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talk how the other half lives wikipedia jump to content main menu main menu move to sidebar hide navigation main page contents current events random article about wikipedia contact us contribute help learn to edit community portal recent changes upload file special pages search search appearance donate create account log in personal tools donate create account log in contents move to sidebar hide top 1 the deserving poor 3 comments 2 bandits roost 3 comments 3 flash photography 1 comment 4 middle class 2 comments 5 what is the solution proposed in the book 1 comment 6 external links modified 1 comment 7 what happened to the tenants who lived in the condemned buildings 1 comment toggle the table of contents talk how the other half lives add languages page contents not supported in other languages add topic article talk english read edit view history tools tools move to sidebar hide actions read edit add topic view history general what links here related changes upload file permanent link page information get shortened url switch to legacy parser print export download as pdf printable version in other projects appearance move to sidebar hide from wikipedia the free encyclopedia latest comment 7 years ago by jensleydale in topic what happened to the tenants who lived in the condemned buildings this article is rated c class on wikipedia s content assessment scale it is of interest to the following wikiprojects books books portal this article is within the scope of wikiproject books to participate in the project please visit its page where you can join the project and discuss matters related to book articles to use this banner please refer to the documentation to improve this article please refer to the relevant guideline for the type of work books wikipedia wikiproject books template wikiproject books book this article has been marked as needing an infobox united states history mid importance united states portal this article is within the scope of wikiproject united 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wikiproject new york city template wikiproject new york city new york city mid this article has been rated as mid importance on the project s importance scale this article is supported by housing and tenant rights in ny task force assessed as mid importance the deserving poor edit latest comment 17 years ago 3 comments 3 people in discussion this quote seems questionable to me but it s not a recent vandalism and i don t have a copy of the book to check it riis also implicitly divided the poor into two categories undeserving and deserving women and small children often fit into the first category and unemployed and criminally inclined men in the second surely the classification should be reversed if you ve got a copy of the book nearby and are reading this note perhaps you could take a look catafalque preceding unsigned comment added by 80 44 138 208 talk 19 18 19 march 2009 utc reply i don t have a copy of the book handy but it s a common concept from the period enough that a page on the topic ought to be created particularly since it was an important one the deserving poor are those whom according to them could not be thought at fault for their own poverty the undeserving poor are those whose own behaviours are considered to be the reason for their poverty they are deserving of aid not of poverty this is actually a reasonable argument to make though perhaps not in the same way they did deserving can in the social context of the time also be defined as those who might be materially helped those whom the social workers believed capable of with help leaving poverty meanwhile those who were undeserving all were those who for various reasons were believed to have gotten themselves into the pit they were in by their own poor choices this distinction might be very well used now the old saying about giving a man a fish feeding him for a day is quite true but so is the corollary if he expects that daily fish from you he s not likely to want to learn to catch his own fish 71 76 225 98 talk 00 17 12 april 2009 utc reply my little search in the online wikisource does not find this opinion the nearest thing to it is in chapter 23 which to my eye isn t an exact fit so although the article s passage about the deserving and underserving poor may correctly summarize riis implicit understanding the book didn t discuss the matter explicity thus unless there s some other source i figure it doesn t have a place in this article jim henderson talk 20 23 15 april 2009 utc reply bandits roost edit latest comment 16 years ago 3 comments 2 people in discussion hello these three pictures have noteworthy differences is the third a retouched version i e could the woman be inserted i don t think so but why the heck i cannot find this photograph thanks for sharing your opinions catfisheye talk 22 28 17 february 2010 utc reply obviously cropped black corners woman on the left and those black corners retouched the first two images are just cropped differently than the third the woman on the left in the third image is just cropped out of the first two she s to the left of the two barrels on the ground that are on the bottom left edge of the first two images note also that the man on the far right of the first two images is cut in half by the frame in the third image because in that version the right side is more cropped as for the black corners those only appear as corners in the second image because of how it s cropped the same shadows are visible in the third but stand out less because the half tone printing method used for that image makes it look darker over all postdlf talk 23 29 17 february 2010 utc reply yes it is a half tone print catfisheye talk 23 35 17 february 2010 utc reply flash photography edit latest comment 14 years ago 1 comment 1 person in discussion the harsh white light from magnesium flash powder often caused a look of shock on the faces of those photographed and was accepted as an indication of candid and objective photography this sentence troubles me on several grounds first who says the facial expressions in the photographs are an artifact of flash photography who accepted their expressions as presumably objective evidence of the subjects misery there are no sources for these assertions if you look at the people in the photographs most in fact have neither a look of shock nor a look of misery they just look like people many aren t looking at the camera some are smiling winter maiden talk 16 55 22 november 2011 utc reply middle class edit latest comment 10 years ago 2 comments 2 people in discussion in the 1890s many people in upper and middle class society were unaware of the dangerous conditions in the slums among poor immigrants jacob riis a danish immigrant who himself could not originally find much work hoped to expose the squalor of the 19th century lower east side of manhattan as properly noted in http en wikipedia org wiki middle_class the modern usage of the term middle class however dates to the 1913 uk registrar general s report in which the statistician t h c stevenson identified the middle class as that falling between the upper class and the working class in terms of historical accuracy there was no middle class in the 1890 s as correct definition was merchant class or conversely simply capitalist or mercantile class and the opening text should reflect as such preceding unsigned comment added by dinosnake talk contribs 22 28 15 september 2014 utc reply the middle class still existed it just went by a different name this article is written for the people of today to understand not people living back then 2001 48f8 7052 a99 9568 15b3 fee8 4e12 talk 05 55 10 august 2016 utc reply what is the solution proposed in the book edit latest comment 11 years ago 1 comment 1 person in discussion the article says jacob riis proposed a solution to the problems he wrote about but never actually says what he proposed it does say what happened as a result of the book but did the people that 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