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n the details of specific operating systems let alone their codepages or equivalent legacy overhangs conversely the section has no reference to á à â ã ä å etc etc so unless there is a consensus to keep it i propose to replace it with u 0041 a latin capital letter a u 0061 a latin small letter a u 0251 ɑ latin small letter alpha i guess it is the subject of another proposal but we should consider at least recognising that that most languages that use the latin alphabet use diacritics with the letter a and a comments 𝕁𝕄𝔽 talk 21 04 24 march 2024 utc reply i agree i ve always found these tables quite cumbersome i believe part of the problem with them is that they were initially designed to display just the uppercase and lowercase forms of the main topic letter itself e g a and a so they d only have two columns but then somebody started to add entries for all sorts of derived letters and variants to them ending up with tables that had a lot more columns than they had rows which was always awkward and difficult to read i also agree most of the information is either trivial or distracting or both fut perf 21 31 24 march 2024 utc reply agree with the decluttering if we re really needing some additional information we can add it back with avoiding clutter in mind remsense 诉 09 21 25 march 2024 utc reply agree that a lot of the information in these tables is superfluous but rather than trying to update the hundreds of pages that use the template it s probably better to update the template itself recommend moving this discussion to template_talk charmap i don t think it s necessary to cover á à â ã ä å etc because these are covered in their respective articles linked in the related characters section immediately above mibblepedia talk 20 11 29 april 2024 utc reply half and fullwidth form bold revert discuss edit subsection break added retrospectively fullwidth characters should also be mentioned because ａ and ａ redirect here i added them to the computing section and i will add them to the tables for the other letters too for consistency with o but i wouldn t be opposed to move them to related_characters either nickps talk 23 20 6 april 2024 utc reply so in theory glyphs should be mentioned according to wp v and wp npov inclusion in unicode counts a little bit towards both but i think it suffices to say a mention of every code poinr in tus graphically or otherwise related to a would be undue in this article so i really want to get serious here per my project stated below what does the best encyclopedia article about a letter of the latin alphabet consist of esp that s not already here remsense 诉 00 00 7 april 2024 utc reply and wp due so sorry nickps but i m afraid i also disagree with your addition of the half and fullwidth form because it qualifies imo as specialist use or even obsolescent it was for that reason that i considered inappropriate to add the detail spelling out of u 1d538 𝔸 mathematical double struck capital a and u 0251 ɑ latin small letter alpha to variant forms of the letter have codepoints for specialist use in mathematics and in linguistics so i have reverted your edit pending the outcome of this wp brd debate but may i make a compromise proposal how about a revision of that variant forms sentence so that it reads variant forms of the letter have codepoints for specialist use in mathematics in linguistics and for legacy cjk font compatibility the addition of wikilinks makes it less cryptic and easier to explore better 𝕁𝕄𝔽 talk 10 24 7 april 2024 utc reply your proposal looks good to me someone will just have to retarget the fullwidth letter redirects to halfwidth and fullwidth forms i can do it if no one else wants to on second thought since fullwidth characters are still mentioned in this article i won t be retargeting ａ through ｚ if anyone disagrees they can do it themselves 17 00 7 april 2024 utc nickps talk 11 40 7 april 2024 utc reply tyvm appreciated actually my first mental draft had that as target but i thought that the article fullwidth is pitched better for a lay readership but i don t have a strong preference so unless anyone wants to debate it we can go with that version later today 𝕁𝕄𝔽 talk 12 39 7 april 2024 utc reply so wait i m getting the feeling that a for wp a will be a co nomination remsense 诉 14 06 7 april 2024 utc reply that s the one i meant too halfwidth and fullwidth forms halfwidth and fullwidth forms unicode block nickps talk 14 18 7 april 2024 utc reply done 𝕁𝕄𝔽 talk 17 32 7 april 2024 utc reply formatting consensus edit latest comment 2 years ago 3 comments 2 people in discussion so i m not sure what the absolute best approach here is full disclosure i ve officially embarked on making iso basic latin alphabet a good topic except for this article which i will be pursuing a class status for and i want to discuss what the best consistent formatting might be or consistency on layout and content in general should there be a notation difference between