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act i think there is plenty of synergy between his feelings and mine in regards to even liberal theologies not taking things far enough not leaping full bore into the sort of poetic innovation that built their traditions in the first place but the new atheists are specifically concerned primarily with the perniciousness of faith beliefs and there s simply nothing wrong with having that focus either outside of that focus they really don t have much beef with carse or anyone else wandering around in his secularized state of agape so why is he so eager to pick fights with them when he seemingly can t even be bothered to raise a single substantive criticism against their specific arguments or a single substantive difference between their position and his the best he musters is to claim that the new atheists have their own belief system to offer in place of religion one that is just as dismissive of ignorance and mystery as religious dogma but this is surely a cheap shot all of the people he talks about have all written tons of material on science as a neverending never certain method not a dogma carse is basically attacking people like dennet for trying to explain things like consciousness and free will that carse perhaps thinks should not be explained but doing it under the guise of falsely accusing dennet of arrogantly thinking that he can solve or answer every question that s just a low blow and then there s clueless claims like this which make me wonder if he s ever really thought about atheism much at all to be an atheist you have to be very clear about what god you re not believing in therefore if you don t have a deep and well developed understanding of god and divine reality you can misfire on atheism very easily this is like saying that to not be a platypus you have to have a deep and well developed understanding of platypi nonsense to be an atheist all you have to be clear about is that there is no concept close to or akin to any sort of god belief inside your head you don t have to know every possible deep insight into what a god might be to know that you ve yet to happen upon a convincing reason to believe in god period and carse seems no different on this point anyway his answer as to whether he believes god exists is laugh frankly no so if even carse supposedly deeply steeped in theistic understanding hasn t found anything to convince him to believe and carse pretty much rejects the entire belief claim side of religion why should atheists who don t happen to be interested in religious studies in the first place worry their pretty little heads about it a lack of deep insight into theology is neither laudable nor contemptible any more than a lack of deep insight into botany is necessarily a gaping hole in your life you can t appreciate or be interested in every single subject equally deeply and everyone has their favorite subjects carse enjoys religion even without the belief claim side of it and good for him but without compelling universally relevant belief claims at stake and lacking much other than subjective appreciation carse hasn t made any sort of case as to why atheists or people in general must care about appreciating the poetic side of religion of course i just so happen to have a taste for religious studies and for all my carrying on over this particular point carse s book sounds like one i ll be adding to my already bulging reading list i just wish people that celebrate the mysterious and unconventional sides of life would stop pushing such conventional and dogmatic slanders of non belief 7 comments atheism books christianity god jesus philosophy politics religion science spirituality theology tagged james case nyu religious studies permalink posted by bad ancient jewish tablet ignites controversy another 3 day messiah july 5 2008 when the drudgereport first posted an unlinked story biblical stone causes stir re evaluation of jesus story this morning it caused quite a stir and much speculation and while it remains unlinked at the moment it likely refers to this nytimes story tablet ignites debate on messiah and resurrection the tablet of this story contains what appears to be a sort of judaic sect s apocalyptic gospel ostensibly transmitted to man by the angel gabriel that in itself is not so controversial since such literature was well known in the era what s stunning is that some scholars have made what seems to be a decent case that the text proves the pre christian existence of a cultural motif of the suffering messiah one who no less is killed and then perhaps even comes to live again three days later if this is so it means that this idea was not as most scholars believed original or unique to christianity but was in fact a known cultural theme that predates the life and ministry of both jesus portrayed in gospel texts as well as any historical jesus as with all such finds such as the famous ossuary of james now widely believed to contain partial fraud a significant amount of skepticism is warranted but for many reasons including the length of time the tablet has been around in scholarly hands it seems like few doubt the legitimacy of the stone and its text at least insofar as their dated origin the debate instead revolves around what precisely that text says much is illegible or missing and what that means for the cultural and religious beliefs of the time some christians will find it shocking a challenge to the uniqueness of their theology while others will be comforted by the idea of it being a traditional part of judaism mr boyarin said on the face of it the use of past events to flesh out the christian story is not exactly unprecedented many of the gospels and other early christian writings seemed concerned with showing that their religion echoes and thus is legitimately rooted in jewish scripture and history i e the idea that jesus was in some respects analogous to the lamb of passover this could simply be one more example and whether or not this demonstrates post hoc justification and embellishment or prophetic harmony is a matter of subjective opinion however while some believers may indeed decide that the tablet is actually just another prophecy predicting the life story of jesus that line of argument is complicated by the fact that the story of the tablet seems to concern very different events and characters and if it is a real prediction then the bible seems to be missing a rather amazing and key text and the idea that the christian idea of martyrdom was so culturally out of the blue that it just has to be true i e true because it s too absurd and out of the mainstream for the gospel writers to have dreamed up is still decisively undermined to be sure atheist critics of such apologetics have dealt with these sorts of arguments quite convincingly in any case but if the translations and interpretations of the tablet pan out it will be yet another case in which the comfortably certain claims of evangelists are later overtaken by real history which seems to have no particular inclination to validate such apologetic assertions after the fact will this turn out to be another james ossuary scandal where over competitive scholarship drove breathless conclusions and media stories far beyond what skeptical scholarship should have allowed or will this find ultimately alter our understanding of the pre christian world and the context in which christianity took hold you were expecting me to have any clue nope we ll have to