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words are prefixes 1 comment 9 encyclopedic terms vs brand names 1 comment 10 since when are servers obsolete 1 comment toggle the table of contents template talk computer sizes add languages page contents not supported in other languages add topic template talk english read edit view history tools tools move to sidebar hide actions read edit add topic view history general what links here related changes upload file permanent link page information get shortened url switch to legacy parser print export download as pdf printable version in other projects appearance move to sidebar hide from wikipedia the free encyclopedia latest comment 11 years ago by sagittarian milky way in topic since when are servers obsolete this template does not require a rating on wikipedia s content assessment scale it is of interest to the following wikiprojects computing compsci this template is within the scope of wikiproject computing a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of computers computing and 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wikiproject computer science unreferenced blps project related tag all relevant articles in category computer science and sub categories with wikiproject computer science netbook edit latest comment 17 years ago 4 comments 4 people in discussion does anyone think netbook deserves to be in this template kozuch talk 19 01 5 june 2008 utc reply absolutely not a netbook is an internet notebook with netbooks now available upto 13 4 inches size is now essentially meaningless samj in out 19 17 23 february 2009 utc reply that is just one model i do not see how it can considered to be representative of an entire class of computer rilak talk 03 33 24 february 2009 utc reply isn t a netbook with a 13 4 inch screen pretty much just a laptop letdorf talk 10 34 24 february 2009 utc reply misleading representation of workstations and servers edit latest comment 18 years ago 2 comments 2 people in discussion there has been a discussion at talk list of computer size categories about whether servers and workstations are desktops i think that this template should be updated to reflect the result of the discussion rilak talk 07 20 11 july 2008 utc reply i don t think it is particularly misleading they are someplace in middle ground between minicomputers and microcomputers but i rearranged the items put servers up with minicomputers since they are usually shared beefier systems retitled the second section desktops are generally microcomputers but not all microcomputers are desktops does that help zodon talk 09 48 20 july 2008 utc reply should embedded system be removed edit latest comment 17 years ago 5 comments 2 people in discussion i was looking at this list and noticed that embedded system seems a little bit out of place the article on embedded systems says that they can vary in size from a microcontroller to complex controll systems with multiple modules peripherals etc so it s location in a size hierarchy seems quite ambiguous i added microcontroller to the template it pretty clearly fits in at the small end was wondering whether there is merit to keeping embedded system here or whether it is better to dispense with it zodon talk 06 39 21 july 2008 utc reply embedded system is not a precise term it has hundreds of meaning depending on the context what should happen is that embedded system be replaced with form factors that are primarily used by embedded systems and one form factor is single board computer which is rougly the size of a small pc motherboard i m not too familiar with embedded systems but i believe must are rack mounted so they fit in with the rest of the machinery in an industrial environment rilak talk 06 51 21 july 2008 utc reply probably most are microcontrollers that are integrated into other devices like microwaves mp3 players thermostats if one counts by number of individual devices but i agree that adding sbc makes sense zodon talk 07 41 21 july 2008 utc reply as i ve said embedded systems can mean many of things i just happen to have access to a few catalogs from companies that sell embedded systems for industrial control and remote data aquisition applications i ll look through them to see if they use any other form factors that are not on the list rilak talk 07 55 21 july 2008 utc reply found another template template computer form factors that lists several form factors for pc compatible computers zodon talk 06 13 8 november 2008 utc reply how meaningful is this template edit latest comment 17 years ago 9 comments 3 people in discussion how meaningful is it to try to categorize types of computers by physical size servers have no typical physical form factor they could potentially be 1u rackmount boxes or full 42u racks why are desktops and workstations microcomputers but laptops and tablets aren t should cart computers be in the same category as pocket computers and microcontrollers aren t really computers in this context letdorf talk 00 10 27 october 2008 utc reply i find the template useful since it helps find one s way in the coverage of various computer classifications especially in the smaller end of the scale there is more discussion of the servers matter in talk list of computer size categories basically yes servers are currently regarded as a role rather than a particular size of machine but they have tended to be on the larger more powerful beefier end of things microcomputer there weren t appreciable numbers of laptops and tablets when the term microcomputer originated and term like mainframe and minicomputer not used so much anymore the usage here corresponds roughly to one of the usages mentioned in the wikipedia article in that it covers machines of about the size and design as were common when the term originated grouping the smaller device categories underneath microcomputer would not make the template any easier to read or use i e it is a convenient group label that reasonably covers that range of machines the mobile category is arranged roughly by size so cart computers are at the larger end where graphing calculators or pocket computers are toward the smaller end again the mobile grouping isn t perfect since a cart computer may be comparable in size to a desktop and larger than an sff why is a microcontroller not a computer in this context they generally have a programmable processor memory i o a functional computer system on a chip microcontroller some of them are more powerful than the personal computers of a few years ago zodon talk 01 25 27 october 2008 utc reply i raised this concern a while ago the fact is you can t put every computer or even most computers accurately into neat little size categories yes i have seen high school level textbooks try to do this but it is not possible in the real world and i don t believe the industry or the academics attempt do this head over to sun microsystems website and browse through their server product pages servers range from netra blade servers to the two rack sun enterprise is