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say that provided that this does not infringe upon the author s financial rights means fop does not always apply if it is high resolution and not partially obscured an image could be cropped from the work blown up and published for commercial purposes do we have a volunteer to review the whole new law and update the crt entry aymatth2 talk 23 44 29 july 2026 utc reply aymatth2 i just updated the crt page of ksa thanks to google translate website s image translation feature i was able to update almost the entirety of ksa s crt page i m not sure if we will accept saudi arabia s first ever fop clause my hunch says financial rights is similar to economic rights since it is also the translated wording for the article on the copyright durations the financial rights 50 years kindly check the crt page that i just revised jwilz12345 talk contributions 05 27 30 july 2026 utc reply aymatth2 i think provided that this does not infringe upon the author s financial rights pretty much comes from the berne convention which restricts all fop clauses that way i ve always taken that to mean that you can t say make a photo that is basically a copy of an existing 2 d work even if on public display as that can compete directly with the original or a sculpture of a sculpture that sort of thing in other words something that adversely affects the existing market for direct copies of the original work itself i would think that is rare for public photos where the pictured item is just part of a scene carl lindberg talk 19 22 2 august 2026 utc reply also pinging three users from threads at commons talk copyright rules by territory saudi arabia ashashyou liuxinyu970226 and aymatth2 for their opinions and insights jwilz12345 talk contributions 04 31 28 july 2026 utc reply 999real clindberg kindly check my updates to com saudi arabia in particular the terms and the fop section it also appears photographs no longer enjoy the shorter copyright term instead the 25 year term only applies to applied arts the good news is the new terms are not retroactive but due to lo onger us terms this is pretty much useless jwilz12345 talk contributions 16 29 28 july 2026 utc reply addition google translate s feature to translate foreign language content within images really helped jwilz12345 talk contributions 16 30 28 july 2026 utc reply also pinging darwin and bedivere both of whom commented at commons village pump copyright archive 2025 03 review of com fop malawi jwilz12345 talk contributions 16 32 28 july 2026 utc reply it is also worthwhile mentioning all of the users who participated at the arabic wikipedia fop issue discussion w ar نقاش القالب حرية البانوراما فقط في الولايات المتحدة for attention and comments concerning the newly introduced fop rule for saudi arabia under the new 2026 copyright law that will take effect this august 12 2026 جيمي ibrahim id abu aamir and dr taher jwilz12345 talk contributions 14 55 30 july 2026 utc reply when are us wire photos considered published edit latest comment 3 days ago 4 comments 4 people in discussion when is a wire photo by a news agency eg associated press united press international first considered published for the purpose of us copyright does publication occur when a copy of the wire photo is distributed to the newspaper company or when the wire photo actually appears in the printed publication of a newspaper if the former is the case then does the existence of a wire photo without a copyright notice such as this one sold on ebay mean the photo itself is in the public domain due to template pd us no notice howardcorn33 13 10 27 july 2026 utc reply howardcorn33 the concept of publication in the u s changed considerably in 1978 prior to that almost any distribution constituted publication also the practices of the news agencies evolved over time as you probably know before 1 march 1989 you had to go through some formalities to retain copyright in the u s the news agencies mostly didn t bother though i gather that over time they slowly began to bother in some cases because their mian business model was for news organizations to pay them for their teletype wire feed and the value of that feed was in its timeliness they basically didn t really care that someone would use the photo a month or two later it wasn t worth the hassle to pursue my own take is that for a 1972 ap photo it would be very exceptional for it to be copyrighted exceptional enough that i would say the burden of proof would lie with the person who wanted to argue that it is copyrighted i d be interested though to know if someone sees this differently jmabel talk 22 40 27 july 2026 utc reply it s probably technically published when copies are sent to the newspaper company however the loss of copyright requires physical copies to actually be distributed without notice not simply published in any way from the wording of the part of the law which stated copyright was lost the physical copy of a wire photo was printed out at the clients and not really distributed after that and not sure about notice requirements on something transmitted like that so not entirely sure those lost copyright as a result right then hard to say if there was some other part of the transmission that had a copyright notice i really don t know i m a little leery over making decisions over physical copies of wire photos i doubt there was a court case to really decide the issue it s possible as there were often captions printed along with the photo and copyright notices may have needed to be in that but maybe cropped by the newspaper who knows the actual newspapers were obviously distributed of course but one client forgetting a copyright notice may not have lost the copyright it was distributions done by the owning company that mattered more but since those were transmitted over telephone lines i m not really sure if there was a way to lose copyright that way carl lindberg talk 01 58 28 july 2026 utc reply per copyright laws offering to distribute copies as evidenced by the production of the wire photo card counted as publication i would say distribution without notice on the photo card to be a loss of copyright after all some of these cards did include notices unless a photo was exceptionally good and relevant ap and especially upi almost never bothered as noted by the library of congress if a photo is particularly well regarded or famous they probably did however they did sometimes include notices when they redistributed photos from other papers that were copyrighted this notice was supposed to be included in the paper as well and usually was from what i have seen every time i have seen a wire photo scan with a copyright notice the newspapers also carried the notice though like all newspaper attribution things on rare occasion they sometimes messed up this is why it is good to check multiple copies so publication in newspapers without notice is also valid evidence parakanyaa talk 19 06 30 july 2026 utc reply copyright status of the peter elfelt collection edit latest comment 1 day ago 8 comments 5 people in discussion the royal danish library and the museum of copenhagen jointly hold the peter elfelt collection comprising approximately 170 000 digitised glass negatives from 1890 1970 the library states that the photographs are free of copyright and posted in good resolution so they can be used for many purposes the collection is an important visual record of denmark including official and private