving completely unaffected lucifer could ve very easily popped in to help out charlie and pop back out but nope he had to make a dig at him 2 lucifers face the instant he sees alastor look at him the way he jolts up the moment he sees alastor alastor went out of his way to annoy lucifer in episode one yes but he has never lurched up in his seat at the sight of him 3 lucifer s deer season mug if alastor mug gets to be used as an example for his obsession than so does lucifer s 4 the way lucifer immediately started shit with alastor once again completely unprompted lucifer oh look who it is interrupting this riveting conversation i was having with who are you again alastor s response you re still here lucifer someone has to actually help out around here mr useless what do you actually do here which is so fucking ironic because lucifer has done nothing to help out around the hotel boy be fr all alastor did was walk in the room didn t even say anything and lucifer instantly zeroed in on him also are we ever going to address the casual disrespect lucifer throws around people especially at alastor someone important is here to help calling him mr useless dumb red loud speaker on that same note have we heard alastor say anything mean to lucifer this season like actively rude or disrespectful any name calling nope why do people treat alastor like he s asshole in this relationship again lucifer s a fucking jerk 4 lucifer s no alastor s allowed sign he went out of his way to put a sign up hell he actually remembered alastor s name which we know he doesn t do with the rest of the hazbin crew not in vaggi s who is literally charlie s his daughter girlfriend 5 alastor being the reason lucifer got up to confront vox it took vaggi bringing up alastor for lucifer to get up and do something about vox not to help out charlie not for the sake of the hotel it was because he wanted to prove that he could handle the problem better than alastor could oh no no holda holda hold on okay i can handle any problem a five hundred times better than that dumb red loudspeaker okay alastor was his motivation which isn t entirely great considering that s your daughter my guy a megalomanic tv cult leader is running a smear campaign against your child that should be reason enough 6 once again bringing alastor into the conversation unprompted automatically assumes alastor was the one who told vox about his inability to hurt sinners when at no point have we seen lucifer tell him nor have we had any implication that alastor knew at all vox lucifer lu lucy come on buddy we re past all that remember we both know you can t harm sinners lucifer uh huh explains the showboating let me guess uh the bellhop told you that one the only person he told was vaggi but he immediately assumed it was alastor who spilled the beans instantly no hesitation no second thoughts alastor really is just lingering in the back of his head constantly istg as for alastor lingering around lucifer he really just doesn t the only time alastor was even in lucifer s personal space close enough to touch him was in episode one when he had his hand on lucifer s head to keep him at arms length the only time he loomed over him was when he went to tease him in episode one and that wasn t even really looming he was standing at full height up until lucifer threw a duck at him in which he bent down to glare at him but otherwise that was it we ve seen one time alastor has gone out of his way to interact with lucifer and that was in that single scene the only other one that could possibly be brought up was when alastor went into the lounge where lucifer was but like him walking into a communal room to drink his coffee clearly unhappy to see lucifer still there i find it hard to believe lucifer has shown to be the one who is hyperaware of alastor s presence and lucifer is the one who goes out of his way to start conversations with alastor alastor is not nearly as involved or obsessed with lucifer people think he is and look i know this is fandom fanon ships headcanons yada yada yada different scenes can be interpreted in different ways people have there different headcanons and sometimes people just want to have fun with the narrative i get it i understand can we just stop treating it like canon if there is anyone out of these two that are obsessed with the other throughout this season it was lucifer hands down never once did lucifer come up in any scene of alastor s unless they were literally in the same room this perceived obsession alastor has for lucifer is so excessive and overblown i am begging people to go back and rewatch season 2 this had entered rant area sorry about that its just become a massive pet peeve of mine there is little to no evidence alastor is obsessed with lucifer alastor goes out of his way to annoy him in exactly one scene in every other scene it is lucifer bringing alastor into the conversation alastor is his default thought whenever something happens alastor was his reason to getting up and doing something about vox who s the obessed one here again hazbin hotel hazbin alastor hazbin hotel alastor the radio demon lucifer morningstar appleradio radioapple alastor the radio demon alastor alastor radio demon alastor hazbin alastor hazbin hotel hazbin hotel season 2 hazbin hotel lucifer hazbin lucifer alastor x lucifer hazbin hotel fanart lucifer hazbin hotel