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necredinţa trezeşte suspiciuni faţă de mărturia celorlalţi toma a contestat mărturia celorlalţi despre întâlnirea cu hristos o subiectivitate exacerbată cu toate că îi cunoştea ca oameni serioşi şi fuseseră împreună timp de 3 ani cel puţin el nu este mulţumit cu mărturia lor şi doreşte o experienţă personală nu doar să vadă rănile crucii pe trupul lui isus ci să le atingă să preseze cu mâna peste cicatrice să se convingă d necredinţa te face pretenţios toma a ajuns să îl ispitească pe dumnezeu cu o cerere de experimentare personală a învierii lui isus care ar fi putut fi interpretată şi ca insolenţă totuşi domnul i s a arătat conform cererii sale el cere să îşi pună degetul şi să apese în urma rănii pe cicatrice ca să se convingă doreşte o dovadă materială este un fel de arghezi care strigă că doreşte să îl pipăie pe dumnezeu şi să strige este cine nu primeşte mărturia lui dumnezeu şi chiar pe a oamenilor îşi arată pe faţă necredinţa când satana îl ispiteşte pe isus să se arunce de pe acoperişul templului să vadă dacă dumnezeu îşi va trimite îngerii să îl prindă isus îi răspunde să nu ispiteşti pe dumnezeul tău matei 4 6 7 e necredinţa poate totuşi primi har împreună însă cu mustrări toma a primit răspuns la cererea lui deşi domnul ar fi putut să îi dea doar o viziune ca să se încreadă în mărturia colegilor săi împreună cu vizitarea în carne şi oase a lui isus şi cu arătarea semnelor crucii toma a primit şi o încurajare preţioasă vecină cu mustrarea atunci când isus i a spus toma nu fii necredincios ci credincios tu ai văzut şi ai crezut fericiţi sunt aceia care nu văd şi cred ianuarie 10 2011 ianuarie 11 2011 de octavian d baban the new yellow submarine and its theology of sinking polemics scrie un comentariu a few decades ago the beattles were launching a famous hit a very catchy song called the yellow submarine very colourful very nice tune too very nice cover pictures for the lp vinyl disk a very avant guard video version also the chorus had everybody singing with great joy we all live in our yellow submarine yellow submarine yellow submarine we all live in our yellow submarine yellow submarine yellow submarine in a funny way i started to look at this stormy discussion stirred up by the loud and not very wise confessions of joseph ton as to a way of living together in one big yellow noisy submarine which hopefully is not going to sink us altogether but rather wake us up to reality this is why in a rather curious way maybe one should rather thank joseph ton not for his theology but for providing his contemporaries with such an unexpected opportunity to go through a hectic mad and at the same time lively experience of self analysis before god not being a cessationist or being a cessationist have become the hot subjects of the day in the romanian baptist community being a watcher see the apocryphal book of 1 enoch or a watchman strajer any link with watchman nee or not being a watcher or a watchman in the biblical sens or being a poor biblical watchman for that sake has reclaimed a lot of the time and web pages of so many baptists pentecostals charismatics and non affiliated everything else type of evangelical christians in romania of course ton cannot be right theologically how could he be he feels for instance that he has made a major discovery one of the greatest since the times of reformation suggesting that people should focus their christian life on the gospels and not on the letters of paul is this reinventing the ideea of canon or suggests instead with kaesemann the need for a canon within the canon or is he playing right into the welcoming and suffocating embrace of eastern ortodoxy and of roman catholicism who have advocated a similar view since the reformation has he become an out of reform and un reforming would not be evangelical anymore believer or is he a newly discovered charismatic yet still would be traditionalist then of course comes this rather naive claim that one would like to help the watchmen movement in order to cleanse and keep their theology from excesses and heresies quite clearly present at the present in their current practice and maybe theology although i am not sure they could really boast with something that could be called a theology the charismatic movement has been around for some 50 years by now with ups and downs and nobody has yet reformed it theologically or made it safe from excesses is ton really thinking he would be the one to bring order into this happy hodge podge of enthusiastic worshippers enamoured with themselves cherrishing a new personality cultus and hypnotised by the captivating and mesmerizing sounds of modern instruments and so often of heresy as well and that he would indeed be able to embark successfully on such an educational entreprise now towards the end of his career and ministry so theologically he appears to be on the wrong side through and through ethically his blunders are also impressive was he right when he wrote