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in the bhs thanks to grant funding those resources are now available on the internet free to whoever would like to use them they are available as part of the bible online learner once you have selected a text you have access to parsing and translation of each word in the text including the verbs if you look on the left side of the screen you can also use your mobile phone for this site the display works really well you ll see a button that says clause the options type and indentation are quite helpful and they also give a glimpse into the research that i ve done i ve focused on indentation the shebanq website shows the actual research of the etcbc group and allows for doing one s own searches on the text although i haven t entirely figured out how to use this interface as i figure this resource out i ll hopefully post about what i find hopefully i ll also update this website with some of my reflections on the bible that i ve posted on my personal blog leave a comment in the prophetic books can the people still repent august 12 2013 uncategorized brenda kronemeijer heyink when i was studying at seminary the question arose of whether judgment was truly inevitable could the people not still repent i ve always leaned towards yes as this seems to fit with god s compassion and grace traits which are emphasized alongside of judgment in the prophetic books yet grace and compassion and repentance did not guarantee that the appropriate punishment would not still come the following quote highlights the idea that repentance must have always been an option and as i appreciate the logic of it i ve included it here if there are twenty four prophetic passages in which the people s failure to repent is given as an explanation to justify their approaching doom then at some earlier point in these prophets ministries repentance was not yet a failure not yet surrendered as an impossibility the people can be judged for a failure to repent only if they were earlier clearly called to repentance thomas m raitt the prophetic summons to repentance zaw 83 1 1971 31 32 view all 2 comments sometimes the simplest explanation still makes the most sense april 25 2013 uncategorized brenda kronemeijer heyink james mcgrath on his blog exploring our matrix provides an explanaton for the numbering of the fish in john 21 the number of the fish 153 like many other numbers in the bible has seemed to invite all kinds of speculations regarding its symbolism and deeper meaning yet mcgrath during one of his classes had a student jordan burt who also fished and he gave probably the simplest and easiest explanation for the number being given in the text fishermen count their fish follow the link to read mcgrath telling the story himself it s an explanation that appeals to me i like the simpleness of it but also how it reminds us of the fact that the disciples were blue collar workers fishermen it s not that the writer of the gospel of john couldn t have made the number 153 have a deeper symbolic meaning but isn t it symbolic enough for both god s humour and wisdom that the future of the church was given into the hands of these down to earth men who think of counting and recording their fish leave a comment sorrow and grief in the book of jeremiah december 12 2012 uncategorized brenda kronemeijer heyink alongside of whatever implicit sorrow is found in the text e g sorrow related to shame and or weariness the text contains a significant number of explicit references to sorrow the book of jeremiah speaks of great sorrow and sadness felt by every agent bratcher notes the depth of the sadness as it appears in jeremiah 8 18 9 1 the despair and grief is clear in the jumble of emotive words and the striking metaphors associated with weeping cf 9 10 17 22 they intend to communicate profound anguish and sorrow 1 gench puts it slightly differently but nonetheless argues for the deep grief found in the text there are few passages in the bible that express grief as pointedly and passionately as jer 8 and 9 my joy is gone grief is upon me my heart is sick says the prophet or god or both 2 both jeremiah cf 20 18 and baruch cf 45 2 bear the sadness over bearing a prophetic message suggesting that sorrow is not only part of jeremiah s experience as a person and or prophet but that sorrow is also a part of the experience of all those closely involved in prophecy several other occurrences of sorrow in the text include the prediction of the people s mourning the coming disaster and the command of jeremiah not to mourn the text in jeremiah 16 speaks of a lack of mourning and lamenting for those who die in the midst of this jeremiah is commanded by the lord not to lament ספד spd because of the lack of peace in the land 16 5 the text makes a distinct connection between jeremiah s not lamenting and the future lamenting in the land the subsequent verses mention that many will die and not be buried and they will be neither lamented 16 6 nor comforted