wait and see 26 comments atheism bible christianity easter god history jesus media religion scams science skepticism spirituality theology tagged archaeology faith jesus judaism messiah permalink posted by bad texas legalizes abusive exorcisms or does it june 28 2008 there s been much dismay in the rational o sphere about a recent ruling by the texas supreme court the ruling concerns a case in which two exorcisms were performed on a minor leading her to be injured and psychologically traumatized the original jury held the church accountable awarding the girl a few hundred thousand dollars the texas supreme court on the other hand found that the actions of the church were protected under the 1st amendment on the surface this sounds like a pretty scary ruling basically saying that a group can claim religious warrant for forcibly restraining someone against their will injuring them traumatizing them and then get off scott free but as i read through the full text of the opinion the case looks decidedly more complicated read the rest of this entry 4 comments atheism bible christianity church and state crime culture first amendment god government jesus law media morality paranormal politics religion skepticism spirituality theology tagged demons exorcism laura schubert religion texas permalink posted by bad jesus was wrong give charity in public and don t diversify june 22 2008 peter singer is the sort of philosopher that everyone feels free to sneer at and denigrate all without ever actually reading his actual writing or seriously addressing his arguments which is too bad because he s one of the few ethicists out there that sincerely treats moral inquiry as an exercise in figuring out what s actually right to do as opposed to simply finding ways to better justify what we already do or at least already believe is right our moral habits as it were along these lines singer has recently challenged biblical instruction of jesus to give charity in private singer doesn t deny that the abstract idea of some person anonymously giving large sums of money without any hope of thanks appeals to our sense of what true altruism entails but the reasons that we find that image so appealing and the actual good that the ideal accomplishes simply may not match up the abstract nature of the image the core of its virtue it s nice an clean and untroubled in our minds it allows us to conceptually rule out all possible suspect motives from the person s action other than either true concern for others and secretly feeling good about oneself thus in our minds we can be certain that the person s act was pure and saintly this was the ideal jesus was so approving of an otherwise reasonable disgust with people who give lavishly to impress others rather than to actually help them but as singer argues people in the midst of disasters don t need anonymous saints or require some level of purity in motive what they need are actual people with faces to help and comfort them and as many charitable resources as possible applied to their problem and here s the key point everything we know about human behavior implies that people respond to peer pressure when it comes to charitable giving if they see their neighbors giving they ll be more likely to give and give still more thus the good that setting an example does by far outweighs whatever secret motives someone might have for doing it those motives remain as mere thoughts in the head the aid is still aid and public knowledge of it sets and example that can be followed singer doesn t deny that a lot of lavish giving and nameplate philanthropy is contaminated with bad motives but that s largely because those bad motives lead people not to think very seriously about what charities are really the most important not because the public nature of giving is itself bad surely what matters is that something was given to a good cause we may well look askance at a lavish new concert hall but not because the donor s name is chiseled into the marble fa ade rather we should question whether in a world in which 25 000 impoverished children die unnecessarily every day another concert hall is what the world needs on that note economist steven landsburg has even more interesting advice about charitable giving if you want to do the most good it rarely if ever makes sense to diversify the recipients of your charity his argument is deceptively simple you might protest that you diversify because you don t know enough to make a firm judgment about where your money will do the most good but that argument won t fly your contribution to care says that in your best though possibly flawed judgment and in view of the admittedly incomplete information at your disposal care is worthier than the cancer society if that s your best judgment when you shell out your first 100 it should be your best judgment when you shell out your second 100 so why is charity different here s the reason an investment in microsoft can make a serious dent in the problem of adding some high tech stocks to your portfolio now it s time to move on to other investment goals two hours on the golf course makes a serious dent in the problem of getting some exercise maybe it s time to see what else in life is worthy of attention but no matter how much you give to care you will never make a serious dent in the problem of starving children the problem is just too big behind every starving child is another equally deserving child that is not to say that charity is futile if you save one starving child you have done a wonderful thing regardless of how many starving children remain it is precisely because charity is so effective that we should think seriously about where to target it and then stay focused once the target is chosen and through the suspicious sorcery of economic theory he even translates his argument into mathematics landsburg also makes the case that diversification may be a far better gauge of selfish motives than mere publicity people constantly ignore my good advice by contributing to the american heart association the american cancer society care and public radio all in the same year as if they were thinking ok i think i ve pretty much wrapped up the problem of heart disease now let s see what i can do about cancer but such delusions of grandeur can t be very common so there has to be some other reason why people diversify their giving i think i know what that reason is you give to charity because you care about the recipients or you give to charity because it makes you feel good to give if you care about the recipients you ll pick the worthiest and bullet concentrate your efforts but if you care about your own sense of satisfaction you ll enjoy pointing to 10 different charities and saying i gave to all those the lesson here is clear if you want to do the most good give a lot of money to a single cause one whose problem is huge relative to your contribution and the one you think most objectively worthy and tell everyone you know maybe they ll conclude that you re a bragging self aggrandizing sociopath who cares the research shows that they ll still be shamed into following suit and for desperate people in need the issue of what a bunch of first world philanthropists think of each other is laughably irrelevant 8 comments bible christianity culture economics ethics jesus marketing money morality philosophy politics religion theology tragedy tagged ethics jesus morality peter singer religion 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