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december 2009 angryaussie s cocktail bar angryaussie s cocktail bar skip to content home how i score cocktails why am i doing this t shirts copyright notice about otherworld monthly archives december 2009 december 4 2009 1 54 pm seeing the other point of view i think one of the most difficult psychological tasks to achieve is to recognise and i mean truly recognise that someone whose views differ fundamentally from yours is entitled to maintain those views i don t mean in the abstract i disagree with what you say but i will defend to the death your right to say it sense i mean seriously accepting that this other person is a product of a different environment different experiences a different life and these views are right for them this is a difficult concept to get across to a lot of people because people have a tendency to argue and fight acceptance which logically seems easier than fighting is much harder to achieve in practice i m not suggesting any kind of post modern there is no universal truth abstract reasoning i m not suggesting a weak wishy washy failure to commit to your own beliefs i mean understanding that even though you are fully committed to your own beliefs and you are sure this person wrong they have a right to their views and trying to force them to change is ridiculous there are a range of obvious exceptions to this like serious criminal activity but there are a lot of unjust laws and views over what is acceptable change over time so even this isn t as cut and dried as authoritarian minded people would have you believe one thing that gets lost in a lot of political argument is the simple fact people are different people give this lip service all the time but it is bizarrely rare for people to fully acknowledge what this reality means whatever your views are however logical or moral you think they are there will always be people who disagree with you if you are a decision maker you can never make everyone happy no matter what decision you make it will always be wrong in every real sense for someone your decisions will always hurt someone this isn t a plea for politicians to water down everything they do in an attempt to please everybody personally i hate it when politicians are afraid to commit plus it s pointless because nothing appeals to everybody let s get the disclosure out of the way by most people s measurement i m a loony lefty although i ve never been a formal member of any political party or group this is simply because i recognised long ago that no matter what political party you join the leadership of that party will make at least some decisions you strongly disagree with and you will be subject to massive pressure to toe the party line and go along with the orthodoxy fuck that shit i am not inclined to subsume my individuality to keep some political party happy and no i m not a libertarian no matter how many libertarian principles i agree with there are way too many bugfuck crazy freaks who call themselves libertarian i m pro environment pro choice regarding abortion pro gay rights anti racist anti bigot anti censorship and i have disagreed with the policies and actions of right wing political parties around the world for as long as i can remember so that s a very brief overview of me politically back to the bigger picture the problem i have observed from the left is a sometimes obsessive need to do things for other people s good whether they want it or not this is as opposed to the problem i see on the right of aggressively acting out a this is right dammit ideology and attempting to force diverse groups to conform to their views no matter what i think it s fair to say people on the left are more likely to want to change an existing situation to the way they feel things should be without having any actual evidence and people on the right are more likely to say they don t want to change things without seeing an objective usually economic measurement of how it will improve things i ve made it very clear where i sit ideologically but i think it s still important to recognise that there are people on both sides of the political fence who are completely honest in their intentions they pursue their ideology because they wholeheartedly believe it will benefit the most people and their opponent s policies will hurt people having said that i am far more likely to believe in the integrity of a left wing politician and support their policies and that s gotten me burned more than once i frequently attack conservatives because so often they make it staggeringly easy i truly believe the things i say when i launch these attacks plus it s a lot of fun baiting your opponents however doing only this would be lazy and i d run a very big risk of getting complacent about the stupidity on the left and people i essentially agree with are perfectly capable of being ignorant obnoxious narrow minded and straight out wrong i guess i am too although i can t think of any examples where i ve been wrong right now one case of people on the left being obnoxiously arrogant and wrong is a book published a few years ago called what s the matter with kansas the basic theme in this book is echoed by left wing people around the world why do working class and poor people vote for conservative politicians when the policies of conservative parties reward big business and hurt individual workers it s interesting to me that people looking at this situation seems to be saying i represent this person s best interests and yet this person votes against me the problem is obviously with the voter does it not occur to them that this person they claim to be able to help is voting against them because they have fundamentally failed this voter why are people so quick to see a failing in someone else and not themselves how dare they say this person s moral judgements are wrong or have no value even on a purely logical level this makes no sense george soros is a billionaire who actively supports left wing causes by the logic employed in what s the matter with kansas soros is acting against his own interests do people on the left call him stupid for doing this no because he s on their side so obviously he s enlightened one premise from the book i do agree with is that republican party is lying to these poorer voters they don t deliver on the moral issues they woo them with and more often than not they screw them over economically i also think there is overwhelming evidence that these are deliberate lies not a simple failure to deliver i m sure many people could point to what they consider deliberate lies from the other side of politics around the world that s the way politicians are i will stress that i m talking her about deliberate lies like republicans saying saddam hussein was linked to 9 11 not simple disagreements over whether or not a given policy is good this is a really complex issue i m writing this because i plan to explore the idea over a few videos for youtube because i don t see things as being black and white there are a million little qualifiers about almost every point i ve made in this post it isn t possible to cover all the nuances in one blog post or one video and it definitely isn t possible to sort them out in comments not here and definitely not in the insane morass of fuckwittery that is a youtube comment thread i have far too much experience with ignorant morons who think they know it all sniping away in comments they never shut up and there is no value at all in engaging with them because they aren t engaged with you in any meaningful way they are simply attacking you so don t waste time with stupid comments in response to this i won t waste any time with you fuck off and get a life better yet if you re so convinced you re right and i m wrong go off on your own forum and explain yourself in at least as much depth as i have here otherwise i have nothing but contempt for you for those of you who have a brain and are actually 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