graphs and glyphs i m not sure that s necessary remsense 诉 19 18 31 march 2024 utc reply hi remsense i m also interested in improving articles about the alphabet i ve been experimenting with altering the infobox and you can check out what i have so far in my sandbox it s just a prototype and nothing s set in stone and it s missing a lot so let me know if you have any ideas or anything the finished infobox should apply to all graphemes eventually such as including accented characters greek letters etc 3df talk 22 47 29 april 2024 utc reply wow that s pretty nifty at first glance further thoughts as i have them remsense 诉 22 54 29 april 2024 utc reply i think you need to explain further what you have in mind maybe do a mockup in a sandbox as a basis for discussion linguistics distinguishes between graphemes and glyphs atm the article doesn t mention graphs btw a compare and contrast homograph and homoglyph might be relevant how there is 4000 chinese letters but there is only 25 in the english langlish edit latest comment 1 year ago 2 comments 2 people in discussion dlhfgkjldhf gkjehgkdf 172 103 76 185 talk 14 19 17 december 2024 utc reply as the article chinese characters explains unlike letters in alphabets that reflect the sounds of speech phonemes chinese characters generally represent morphemes the units of meaning in a language 𝕁𝕄𝔽 talk 14 28 17 december 2024 utc reply commagate edit latest comment 1 year ago 13 comments 7 people in discussion as by request of escape orbit i open this talk to discuss minor changes across multiple article of all english alphabet the question of change is whether should i remove commas in the beginning or not as i firstly wanted to remove one comma in the beginning of article but then user schazjmd suggested it would be grammatically correct to remove two commas as in a or a instead of a or a so i want to reach consensus with all users to have approval of those minor edits aiienlong talk 17 21 31 december 2024 utc reply so wait you knew there was not consensus for this and made this thread with its title indicating such but you completed your imposition of it regardless while pointing to an experienced user as giving you permission when that s clearly not what they said remsense 论 18 35 31 december 2024 utc reply first of all i did that talk and no one reached me on that issue in that talk so what consensus you talking about if its not argued then there s no point against it second of all what permission you talking about it was request to make that talk not permission aiienlong talk 12 13 1 january 2025 utc reply aiienlong discussion and establishing a new consensus different from the existing does not happen overnight you need at least a week to give others a chance to contribute especially when you are talking about a change over 26 prominent articles it s usual in the absence of any ongoing discussion or dispute to assume that the current content has consensus my view is that this change does not improve the article it was better before for the simple reason that the article name is a not a or a so the mention of a should be a separate clause in the same way as biographies mention alternative names someone might have but i don t have strong feelings about it and am happy to hear other s opinions escape orbit talk 21 07 1 january 2025 utc reply okay then i ll wait for conclusion to those article for a week until others will reach that issue to find consensus if not then these changes will be left there as no one other than you reached although i respect your opinion but title of article doesn t have anything to do with the first words of introduction and even if it have the a capital and a miniscule are both bold which doesn t affiliate to the comma after first a as it already bold and other a also bold so they refer to the same thing which i don t see your exact point but as insignificant excuse to changes in the articles such as those aiienlong talk 23 14 1 january 2025 utc reply no you will put the the consensus version that you reverted again back you do not get to impose terms on content that you disagree with remsense 论 04 37 2 january 2025 utc reply i m not imposing terms i putting it to simplify process as with not writing 26 talk on different pages aiienlong talk 14 14 2 january 2025 utc reply btw is consensus opinion matter or we should apply some objectivity aiienlong talk 14 21 2 january 2025 utc reply aiienlong title of article doesn t have anything to do with the first words of introduction please read mos first if possible the page title should be the subject of the first sentence i m afraid your approach here is just illustrating you re not sufficiently familiar with wikipedia s manual of style to be attempting such a prominent and widespread alteration especially when others have advised you against it you re free of course to suggest and perform what you believe are improvements these are always welcomed but you ve dived in at the deep end when you d be best advised to first test