against charismatic gifts and charismatic baptists or is he right now when he has become one of these little brothers worth defending and claims spiritual gifts in a new fashion so much at odds with what he got his friends and sympathisers used until recently was he right when he spoke in tongues but denied it in the open and fought against it or now when he confesses it and probably grooms it he expects everybody else in the pentecostal and charismatic fold to welcome him in eagerness yet their reaction has not been as enthusiastic as he might have thought in my opinion all these and many other objections along them would not amount really to something entirely new it is well known that joseph ton has always been a great educator and more so than a great and subtle theologian a fine analyst of ideologies and an intelligent debater whom god has won for himself and attempted to reform a gifted communicator able to challenge people political structures even states playing dangerously with his ability of giving them the appearance of cooperation or the lack thereof he would have liked to be an unchallenged master of meanings and appearances of simple or double games as they come and of cultural ideological projects at a grand scale and of course people would remember him as a steady advocate of personal holiness and of the need for a deep personal relationship with god one for which he could not find a better word than love in a long and venerable although not so often quoted christian tradition at least not amongst evangelicals the question to my mind should be different however instead of asking whether he was correct theologically one should rather ask whether ton was correct ideologically indeed let us ask this question now is ton ideologically right is there a way by any chance in which romanian evangelicals are sadly going the downpath of traditionalism and institutionalism of party building of power games and struggles looking for politically correct attitudes and alliances or just for alliances without any correctness at all are they building a sort of high and dry type of new yet old protestant spirituality well for if evangelicals are doing that then they are not in a position to be supported in this entreprise by the state as in the case with germany s lutheranism or with england s anglicanism in order to increase or at least secure the impact of christian lives and christian evangelical creeds on this world romania has got its traditional eastern orthodox church and that s what the state seems to be supporting in a sort of candid semi democratical way where is the real love for the lord then the fervent quest for personal holiness the solid christian challenge to the paradigms of present day society the sparkling spiritual intelligence at work and in mission in the church and in the public agora the spirit of ministry all these traits that used to be the characteristics of romanian evangelicalism are romanian evangelicals any longer mounting a spiritual challenge to romanian society at large or have they become a well integrated quiet not much troublesome happy going well fed and well asleep type of modern religious community that the lord might call lukewarm ideologically this body seems in need for a sound of trumpet of a spiritual battle trumpet all right it is not correct theologically to side up with the watchers watchmen whatever and whoever they might be but is it correct to overlook quietly and without any reaction the increasing number of dying churches where there is no dynamism no joy barely any inspired and inspiring message and no transforming spiritual life is it correct to loose one s vision about the lord and his kingdom to come while striving for the small cakes of the present governments and falling for the future garlic and ducks of the united europe while loosing sight of the vivid horizons of the holy spirit works and of the our lord s great commission i don t think that joseph ton is right theologically but in terms of long term sighting he has allerted the romanian evangelical world to a problem who is in need of spiritual reform and why this is ideology indeed spiritual ideology shocking but thought provoking like isaac many ages ago looking through some heavy theological eyebrows of a late venerable age we should ask ourselves whether evangelicals are not by any chance feasting on a religious meal without knowing really whether it is jacob or esau that s feeding them otherwise merrily treading on the waves of life we might look like sailing all together on a fancy submarine that keeps everybody happy with a smooth and cheering song without any need for spiritual reform with a good and happy company where criticising has become a sin and sinking might look like a funny and desirable experience frozenly and shiningly dressed up in theological self righteousness and protocoli gorically correct we then might well invite each other to sing altogether now as we live a life of ease everyone of us has all we need