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relitigate a criminal trial based on your own opinion of the events brmsf talk 22 39 8 july 2024 utc reply i have backed up everything i have said with sources you just so happen to disagree with the sources including the ones you offered brmsf talk 22 48 8 july 2024 utc statements moved to own section please comment only in this section seraphimblade talk to me 22 58 8 july 2024 utc reply statement by jackthesecond edit procedural comment an ani discussion on this topic was opened be the accused party regarding the filer at wp ani user kathleen s bike also i requested the page protection level suggested below statement by star mississippi edit i protected the page subsequent to the ani report but before seeing this because they were both edit warring if any admin thinks it s resolved feel free to unprotect star mississippi 00 49 9 july 2024 utc reply statement by username edit result concerning 78 147 140 112 edit this section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators comments by others will be moved to the sections above this ip s first edit was to wp ani which leads me to believe that this is logged out socking ani is project space and logged out or alternate account participation there is not permitted i m rather inclined to block them given that if the ip editor wants some other result you will need to log in to your actual account seraphimblade talk to me 14 49 6 july 2024 utc reply checkuser requested is there evidence of wp loutsocking here from a technical perspective the behavioral evidence in this tread also leads me towards suspecting it as plausible but i would want a bit more this is because the cidr range is a 15 and one of the related 16s do appear to show some recent awareness of projectspace outside of this instance see this ip s comments on ani last month we obviously cannot connect to a specific master publicly though newpolitician talk tag contribs deleted contribs logs filter log block user block log ca checkuser log investigate cuwiki si appears in last month s ani thread and appeared to have an interest in the politics of the united kingdom red tailed hawk nest 22 05 7 july 2024 utc reply it s at least likely that all three of the ips including the two below are the same user dynamic ips are not inherently forbidden but it meets the definitions of wp projsock and wp loutsock to take advantage of changing ip addresses to give the appearance of being multiple editors and i think projsock compels an editor who edits from dynamic ips to make an effort to disclose the connection this user has not and appears to have claimed the opposite on at least one occasion see point 3 in the complaint i ll leave it to the other reviewers here to determine if that merits a sanction i saw no indication that they are also participating with an account ivanvector talk edits 15 59 8 july 2024 utc reply i do think that lying about not having previously made an edit is worthy of something but if a stern warning to not wp loutsock going forward is all that is needed to prevent that sort of disruption in the future then that is all the something that we should pursue red tailed hawk nest 00 54 9 july 2024 utc reply at least as a first resort hopefully don t do that again will suffice if it proves not to we can always take further action then seraphimblade talk to me 02 56 9 july 2024 utc reply absent anyone else relying in the next 18ish hours i will close this thread along those lines red tailed hawk nest 03 56 12 july 2024 utc reply agree with seraphimblade the ip editor can either use their regular account or create one in the unlikely scenario that they are genuinely a new user it is hard to agf given their apparent attempt to deceive see the sequence when editing from other ips including 92 30 6 163 talk contribs ip contribs whois and 82 16 150 34 talk contribs ip contribs whois if the current problem persists the article pages can be semi protected and if necessary even their talkpage can have pending changes enabled abecedare talk 15 30 6 july 2024 utc reply now that the ip has created an account and the issue is being discussed on the article talkpage i believe that this ae report can be closed for now with just a reminder warning i would advice both user brmsf and user kathleen s bike to tone down the rhetoric and be mindful not to bludgeon the rfc best to state your respective case once with sources and then let others weigh in abecedare talk 16 30 9 july 2024 utc reply aredoros87 edit aredoros87 indefinitely topic banned from aa2 callanecc talk contribs logs 04 29 15 july 2024 utc reply the following discussion has been closed please do not modify it this request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the request section below requests may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs not counting required information except by permission of a reviewing administrator request concerning aredoros87 edit user who is submitting this request for enforcement vanezi astghik talk contribs deleted contribs logs filter log block user block log 09 05 4 july 2024 utc reply user against whom enforcement is requested aredoros87 talk contribs deleted contribs logs filter log block user block log sanction or remedy to be enforced wikipedia arbitration requests case armenia azerbaijan 3 diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy and an explanation how these edits violate it 16 june 2024 re adding contentious content that was previously reverted and never reply to the talk discussion 24 june 2024 removes the development projects for being unsourced when there are in fact multiple sources see philanthropy and social entrepreneurship section which aredoros87 also edited in 22 june 2024 during an afd likely to be redirected which happened two days later aredoros87 heavily expands the article and says they will add the content elsewhere if the article is redirected 24 june 2024 moves the afd article content to this article with a number of wp npov violations such as using the word occupation for a town shushi shusha that wasn t part of the occupied regions 30 june 2024 further pov pushing use of occupation for shushi with partisan low quality sources diffs of previous relevant sanctions if any 29 december 2023 arbitration enforcement sanctions including temporary aa ban and an indefinite restriction requiring to obtain consensus to readd any content that has reverted in any article related to armenia azerbaijan and related ethnic conflicts broadly construed if contentious topics restrictions are requested supply evidence that the user is aware of them see wp ctop awareness of contentious topics previously given a discretionary sanction or contentious topic restriction or warned for conduct in the area of conflict on 29 december 2023 by callanecc talk contribs blocks protections deletions page moves rights rfa additional comments by editor filing complaint despite still having an indefinite restriction requiring to obtain consensus to readd any content that has been reverted in aa or related conflict articles aredoros87 has violated it in addition they ve been pov pushing and removing sourced content vanezi talk 09 05 4 july 2024 utc reply that cannot be false when there was never any consensus to include the contentious content if aredoros had discussed the sources on the talk page instead of reverting in violation of their sanction and adding 3 new sources i would ve pointed out that 2 of those sources are both by