the water at the shallow end escape orbit talk 16 23 2 january 2025 utc reply i agree with your assessment this change was unnecessary and made the first sentence quite a bit more confusing from my perspective as a non native speaker of english it should be reverted to the old version in my opinion lightlyseared talk 12 31 2 january 2025 utc reply oppose per escape orbit s analysis 𝕁𝕄𝔽 talk 12 56 2 january 2025 utc reply oppose no improvement dewritech talk 15 30 2 january 2025 utc reply i agree with that change eagleindesert talk 15 48 2 january 2025 utc reply mentioned language edit latest comment 1 year ago 1 comment 1 person in discussion is the first language mentioned dependant on the language the page is currently set to i am not bilingual but i m sure there are other languages that use the letter a more than english lookingatthatwall talk 04 28 15 january 2025 utc reply the map with letter names edit latest comment 1 year ago 1 comment 1 person in discussion does the map with letter names in the first section constitute original research i can t find any sourcing on the wikimedia page which is where i d expect it if the names can t be sourced i think it s better if we remove the image also the image features phonemic transcription instead of phonetic which i think is wrong for a map trying to show pronunciations a correct analysis then has to read all the language pages for the languages featured which are not labelled and their phonology sections assuming the same transcription is used here that is aspets talk 21 07 3 february 2025 utc reply other pages say я originates from epsilon not a edit latest comment 1 year ago 1 comment 1 person in discussion on я s page it says it comes from little yus in which the early cyrillic alphabet page says it comes from glagolitic ens ⱔ on the glagolitic script page it says the origin of ens is greek epsilon wouldn t this mean ya is not a sister of a and instead e 2607 fea8 6119 e370 b9b6 6b0d f449 7435 talk 06 15 8 february 2025 utc reply other uses edit latest comment 1 year ago 1 comment 1 person in discussion the other uses section is a stub we have also other uses for a or a in physics or even music aminabzz talk 15 56 19 february 2025 utc reply obsolescent even obsolete legacy computer encodings wp due edit latest comment 1 year ago 1 comment 1 person in discussion there is a discussion at talk i obsolescent even obsolete legacy computer encodings wp due contributions invited 𝕁𝕄𝔽 talk 07 41 19 july 2025 utc reply angle brackets a or just a edit latest comment 1 year ago 1 comment 1 person in discussion there is a discussion at wikipedia talk wikiproject writing systems angle brackets on whether this article and similar articles should begin a or a is the first letter and the first vowel letter of the latin alphabet or a or a is the first letter and the first vowel letter of the latin alphabet in other words should visitors be presented with the ipa notation immediately please contribute there if you have a view 𝕁𝕄𝔽 talk 15 58 20 august 2025 utc reply semi protected edit request on 18 november 2025 edit latest comment 10 months ago 2 comments 2 people in discussion this edit request has been answered set the answered parameter to no to reactivate your request chknnwaflz1538 talk 05 46 18 november 2025 utc reply i would like to formally request that we change the section that explains that the apple is used in schools to teach students the letter a as for the past few years they have transitioned to the alligator due to the fact that they want to seamlessly transition into using all animals not done please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made umby talk 05 59 18 november 2025 utc reply semi protected edit request on 11 december 2025 edit latest comment 9 months ago 3 comments 3 people in discussion this edit request has been answered set the answered parameter to no to reactivate your request i need to change the latter is commonly used in handwriting and fonts based on it to the letter is commonly used in handwriting fonts based on it 2025 40026 75 talk 22 59 11 december 2025 utc reply not done the article currently says exactly what it intends to say the lowercase version is often written in one of two forms the double storey a and single storey ɑ the latter is commonly used in handwriting the word latter means the last of two or several options general ization talk 23 16 11 december 2025 utc reply yes it is correct but it is stumbling block to speed readers so i have tweaked it slightly so that it now says the latter form is commonly etc which should at least lower the trip hazard 𝕁𝕄𝔽 talk 13 10 12 december 2025 utc reply pronunciation edit latest comment 5 months ago 10 comments 2 people in discussion taking this edit war to the talk page english is not a prescriptive language so there is no correct pronunciation in london s east end a is pronounced like i say i are they wrong says who wp lead says that the lead 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