portraits places public life social development and the royal court its royal and diplomatic material is also relevant to wider scandinavian history peter elfelt was royal court photographer but after his death in 1931 the collection was continued by elfelt co authorship dates and publication history may therefore vary could the library s statement support treating the entire collection as public domain on commons including in the united states or is a file specific copyright assessment still required would it be appropriate to create a collection wide template such as pd elfelt collection perhaps with parameters for date photographer and us status or would the safer approach be to begin with a source template peter elfelt collection identifying the collection and catalogue record while requiring separate copyright tags for each file brodmann10 talk 13 50 27 july 2026 utc reply i think it would be worth asking the library and museum what exactly they mean by free of copyright there s a chance they also acquired the rights to the images via elfelt co in addition to the negatives themselves or there could just be a more complicated reason for the public domain status but the free of copyright phrasing could also be a mistranslation mistakenly overly broad or a term of art in danish law that doesn t mean quite the same thing in other languages this seems like a hugely valuable collection for commons and the library and museum do seem eager to have it shared it would just probably be a good idea to get their confirmation first as they might be able to answer all your questions 19h00s talk 14 13 27 july 2026 utc reply thank you i am happy to contact the royal danish library for clarification what should the enquiry specifically ask them to confirm should i contact them directly and if necessary forward their reply to vrt or should the request itself be handled through vrt i have not used vrt before so guidance would be appreciated brodmann10 talk 14 29 27 july 2026 utc reply before heading to vrt i would contact the library and ask them about the rights status of the items in the elfelt collection the library is more likely to know the nuances of the copyright than the museum specifically you want to ask them to clarify what they mean when they say the collection is free of copyright are the photographs from the collection in the public domain in denmark and if so how did the library come to that conclusion do all works in the collection have the same rights status even though there is a wide range of dates and authors if the works are in the public domain in denmark when did they enter the public domain this question is relevant for uraa copyright restoration but i won t go too far down that rabbit hole unless it s needed and if the works are not in the public domain what does the library mean by free of copyright you can of course start by introducing yourself and telling them that you hope to share the collection via wikimedia commons but that you wanted to confirm the exact rights status of the works before going any further it s likely that someone on the library s licensing or copyright team knows about commons and would understand the intent 19h00s talk 17 48 27 july 2026 utc reply thank you very much i have now emailed the royal danish library and asked them to clarify the rights status of the collection when i receive a reply i will post it here brodmann10 talk 21 04 27 july 2026 utc reply the danish status may also be different than the u s status the former should be 70pma thus public domain there and all of europe the u s situation may be based on date of publication instead the uraa may have restored some of the works so they may expire year by year as 95 years from publication provided they were published before 2003 if unpublished at that point they became 70pma in the u s as well but yes the more details we know the better carl lindberg talk 02 54 28 july 2026 utc reply for denmark there is also pd denmark50 50 years from creation for photographs stefan2 talk 05 43 28 july 2026 utc reply we also have pd because insert exact text from the webpage it has been used when we did mass uploads from archives that released images from their archives under no known copyright restrictions ran talk 19 27 1 august 2026 utc reply brazilian formal portrait from 1942 unknown photographer does pd brazil photo apply edit latest comment 3 days ago 4 comments 3 people in discussion hello i would appreciate assistance in determining the copyright status of the following file https commons wikimedia org wiki file joao_batista_diogo_de_siqueira_1942_aos_21_anos png the relevant facts are the photograph was created in fortaleza ceará brazil in 1942 it is a formal documentary portrait of joão batista diogo de siqueira at the age of 21 taken on the occasion of his graduation in accounting sciences the original photographer is unknown the physical photographic print has been preserved in the historical archive of the diogo de siqueira family daniel abreu diogo de siqueira digitized and digitally restored the print the restoration was intended to reproduce the original photograph faithfully it involved digital cleaning removal of stains scratches and other damage and general preservation work without altering the original composition or creating a new artistic interpretation neither the family nor storyknight audiovisual entertainment enterprise ltda claims to be the original photographer or to have received a copyright assignment from the unknown photographer the photograph appears to be an ordinary formal and documentary studio portrait rather than an artistic photographic creation we have not found evidence that the photograph was publicly published before its upload to wikimedia commons in 2026 as far as the family is currently aware it may previously have existed only as a physical print preserved in the family archive a vrt volunteer initially suggested that the photograph might be free under pd brazil photo but later explained that vrt only documents permissions received from copyright holders since the original photographer is unknown and neither the family nor storyknight claims to hold the original copyright the volunteer directed me to this copyright forum for community review my questions are does pd brazil photo apply to this formal documentary portrait created in brazil in 1942 does the absence of evidence of publication before 2026 create a problem concerning the copyright status of the photograph in the united states which copyright templates should be used on the file page should the current vrt permission pending notice and the cc by sa 4 0 licensing statement be removed should daniel abreu diogo de siqueira remain credited only for the digitization and digital restoration while the original author is identified as an unknown photographer vrt ticket 2026072610000676 thank you very much for your assistance daniel abreu diogo de siqueira talk 21 01 27 july 2026 utc reply i see no reason why pd brazil photo will not apply ruslik talk 19 27 28 july 2026 utc reply pd brazil photo seems to be a problematic template first it states that the photograph is in the public domain in brazil because it was created before some specific date then it states that the photograph is in the public domain in the united states because it was published during certain time periods and without copyright formalities however there are several errors in these statements and far from all brazilian photograph...