fahrettin kırzıoğlu who probably never before has a single person in turkey falsified history so massively err no we don t have to citations in the lead are usually redundant because it s a summary of information in the body aredoros just removed cited information they didn t like and it wasn t added by a random non ec user aredoros clearly didn t just add sources they added pov pushing ditto pov pushing with obviously partisan sources again if aredoros adds the shushi occupation pov pushing to the article after it already has a strong consensus to redirect then copies that to another article after then it s not just moving content vanezi talk 08 48 5 july 2024 utc reply notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested discussion concerning aredoros87 edit statements must be made in separate sections they may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs except by permission of a reviewing administrator administrators may remove or shorten noncompliant statements disruptive contributions may result in blocks statement by aredoros87 edit false when the content was removed by vanezi i started a discussion on talk page he said more sources would be needed and i added 3 new sources for that specific content under the edit summary added kökçe version with extra sources per discussion i removed an unsourced claim even if there is information in the body of the article we still need to have references for the statements in the intro this could have been restored with a proper reference deleting unsourced claims is not a violation that particular page is being edited by a number of random non ec newly registered users even i had to request for protection this edit was also done by a person that i reported here just one day after it s being closed vanezi made this report not correct the page was proposed to be deleted or redirected just because it was unsourced and duplicate as mentioned by the nominator i added sources and left a comment saying i added sources and pics to all items in the list technically speaking i would support redirecting if the consensus will be redirect i will move the content as well otherwise i will extend the article in the end article was redirected and i moved the content there the result of the afd was to redirect that doesn t mean the sourced content cannot be reused in the redirected article i simply moved content from the deleted article without checking the wording if there s problem with the wording talk page is the place vanezi should discuss first aredoros 17 53 4 july 2024 utc 1 vanezi never challenged reliability of the sources as you can see from the talk page he complained about wp weight and asked for more sources and i added please pay attention that in this report initially vanezi claimed that i re added a content without a discussion now he she is challenging sources 2 from mos leadcite complex current or controversial subjects may require many citations others few or none 3 from wp discussafd if you wish for an article to be kept you can directly improve the article to address the reasons for deletion given in the nomination which is what i did if there s a problem with the sources vanezi could start a discussion first 4 on talk page arguments should be presented first to challenge the sources 5 as i mentioned in this edit summary copy from the revision i just moved content from this revision which was redirected without any discussion also stating that shusha was occupied is not pov pushing some international organizations such as pace considered nagorno karabakh an occupied territory from pace report nagorno karabakh and the other occupied territories of azerbaijan we could have a discussion to decide whether to use occupied or controlled but vanezi never started a discussion aredoros87 talk 18 53 5 july 2024 utc reply scottishfinnishradish 1 on 10 05 i started a discussion on 17 05 vanezi replied me saying more sources are needed on 16 06 i found new ones and added why vanezi didn t challenge the reliability of the sources for 18 days what was he waiting for isn t it weird the user also ignored talk pages on other articles as well please see the conversation there vanezi just ignored section 3 2 but there s no ref tag next to it mos leadcite says controversial subjects may require many citations 3 all you mentioned in green text already exists in article i just added missing part and i want to note the article was heavily edited by user who declared it s connection to the subject originally this article had almost no critical information about vardanyan despite critical reports in major western media aredoros87 talk 09 06 12 july 2024 utc reply statement by username edit result concerning aredoros87 edit this section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators comments by others will be moved to the sections above this seems to have gotten somewhat missed arbpia threads like the one below have a bit of a habit of sucking all the air out of the room i ll try to read through this when i can but just commenting here to keep the bots at bay seraphimblade talk to me 04 17 9 july 2024 utc reply i too will try and come back and look through in the next few days callanecc talk contribs logs 04 44 11 july 2024 utc reply having looked at the diffs above before i saw sfr s post i came to the same conclusion that 1 is a violation of the restriction and that the editing to the ruben vardanyan article is problematic it also worth noting that in the original thread which lead the sanction aredoros87 s editing of the ruben vardanyan article was a large part of the problem i agree that a tban from aa related topics is an appropriate way forward especially when considered in the context of wp arbaa3 administrators encouraged i d also suggest noting that if a future appeal of that tban is successful it should come with a tban from ruben vardanyan given it was my original sanction i m willing to do the tban but i ll wait a couple days for others to weigh in callanecc talk contribs logs 06 58 12 july 2024 utc reply after reading your response i have decided to issue a topic ban from aa2 whether you can excuse it or not this is a clear break of the consensus required restriction which requires you to seek consensus for challenged edits not to make them and hope for consensus regarding the other two your reason does not justify the actions you took or are not relevant to the problem behind your editing this is a clear violation of their sanction to not re add reverted content without consensus this removal was clearly sourced in a section and this fails npov as cherry picking and is a overly close paraphrase from the source which says machine translated why ruben vardanyan can see the future was the title of an article published in gq magazine in 2017 in it vardanyan is portrayed as a philanthropist and visionary which is what he tried to portray himself as in the 2010s after he made his fortune in the 1990s during those years he launched charity projects invested in the skolkovo business school where according to his idea personnel for russian business should be forged and built a school in dilijan armenia with a unique educational methodology that should unite people nations and cultures in the name of peace and a sustainable future the source runs nearly 5000 words i see a topic ban as a reasonable response scottishfinnishradish talk 12 15 11 july 2024 utc reply salfanto edit salfanto blocked indef diff as a 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