lucifer x alastor character analysis anaylsis 4 33 156 allastoredeer reblogged gotta go blast 1d bluneko91 3d follow lately i ve been reading a lot of discussions about alastor ships and why so many people see them as toxic or feel like his character gets completely changed into someone who only exists to be useful or even reduced to a servant for the sake of the relationship and honestly i can see that too i ve seen countless comments blaming different factors especially his sexuality but i believe no sexual preference gender expression relationship dynamic or position inherently makes someone less worthy than another person the same goes for whether he s dominant or submissive in a relationship every role in love is valid and equal so why does it feel like it never works with alastor to me the answer is because there s no respect alastor is a character people don t respect he s always framed as the worst person in the room always the one in the wrong always the one who needs to be fixed or merely tolerated as broken or evil i think this is also reflected in how many alastor fans stayed attached to radiodust in radiodust fanfics angel dust was often written as someone who admired alastor treated him with genuine tenderness or even saw him as a savior or simply someone worth loving angel dust is a character that has good qualities and bad ones alastor same thing good and bad qualities and the good ones are the reason angel dust fall in love with him that dynamic is much more rare in alastor s other ships in radioapple lucifer is rarely portrayed as anything other than the divine depressed angel who graciously accepts alastor while alastor himself is depicted as dirty evil and tolerated only out of loneliness as if lucifer doesn t owe him any apologies for how he treated him in the show as if lucifer never did anything wrong lucifer is automatically the good guy while alastor is automatically the jerk that s what toxic love looks like and honestly i think anyone would grow tired of it eventually even in radiostatic the ones who didn t portrayed vox as nothing but a broken baby who in truth is there only to isolate and destroy alastor as a person fanfics who usually start with a depressed vox who comes in the hotel that is another trope for another rant the same feeling remains vox is treated like the poor naïve victim while alastor is portrayed as the charming but poisonous snake they portrayed the dinamic as if alastor is somehow worse than vox when for what we saw in canon that is far from the truth even there in the end we have vox who is so affectionate and alastor what are alastor good qualities cricket sounds this is something i ve found that a lot of people found as oh so romantic person a how could you fall in love with a person like me person b i don t know i just know that i love you sorry guys but really i can t find anything romantic in an exchange like that i firmly believe that if a person fall in love with another one it is because the qualities of the second person have fascinated the first but alastor is described often as hot or beautiful oh and no beauty didn t count i really can t see that as a true quality remember this scene from the swan princess i m with roger here without respect and reciprocal admiration a relationship eventually becomes exhausting without respect toxicity becomes inevitable as long as alastor keeps being treated as more evil than everyone else instead of being judged fairly alongside characters who are constantly excused infantilized or romanticized despite not being that different from him there will never be genuine respect for him and without respect he ll always end up being used and reduced to a servant within ships that is my thought this this this this this this exactly i am an alastor multishipper but there are so few alastor ships i actually read because of all these reasons he is not just a two dimensional evil jerk bad guy he has shown that he cares he has shown he has a softer side he has shown he has more to him than the mask he puts on he is not a good guy but he is not a uber evil bad guy either also people take away his goofy silly attributes and it genuiely angers me why did you take his whimsy fucking hell we can t have anything in this house 11 48 156 allastoredeer 1d i do not understand this notion that alastor is massively obsessed with lucifer when lucifer has shown so many more examples of being obsessed with alastor it genuinely boggles my mind i have a follow up post now if you re interested in a deeper dive on this subject i genuinely do not understand it people be acting like lucifer takes up every space in alastor s head when alastor has not spared him a thought for a majority of the show lucifer literally has a sign that says no alastor s alastor was the reason he got up to confront vox the way he goes from 0 60 when he sees alastor lucifer was literally the person that drove alastor out of the hotel he was the one that drove alastor to quitting like where is all this coming from i hate it new pet peeve unlocked hazbin hotel alastor hazbin alastor hazbin hotel alastor the radio demon lucifer morningstar appleradio radioapple hazbin hotel lucifer hazbin lucifer lucifer alastor hazbin rambles 21 9 146 allastoredeer 1d forever amused that vox suckered 2 3 of the morningstar family thank goodness alastor was there allastoredoodles red...