nor consoled 16 7 in relation to this lack of mourning for those who die many other texts point to there being much sorrow in the coming time of exile most of the references to grief sadness and anguish refer to the anticipated feelings of the people of judah as they experience the inevitability of the exile furthermore the lord shows grief by weeping for moab 48 31 ironically even though the lord chooses to mourn over moab there is no explicit indication of his mourning over his chosen people considering all of the feelings given in the text this lack must cause some surprise to the reader it could be a rhetorical lack if the lord mourns and wails for the people of moab who receive judgment 48 31 how much more does he not mourn for the suffering of his own people his chosen ones yet it could also be an intentional lack the lord s sense of weariness over the people s refusal to relent 15 6 could be displayed through a neglect in mentioning the lord s weeping for his chosen ones a study of the word tears דמעה dmʼh in the text gives a stronger basis for these explanations while the word tears often occurs within a reference to weeping or wailing in the text e g 9 2 1 19 18 13 17 31 16 jeremiah 14 17 3 does not make this connection yet it is just this text that suggests a certain level of mourning for israel even if mourning is not explicitly mentioned there is nonetheless sorrow on account of the punishment that the lord is forced to place upon his people the lord s concern for his people is shown even more by the lord s promise as the people go into exile in the midst of this coming anguish the lord will still be their deliverer in times of anguish 15 11 the examples above indicate that the grief of jeremiah is closely related to that of the other agents in the text this suggests that jeremiah s grief is more than merely a reflection of his own feelings mcconville notes how jeremiah s pain relates to that of the people jeremiah s distress is of a piece with the message he feels already the pain that will come upon the people in a way that proves his identification with them 4 rosenberg goes even further in discussing how jeremiah s sorrow is a mirroring of the grief of the lord 5 rosenberg notes that the mingling of divine and prophetic persona punctuated only occasionally by first person markers such as and the lord said to me is frequent in jeremiah and illustrates the extent to which god s sorrow and the prophet s suffering are seen as two sides of the same coin 6 the use of sorrow in the life of the prophet including the actions of weeping wailing and lamenting shows a significant relationship between the different agents and furthermore it suggests a mirroring of one agent s feelings by another 1 dennis bratcher the voice cri biblical and theological resources for growing christians 17th sunday after pentecost commentary on the texts jeremiah 8 18 9 1 no pages cited 12 may 2006 online http www crivoice org lectionary yearc cproper20ot html 2 roger j gench jeremiah 8 18 9 3 interpretation jan 2008 74 3 jeremiah 14 17 speak this word to them let my eyes overflow with tears night and day without ceasing for the virgin daughter my people has suffered a grievous wound a crushing blow 4 mcconville judgment and promise 1993 61 5 bratcher also concurs with this pointing out that in chapter 9 the judgement of god v 11 is clearly linked with grieving vv 10 17 this suggests that it is not jeremiah alone who grieves at the plight of these people but that jeremiah is reflecting the grief of god bratcher commentary n p bratcher argues that this is similar to the concept of divine pathos that fretheim refers to frequently in his book suffering 6 joel rosenberg jeremiah and ezekiel in the literary guide to the bible ed robert alter and frank kermode cambridge mass belknap 1987 186 leave a comment table of feelings present in the book of jeremiah december 11 2012 uncategorized brenda kronemeijer heyink the following table lists most of the textual references for words explicitly related to feelings in the text of jeremiah feeling hebrew root form verse references wrath insolence 1 עברה brh jeremiah 7 29 48 30 anger wrath חמה ḥmh jeremiah 4 4 6 11 7 20 10 25 18 20 21 5 12 23 19 25 15 30 23 32 31 37 33 5 36 7 42 18 44 6 anger אפ חרון ʼ p ḥrwn jeremiah 2 35 4 8 26 7 20 10 24 12 13 15 14 15 17 4 18 23 21 5 23 20 25 37 38 30 24 32 31 37 33 5 36 7 42 18 44 6 49 37 51 45 52 3 2 anger wrath מקצפ mqṣp jeremiah 10 10 21 5 32 37 37 15 3 50 13 to anger 4 כעס k s jeremiah 7 18 19 8 19 11 17 25 6 7 32 29 30 32 44 3 8 indignation זעם z m jeremiah 10 10 15 17 50 25 to be sick weary 5 חלה ḥlh jeremiah 4 31 5 3 10 19 12 13 14 17 26 19 30 12 weary לאה l ʼ h jeremiah 6 11 9 5 4 6 12 5 15 6 20 9 distress anguish צרה ṣrh jeremiah 4 31 6 24 14 8 15 11 16 19 30 7 49 24 50 43 anguish מעה m h jeremiah 4 19 twice 30 20 to be ashamed יבש ybš jeremiah 2 26 36 6 15 8 9 12 9 19 18 12 13 14 3 4 15 9 17 13 18 20 11 22 22 31 19 46 24 48 1 13 20 39 49 23 50 2 12 51 17 47 51 