this reflected in this template no also browsing through ibm s website their mainframes are around the same size as the high end system p yet the template claims that mainframes are larger if i am not mistaken some models of the vax 9000 minicomputer were bigger than some bull mainframes it is possible to find many examples where this template s claims are disproven but i don t have the time rilak talk 04 59 27 october 2008 utc reply i ve just noticed that the template claims that workstations are smaller than personal computers sigh i believe the mac pro is significantly larger than the generic personal computer i m typing this on the boxx apexx even larger and some models of the early rs 6000 to be gigantic rilak talk 05 02 27 october 2008 utc reply well technically a microcomputer is any computer based on microprocessor technology ie pretty much any computer made in the last 20 years or so theoretically some microcontrollers can be considered computers but in practice they usually either perform the role of an auxilliary processor in another computer system or are incorporated into embedded systems ascribing a typical physical form factor to either of those cases is pretty pointless i think a more useful template would be a list of computer form factors rack rackmount deskside pedestal desktop laptop tablet handheld etc trying to map these onto other classifications just ends up being misleading imho letdorf talk 11 22 27 october 2008 utc reply since this is a navigation template it isn t clear that it has to represent all the variants possible the purpose is to allow people to find articles about types of computers classification would be more reasonably handled if it can be done at all using categories which allow more varied structures there are enough items that a straight list without subdivisions becomes harder to use and for any list some order must be selected zodon talk 12 04 27 october 2008 utc reply in that case how about we forget about size rename the template something like types of computers and change the categories to something like personal mobile other and another category for servers mainframes etc that i can t think of a good name for at the moment letdorf talk 16 30 27 october 2008 utc reply you are right about this is being a navbox but is it not a navbox which categorizes the entries contained within by size i think letdorf is right about renaming the template to something more appropriate sorting can always be decided later rilak talk 05 17 28 october 2008 utc reply i just fixed the wikilink above it was supposed to go to wikipedia navigation templates sorry about that while renaming seems not unreasonable though the name as it is doesn t seem bad we may need to work on name a bit more types of computers might reasonably attract things like apples vs ibms or optical vs quantum vs analog vs digital tube vs transistor etc there is a huge array of different ways to classify computers so it seems likely to expand to unwieldly proportions zodon talk 10 19 28 october 2008 utc reply suggests personal computers are only micro computers edit latest comment 12 years ago 2 comments 2 people in discussion the micro row contains personal workstation desktop home gaming sff nettop the mobile row doesn t say have any link to personal computer yet laptops are personal computers our current presentation misleadingly suggests they aren t chealer talk 14 51 24 may 2012 utc reply it seems to me that many mobile devices in themselves are microcomputers perhaps it would be better to merge the two sections together in some way perhaps to micro and mobile preceding unsigned comment added by techhead7890 talk contribs 07 25 9 december 2013 utc reply remove smartbook edit latest comment 13 years ago 1 comment 1 person in discussion as noted in the talk smartbook page the term is deprecated even by it s creator qualcomm should it be removed grantbow talk 23 30 26 march 2013 utc reply add chromebook edit latest comment 13 years ago 1 comment 1 person in discussion i think the use of many arm processors and the creation of simple appliances with lower prices put chromebooks in a new subclass of subnotebooks should it be added grantbow talk 23 30 26 march 2013 utc reply indicating certain words are prefixes edit latest comment 12 years ago 1 comment 1 person in discussion it seems to me that many of the words in the in the table are prefixes for example super actually meaning supercomputer in my opinion as one of the uninitiated this does not seem immediately apparent it may be helpful to indicate this in some way by adding hyphens to the end of some of the row headings eg micro or simply typing out the full word title of the link even though the table is inherently about computers for simplicity this is really just a personal opinion than anything else i haven t checked any official documentation to see if this is appropriate suggestion to make for such a table techhead7890 talk 07 21 9 december 2013 utc reply encyclopedic terms vs brand names edit latest comment 12 years ago 1 comment 1 person in discussion i think it does not hurt the wikipedia to maintain this navbar but i think it should be cleaned of any marketing terms and especially brands e g chromebook is some brand not a size less concise are terms like palm size pc pocket pc or pocket computer or palmtop pc or ultra mobile pc which afais do not represent different sizes but are all products of different marketing departments feature phone is another typical a marketing term ultrabook could be by intel where is the difference to a netbook or a smartbook subnotebook seems to be the most encyclopedic article and the picture file macbookeeepcnintendods jpg at least tries to bring some clarity even the term personal computer pc is afaik based on ibm marketing see ibm pc compatible i would bother to delete them articles but in case the people who wrote those article would like people writing other article to link to them well some clean up would be nice remember clarity is something marketing departments want to insinuate but definitely not something they want to really provide user scotxw t lk 17 18 20 june 2014 utc reply since when are servers obsolete edit latest comment 11 years ago 1 comment 1 person in discussion minicomputer is massively obsolete as a term though sagittarian milky way talk 21 47 16 august 2015 utc reply retrieved from https en wikipedia org w index php title template_talk computer_sizes oldid 1229330760 categories template class computing pages na importance computing pages template class computer science pages na importance computer science pages template class computer hardware pages na importance computer hardware pages all computing articles this page was last edited on 16 june 2024 at 06 25 utc page was rendered with parsoid text is available under the creative commons attribution sharealike 4 0 license additional terms may apply by using this site you agree to the terms of use and privacy policy wikipedia 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