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anything that was done before 2008 the outcome we got is the outcome we got you can see it on a graph of gdp growth even if it is true that growth is affected by all the components of debt we re not going to see the gdp growth of the last 70 years change when we hold most of those components constant let s say that the federal debt is always bad for economic growth and that household and corporate debt is always good for economic growth until 2008 this is more or less what economists thought well if we control for household and corporate debt we should see only the bad effects of the federal debt economic growth should be less the growth numbers should go down but that doesn t happen the growth numbers don t change if we suddenly switch variables then controlling for household and federal debt we should see only the good effects from corporate debt economic growth should be higher but obviously it isn t the growth numbers don t change the outcome doesn t change retroactively when you control for different variables i was a math major in school but i ve never done regression so maybe i don t know what the hell i m talking about if i have something wrong or if i seem to have something wrong please do point it out at july 06 2018 8 comments email this blogthis share to x share to facebook share to pinterest monday july 2 2018 causation correlation canary the canary dies is the coal mine dangerous because the canary dies no and yet we know the coal mine is dangerous because the canary dies at july 02 2018 no comments email this blogthis share to x share to facebook share to pinterest sunday july 1 2018 le mot un juste subtract the rate of inflation from gdp growth and you get what economists call the rate of real gdp growth subtract the rate of inflation from the rate of interest and you get what they call the real interest rate subtract the inflation rate from a nominal rate and you get a real rate that s the arithmetic of it you may have questions about gdp and interest rates and the economy and even about this calculation but you cannot challenge the arithmetic it works our topic is the interest rate the arithmetic allows economists to say things like this since the global financial crisis short term nominal interest rates in many developed economies have hovered around zero similarly inflation rates have been quite low by historical standards although they have remained positive and roughly stable on average in most countries as a consequence real interest rates defined as nominal rates minus expected inflation have also been very low even falling negative for some countries now i have a problem i don t have a problem with the first two sentences which provide facts my problem is in the third sentence but the problem is not about how to calculate real interest rates which is comparable to what i started with above nor is the problem with their observation that real interest rates have been very low this is simply the result you get from the calculation my problem is with the first three words of the third sentence in particular the third word consequence it is simply the wrong word it implies that real rates are low because interest rates and inflation are low nay not implies it says as much consequence is defined as a result or effect of an action or condition to say that interest rates and inflation are low and as a consequence real rates are low is to say that real rates are a result of interest rates and inflation the result that is of the subtraction this is absurd the whole discussion that economists have been having about the real rate of interest is an important discussion if the economists are right if the real rate is low and stays low our economy will not be the same economic growth will be slower for one thing what s that you say growth has been slow for a decade you say yes indeed and this is intimately related if those economists are right to the fall of the real interest rate to a low level i keep interrupting myself to say if those economists are right not because i m challenging them but to make it clear that i am presenting their view not my view i don t have a view on this i don t yet know what my thoughts are so when you say growth has been slow for a decade what you are saying is that it s a good thing economists are looking into this low real rate thing i mean to create the impression that the real rate is a factor of great importance for the economy the real interest rate is a key real world factor obviously it is not simply the consequence of the subtraction it exists if these economists are right and it is powerful enough to make economic growth go from bad to worse we know the value of the real interest rate because of the subtraction actually the real interest rate is not observable it cannot be measured it can only be calculated by working backwards from observable things that s what the subtraction does it gives us a number for the real interest rate by working backwards from inflation and the nominal rate but the fact that we can work backwards to get the number tells us that the real rate exists if those economists are right they see it as a driving force a force that causes the value of the nominal rate to be what it is given inflation but if this is true if the real interest rate is a driving force then surely it is wrong to say the value of the real interest rate is a consequence of inflation and the nominal rate the real rate is cause not consequence we know the value of the real rate as a result of the subtraction this is certainly true if those economists are right but the value of the real rate is not a consequence of the subtraction nor of the nominal rate and inflation let me take their third sentence and shorten it as a consequence real interest rates have been very low in that form i find the sentence unacceptable but in this form it is completely acceptable as a consequence we know that real interest rates have been very low we know because of the subtraction we know because of the values of inflation and the nominal rate our knowledge is a consequence of these things but the real rate is not if those economists are right at july 01 2018 no comments email this blogthis share to x share to facebook share to pinterest newer posts older posts home subscribe to posts atom why economists must think in terms of the cycle of civilization i ve been hearing the phrase late capitalism for so long that i m forced to conclude that the very concept of late cap looks like vigor to me went to harbor freight the other day when i left there was so much traffic i had to fight my way out of the parking lot at one p m on let s see if this one gets me into trouble as i write this it is mid october in an even numbered year elections are weeks away yesterday i saw republican candidates heavily adver not the rate of interest but the cost of finance not inflation but the decline of growth it is surely true that the price level cannot rise without a corresponding increase in the quantity of money or velocity or use of credit the most important difference between cost push and demand pull inflation i m not a fan of diagrams in economics but sometimes this is a screen capture of slide 36 from a slideshare presentatio federal debt is the measure of economic troubles in the private sector not the cause of them the cause is excessive private sector debt private debt is too big and too costly it slows the economy it slows income growth it makes decent jobs scarce we lost our greatness to excessive private sector debt we can regain american greatness by reducing private debt if we do so before china has all the greatness note that we have many policies to encourage the use of credit and no policies to encourage repayment of debt selected fred data free ebooks forever fadedpage levy institute publications art s old vigor page click folder tab to view contents quick quotes on debt sbt hover for the quote click for the source 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