to be humiliated כלם klm jeremiah 3 3 6 15 8 12 14 3 22 22 31 19 to have compassion רחם rḥm jeremiah 6 23 12 15 13 14 21 7 30 18 31 20 twice 33 26 42 12 50 42 rejoicing noun ששון śśwn jeremiah 7 34 15 16 16 9 25 10 31 13 33 9 11 7 joy noun שמחה śmḥh jeremiah 7 34 15 16 16 9 25 10 31 7 33 11 48 33 8 voice sound of joy and rejoicing phrase קול ששון וקול שמחה qwl śśwn wqwl śmḥh jeremiah 16 9 25 10 33 10 to sing for joy רנן rnn jeremiah 31 7 12 51 48 sorrow grief יגון ygwn jeremiah 8 18 20 18 31 13 9 45 3 lamentation קינה qynh jeremiah 7 29 9 10 9 20 21 19 20 wailing נהי nhy jeremiah 9 10 9 18 17 19 18 20 19 31 15 to weep בכה bkh jeremiah 9 1 8 23 13 17 22 10 41 6 50 4 weeping בכי bky jeremiah 3 21 9 10 9 31 9 10 15 16 48 5 twice 48 32 to cry out זעק z q jeremiah 48 20 31 wail ילל yll jeremiah 4 8 25 34 36 11 47 2 48 20 31 39 49 3 51 8 to lament ספד spd jeremiah 4 8 16 4 5 6 22 18 twice 25 33 34 5 49 3 12 lament מספד mspd jeremiah 6 26 48 38 pain כאב k b jeremiah 15 18 pain sorrow מכאב mk ʼ b jeremiah 30 15 45 3 51 8 wound מכּה mkkh jeremiah 6 7 10 19 14 17 15 18 19 8 30 12 14 17 49 17 50 13 be astonished appalled qal desolate niphal hiphil שמם shmm jeremiah 2 12 4 9 10 25 49 20 50 45 13 12 11 33 10 14 18 16 19 8 49 17 50 13 tears דמעה dm h jeremiah 9 2 1 19 18 13 17 14 17 31 16 1 baloian s anger in the old testament was helpful in pointing out references on all the terms related to anger 2 although most of the occurrences of אפ ʼ p have to do with anger a few like 2 35 have to do with turning one s face away those references that specifically speak of anger burning אפ חרון p ḥrwn are the following 4 8 26 12 13 25 37 38 twice 30 24 49 37 51 45 3 this is actually a verbal form of anger while the rest are not acting as verbs in the sentences it is unique in that the anger expressed is by the people who attack jeremiah instead of being expressed by the lord 4 most forms of the verb are in the hip il infinitive construct form with a first common singular pronominal suffix 5 although not all cases of weariness and humiliation are related to feelings e g jer 12 13 is merely talking about the weariness involved in doing hard labour these emotion laden words often convey a sense of sadness 6 the verse references are from the english text which differs from the masoretic numbering by one verse for ch 9 the different numbering for the hebrew verses are placed in brackets 7 about half of the references refer to rejoicing being forbidden or taken away 7 34 16 9 25 10 8 as with the references to rejoicing about half the references refer to joy being forbidden or taken away 7 34 16 9 25 10 48 33 9 jeremiah 31 13 speaks of sorrow going away and being replaced by joy 10 the weeping in jer 31 9 is more a sign of joy than sorrow 11 in jer 25 36 ילל yll is found in the noun form 12 the verb ספד spd is most often found in the negative 16 4 5 6 22 18 25 33 13 the use of the hip il in 10 25 49 20 and 50 45 gives the verbal form the sense of being desolate and thus even though desolation would most likely have an emotional response this reference will not be used in the text as it is not directly linked to a feeling 14 similar to 10 25 the use of the niphal verbal form in 12 11 and 33 10 gives the verbs a sense of desolation as opposed to one of astonishment and these references will not be used further in this text leave a comment church or the academy november 20 2012 uncategorized brenda kronemeijer heyink during a conversation at sbl a former professor of mine mentioned that we as reformed scholars would eventually have to choose between serving the church or the academy by that i assume he means that one cannot please both academia and the church at the same time whatever we write one side will be frustrated or disappointed by the choices we make however i m not sure i want to choose between church or the academy although perhaps i have already unwittingly made my choice the conference has been held from saturday to tuesday with sessions occurring all day on sunday unfortunately morning worship wasn t really one of the options for the sunday sessions and i wasn t around to go to the 7 30 a m service as my attending church on sunday morning is non negotiable for me i found a church in the neighbourhood of the conference and skipped out on half my morning session surrounded by mostly black people and eating thanksgiving dinner for communion i felt at home among these believers who were doing church fighting for social justice being one of those things my time living in intentional community has only reaffirmed my desire to not allow my faith to be only something for head so i have definitely chosen church at the same time i m not interested in church that isn t interested in listening to biblical scholarship to ignore what s happening in biblical scholarship is denying my reformed heritage this is despite the fact that as a friend at this conference put it there are a lot of people focused on a lot of 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