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user lwg these are the llm users in your neighborhood wikipedia jump to content main menu main menu move to sidebar hide navigation main page contents current events random article about wikipedia contact us contribute help learn to edit community portal recent changes upload file special pages search search appearance donate create account log in personal tools donate create account log in contents move to sidebar hide top 1 types toggle types subsection 1 1 the tech bro 1 2 the civil pov pusher 1 3 the pr firm 1 4 the non native english speaker 1 5 the vibe coder 1 6 the student assignment 1 7 the renewed hobby 1 8 the trophy collector toggle the table of contents user lwg these are the llm users in your neighborhood add languages user page talk english read edit view history tools tools move to sidebar hide actions read edit view history general what links here related changes user contributions user logs view user groups upload file permanent link page information get shortened url switch to legacy parser print export download as pdf printable version in other projects appearance move to sidebar hide from wikipedia the free encyclopedia user lwg this is an essay it contains the advice or opinions of one or more wikipedia contributors this page is not an encyclopedia article or a wikipedia policy as it has not been reviewed by the community shortcut wp llmusers wp llmusers for a number of reasons the use of large language models to generate or rewrite content on the english wikipedia is forbidden however for a number of reasons many people still do so like other types of disruptive editing the insertion of llm generated content into wikipedia is kept in check by the endless work of volunteer editors who identify and remove llm content inform the editors who added it of our llm policy and when necessary report persistent llm users to venues such as the ai noticeboard or ani for the editors who spend so much time doing this cleanup it s easy to let all the llm users they have ever interacted with merge into one amorphous them which leads to attributing the motives and behaviors of all llm users to each llm user this essay exists to help editors who work in the areas of llm cleanup and editor mentorship understand the human on the other side of the chatbot which will hopefully lead to better outcomes from these conversations and help us stay focused on engaging with editors in a way that will make the wiki better the challenge is that the best way to engage to get our desired outcome is different for each of these types of editor when you are interacting with an llm using editor especially if you are the first contact raising this issue with them start by asking yourself which type of editor the person behind the chatbot likely is and then proceed with that in mind so without further ado these are the llm users in your neighbohood types edit the tech bro edit an early adopter who got excited about the capabilities of llms and thought wikipedia was a good place to test them out identifying features mass creation of new articles on a fairly niche topic repeatedly making similar changes to existing articles typical response to complaints condescension i understand and share your dislike of slop but my workflow ensures quality output something about fud ai is inevitable wikipedia must embrace it or perish our desired outcome this person should understand that yes they do have to follow the guidelines the wikipedia community has already weighed all the arguments they are about to make and has found them wanting the authors of wikipedia s ai guidance include many people with a deep understanding of these tools and many people who use these tools frequently in appropriate use cases but we have collectively decided that generating or rewriting content on wikipedia is not one of those appropriate use cases if they accept this there is no reason why this person can t be a productive editor though they may decide that manual editing isn t interesting to them the civil pov pusher edit this person has a perspective they want to insert into wikipedia and is using ai because it allows them to insert their desired content at scale identifying features edits exclusively in a topic that is controversial in some way edit summaries include lots of ai generated wp wtf typical response to complaints evasion let s keep this discussion focused on the content issues ai accusations are a distraction you should assume good faith see wp letsfocuson likely to open llm generated noticeboard posts and get wp boomeranged our desired outcome this person should be directed towards the normal dispute resolution process as soon as possible and that they engage in that process with their own words many productive editors started out as single purpose accounts who were motivated to come here because they felt their perspective wasn t being represented and broad representation of diverse perspectives is beneficial to the project the pr firm edit this person puts ai marketing copy everywhere and wikipedia happened to be on their list today identifying features all edits are to a single article or set of related articles with which the user likely has a conflict of interest edits consist mostly of copy pasting raw llm output that speaks in glowing terms about the subject typical response to complaints none continues editing until blocked or strongly warned may pivot to llm generated edit requests if pointed to wp coiedit our desired outcome they should be shown the door and have their changes reverted as efficiently as possible it is unlikely that this type of editor will become one of the very few coi editors who actually contribute constructively the non native english speaker edit this person is frustrated by what they perceive as wikipedia s inadequate coverage of some aspect of their home culture but doesn t have