sky of blue and sea of green in our yellow submarine we all live in our yellow submarine yellow submarine yellow submarine we all live in our yellow submarine yellow submarine yellow submarine decembrie 22 2008 de octavian d baban ma cheama adam thoughts 5 comentarii ma cheama aram este o carte clasica al carei autor se numeste william saroyan editura tineretului anul publicării 1968 merita citita si m a inspirat sa exprim ceva relaţia noastra strânsă cu adam ca stramos respectiv eva c s lewis pomeneşte în leul dulapul şi vrăjitoarea de fiicele evei şi fiii lui adam este o denumire generica interesanta ne aduce aminte ca in definitiv nu suntem chiar asa de diferiti de ei ce suntem noi erau si ei aceleaşi inclinaţii talente aceeaşi soartă din cauza aceasta biblia este aplicabila tuturor e permanent relevantă omul este acelasi dumnezeu este acelasi si planurile lui dumnezeu iulie 11 2008 iulie 11 2008 de octavian d baban liviu olah obituary commentaries 6 comentarii se duce incet generatia parintilor nostri cei care acum sunt in a saptea decada a vietii intre ei liviu olah a fost un evanghelist de exceptie prin care dumnezeu ne a vorbit tuturor celor din romania comunista in anii 70 80 daca iosif ton era vocea teologiei evanghelice cu studiile sale in strainatate daca marcu nichifor era vocea spiritualitatii evanghelice carismatice ajunsa la noi din vremurile interbelice liviu olah reprezenta o spiritualitate noua moderna a credinciosilor baptisti din romania el a inteles ca intr un veac in care informatia era mult ingradita evanghelizarea nu ar fi mers inainte prin exercitii de comunicare inteligenta teologica ci prin sfintire personala si avant in ascultarea de dumnezeu prin dragoste si rugaciune in privinta aceasta el a fost cat se poate de evanghelic de baptist intr o lume ortodoxa in care sfintenia personala este destul de rara in orice caz nu un fenomen de masa in al doilea rand el a predicat cum ziceam foarte modern cand il ascultai si l am ascultat de multe ori vedeai altfel lumea spirituala cosmosul planeta continentele prin ochii contemporanilor si printr un limbaj extraordinar de actual dumnezeu era dumnezeu tatal tatal cosmosului creatorul care pentru credinciosi era taticul avva ascultatorii auzeau apoi despre satan care era domnul intunericului printul intunericului si care era mereu infatisat ca invins si dezbracat de putere inaintea lui dumnezeu credinciosul din vremea aceea se simtea incurajat si entuziasmat sa traiasca in victoria lui dumnezeu si se simtea aproape de el in grija celui care a creat cerurile si pamantul ascultand evanghelia vestita de l olah te simteai in acelasi timp extraordinar de integrat in lumea prezenta olah vorbea relativ usor despre stiinta despre evenimentele lumii moderne simteai ca lumea prezenta era sfintita ca temeliile ei erau aceleasi cu ale mesajului biblic te simteai acasa in batalia si in istoria mantuirii nu strain si exilat cum doreau comunistii sa ne simtim asta nu inseamna ca apostolul petru nu are dreptate cand spune ca suntem straini si calatori in lumea aceasta liviu olah a detronat limbajul de lemn generat adesea de rutina amvonala si de cea academica in seminarii intr un mod categoric si a adus o adiere proaspata de evanghelism actual contemporan la nivelul ascultatorilor ar fi bine ca mai multi predicatori contemporani sa prinda spiritul libertatii si bucuriei al voiosiei cu care predica liviu olah in al treilea rand cum multi au sesizat el a fost un om de viziune care a transmis duhul acesta multor altora el se ruga pentru timpurile cand evanghelia se va vesti pe stadioane la radio si la tv cand libertatea vestirii va fi cu mult mai mare in privinta aceasta daca i ton visa scoli si influenta academica l olah visa predicare si influenta in mass media a crestinilor probabil ca acesta este punctul in care generatia noastra trebuie sa ceara cu intensitate in rugaciune doamne da ne o viziune a lumii care va sa vina a domniei tale a cresterii imparatiei tale fara o viziune de anvergura biserica este slaba prin puterea duhului matura cu viziune si dragoste lucrarea bisericii schimba lumea in care traim liviu olah multumim pentru dragoste si focul sfinteniei si al predicarii pentru slujirea de o viata domnul sa ti ridice urmasi spirituali pe masura aprilie 25 2008 aprilie 25 2008 de octavian d baban trupul tau este al domnului thoughts scrie un comentariu una din afirmatiile cele mai interesante din nt cele mai surprinzatoare este cea din 1 corinteni 6 13 trupul este pentru domnul şi domnul este pentru trup contextul ne lămureşte un pic asupra inţelesului dar nu suficient de mult trupul îi aparţine domnului cu domnul trebuie să fie în legătură nu cu o prostituată aşa spune în 12 13 interesul domnului pentru trup este afirmat apoi în v 14 domnul va învia acest trup este interesat în recuperarea sa în aducerea lui la un nivel superior la nivelul unui trup spiritual 1 cor 15 de unde acest interes al lui dumnezeu pentru trupul uman care 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