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template talk crowns wikipedia jump to content main menu main menu move to sidebar hide navigation main page contents current events random article about wikipedia contact us contribute help learn to edit community portal recent changes upload file special pages search search appearance donate create account log in personal tools donate create account log in contents move to sidebar hide top 1 previously unsectioned comments 1 comment 2 tfd 3 crown of scotland 2 comments 4 suggestions to improve this template 1 comment 5 number of entries in this template 4 comments 6 merge template types of crowns 1 comment 7 holland and the netherlands 1 comment 8 crowns of the british isles 1 comment toggle the table of contents template talk crowns add languages page contents not supported in other languages add topic template talk english read edit view history tools tools move to sidebar hide actions read edit add topic view history general what links here related changes upload file permanent link page information get shortened url switch to legacy parser print export download as pdf printable version in other projects appearance move to sidebar hide from wikipedia the free encyclopedia latest comment 8 years ago by heterodoxa in topic crowns of the british isles previously unsectioned comments edit latest comment 21 years ago 1 comment 1 person in discussion shouldn t we combine this template setting of british crowns together with the european crowns and other crowns otherwise it takes up too much space at the bottom also by putting the british crowns first it looks as if they have a prerogative over other crowns which is not a good idea i think because this wikipedia is international right no it doesn t work if you try that then for technical accuracy one has to subdivide english british crowns by era english great british united kingdom because some of the crowns of england though kept in the british crown jewels aren t technically british crowns as they have never been used by british monarchs ie worn after 1707 so it gets very messy alphabeticalising them produces other complex problems as does arranging them by date as the uk is the only major monarchy still to use crowns rather than keep them in museums or parliamentary buildings it is natural that a they have more crowns than defunct monarchies and b they should be subcategorised if it was france that had fifteen or twenty crowns rather than england britain the uk it would make sense to subcategorise them putting them together produces an unwieldly mess separating them keeps in easy to follow i tried other formulas the reason this interim format was used is because most of the information available right now is about english british and united kingdom crowns when we have the names and links to more crowns we can then design a format for them or maybe have separate templates for consort crowns coronation crowns and state crowns but merging all crowns in one bunch is unworkable without using other information that makes the page big anyway the way you merged them here for example is pov as it treats english british uk crowns as special ie no need to say where they are from while other international crowns are categorised i ve reverted to the original version but swapped the position of the english and british crowns and the european and world crowns so that the latter is at the top the template is one of the bigger ones but unlike other large templates this one does need subcategorisation to make it easy to follow having all in one pile when most of them come from one category and need additional words like england great britain or united kingdom added in after every one of their crowns produces a messy and ugly template i tried it and the results were neither easy to follow nor attractive fear éireann talk 16 31 28 may 2005 utc reply it does still look bulgy but i ll go with the current format talk tfd edit this template was nominated for deletion but consensus was to keep it see wikipedia templates for deletion log not deleted june 2005 for details in the discussion it was suggested to split the template into one for british crowns and one for other crowns or to convert it to a category instead r adiant _ 09 29 jun 13 2005 utc crown of scotland edit latest comment 21 years ago 2 comments 2 people in discussion couldn t you link to honours of scotland instead of crown of scotland hun2 16 11 20 july 2005 utc reply the honours is the set of crown jewels the article i am proposing is specifically about the crown alone we have a template that includes the honours and all other crown jewels this template is about crowns in the jewels fear éireann caint 16 59 20 july 2005 utc reply suggestions to improve this template edit latest comment 20 years ago 1 comment 1 person in discussion i think it would be more logical if the crowns were ordered by alphabetical order by the names of their countries right now there s no logical ordering it would look nicer if there was an image on both sides of the template heading now it looks very half sided alensha 15 19 19 january 2006 utc reply number of entries in this template edit latest comment 20 years ago 4 comments 3 people in discussion apparently one editor is offended by me adding relevant danish material to this template on the same level as the material of e g romania france prussia etc in any case it is constantly being removed i m going to start articles on those and i see absolutely no reason not to include such entries here precedence is established by similar material the crown of christian v is the royal crown of denmark and has been a national symbol for the last 400 years the crown of christian iv is an exceptionally fine piece of renaissance work and most likely the only such preserved example in europe either all relevant examples should be included or all countries should have their material merged to one article each starting with the british material i don t see why the crown of the queen of romania should be included here but not relevant danish material valentinian talk 14 28 16 may 2006 utc reply because the crown of the queen of romania has a separate article about it while the danish crown hasn t wp context doesn t allow to spawn red links gratuitously especially in templates i do believe that you are going to start this one and will not revert any more cheers ghirla трёп 14 37 16 may 2006 utc reply let s call that a deal valentinian talk 14 42 16 may 2006 utc reply this is an article about individual crowns if a country has 5 crowns then all five go in it is not meant to link to pages about whole regalias and yes red links always go into templates because templates are a work in progress so links are being filled when this template was started two thirds of the links were red they were put in to enable others with information on crowns to add in articles are they arose one by one people filled in those links iranians added in articles about the red linked iranian crowns danish people filled in links to danish crowns etc there is one remaining red link which no doubt will be used to create an article on that crown creating valid links to be used but which are still red is not spawning red links gratuitously creating links to nothing in particular or to non existing topics is it is perfectly normal for templates to have red links to valid topics that simply haven t been written about yet fear éireann caint 15 51 16 may 2006 utc reply merge template types of crowns edit latest comment 19 years ago 1 comment 1 person in discussion a couple of the entries in template types of crowns are actually individual crowns and not types if that template is cleaned up there wouldn t be much left i think it best to simply add a line to the bottom of this template linking to the basic types of crowns coronet circlet coronation consort and state publiusfl 01 02 6 february 2007 utc reply holland and the netherlands edit latest comment 18 years ago 1 comment 1 person in discussion both kingdoms posessed a royal crown the crown of louis napoleon existed only on paper there are two modern crowns one of them was used at queen beatrix s accession ceremony i am just out of hospital but i promise to write an appropriate article with a link to the dutch wikipedia as soon as possible faithfully yours 10 19 21 january 2008 utc robert prummel talk 10 20 21 january 2008 utc reply crowns of the british isles edit latest comment 8 years ago 1 comment 1 person in discussion why the crowns belonging to countries in the british isles are given a preeminent position by being placed at the beginning of the crowns template if primacy there is to warranted then it should go either to the ancient ones or to the numerous ones like those belonging to states of the holy roman empire otherwise a strict alphabetical order should be followed preceding unsigned comment added by heterodoxa talk contribs 07 27 9 may 2018 utc reply retrieved from https en 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