sufficient english fluency to write in an encyclopedic register identifying features dramatic differences between the register of english they use from one edit to the next if a long term editor a dramatic shift in editing patterns around 2024 typical response to complaints denial i m not a robot why am i being treated like this edits and talk page comments show signs of ai writing but ping less than 100 on ai detection software if incontrovertible proof of ai use is presented may pivot to swearing never to use ai again or declaring that they are leaving the project forever but often without directly admitting to the past ai use our desired outcome this person should understand that perfect english is not required to contribute to wikipedia if they have sufficient english to read and understand the article they are editing they can just make the required edits and trust other editors to come along and clarify or clean up grammar if their english is not at a good enough level to contribute they should be pointed to a wikipedia in their native language they can also use edit requests if they like also there are likely other editors here who can read their language and would be willing to engage with them on their talk page because users like this often have the ability to access non english sources they are potentially extremely valuable assets and we would like them to stay around unfortunately many of these editors have a desire to save face which makes it very difficult to respond to direct accusations in a way that satisfies venues like ani the vibe coder edit this person just uses ai for all writing tasks and has never done otherwise identifying features a mix of ai signs and clear evidence of human intent in their edits account created 2024 or later wp oaicite and utm_source typical response to complaints but i don t know how to edit without ai our desired outcome this person should develop their communication and writing skills until they reach a point where they can write coherent meaningful text without reliance on an ai chatbot without doing damage to wikipedia or wasting too much of our time as they do so this person probably isn t ready to edit wikipedia yet but unless we figure out how to recruit and equip people from this demographic our editor shortage will probably continue to increase the student assignment edit this person posts their homework which is what many students have used chatgpt for to wikipedia usually because doing so is a graded assignment in their class identifying features they usually say that they re a student on the rare occasions that they don t they generally edit articles that correspond to things you would write a college essay on sometimes draft them in a sandbox with an outline or peer review and finally add them to the article in one huge edit typical response to complaints none they usually don t stick around after the class and if they re in a wikiedu course they re often flagged by their coordinators and or their professors if they respond it seems to be off wiki our desired outcome basically the same as the vibe coder secondarily that their professors get better at catching this stuff the renewed hobby edit this editor drifted away from wikipedia but the discovery of llm tools has inspired them to return identifying features was an active editor years ago has a gap in their activity that might even be 10 years then sometime after 2022 they suddenly come back with a prolific burst of editing which clearly resembles ai and clearly doesn t resemble their old stuff typical response to complaints that they re a productive editor who has been here since whenever with however many edits and shouldn t be sanctioned like a newbie and that they re just following wikipedia guidelines they re not and writing like they used to they demonstrably are not they may also be used to older more permissive norms about notability and reliable sources our desired outcome they should retain their enthusiasm they obviously want to contribute more than most people just without the ai part they also need to familiarize themselves with the new guidelines since the ai guidelines aren t the only ones that have changed the trophy collector edit this person is chasing the types of formal recognition available on wikipedia and sees llms as a shortcut to getting there identifying features also more likely than not to be a longtime editor frequent submissions to dyks gas or even fas including successful submissions make dozens or hundreds of small piecemeal edits to one article at a time and in aggregate it s clear that they are either ai edits or based on ai summarization of the sources typical response to complaints i used ai to polish but all ideas are my own and i verified everything against the source or i worked really hard on this or the reviewer said it was ok the reviewer will sometimes also jump in here saying it s ok our desired outcome they should understand that ai is making their articles worse not better and that they actually do need to read the sources they cite more importantly that this stuff stops making it through the dyk ga fa process retrieved from https en wikipedia org w index php title user lwg these_are_the_llm_users_in_your_neighborhood oldid 1376953071 category user essays this page was last edited on 27 september 2026 at 03 22 utc page was rendered with parsoid text is available under the creative commons attribution sharealike 4 0 license additional terms may apply by using this site you agree to the terms of use and privacy policy wikipedia is a registered trademark of the wikimedia foundation inc a non profit organization privacy policy about wikipedia disclaimers contact wikipedia legal safety contacts code of conduct developers statistics cookie statement mobile view search search toggle the table of contents user lwg these are the llm users in your neighborhood add languages add topic