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august 2012 equality press home about the logic of equality the difference between a and not a equality press entries rss comments rss pages about the logic of equality the difference between a and not a archives march 2014 august 2012 june 2012 january 2012 october 2011 september 2011 july 2011 october 2009 august 2009 march 2009 february 2009 september 2008 august 2008 june 2008 may 2008 april 2008 march 2008 february 2008 meta create account log in entries feed comments feed wordpress com a reply to denny burk on the centrality of complementarianism posted on august 30 2012 by adam there has been some discussion about why organizations like together for the gospel and the gospel coalition include a complementarian clause in their confessional statements see their respective videos here and here carl trueman speaks for many when he says he is confused by this emphasis on gender roles he writes w hy is the complementarian egalitarian debate such a significant bone of contention in parachurch cobelligerent organisations whose stated purpose is to set aside issues which divide at a church level but which do not seem to impact directly upon the gospel why for instance is this issue of more importance than say differences over baptism or understandings of the lord s supper historically and confessionally those have been the issues that divide so it is strange to see the adjective confessional applied to movements which actually sideline the very doctrinal differences which made protestant confessions necessary in the first place this is not a new question however and denny burk gives an answer in the form of a metaphor every year i visit my dermatologist for a check up in those examinations he looks at everything growing on or under my skin to see if there is anything that needs to be removed every year he observes a number of moles skin tags and other unseemly blemishes for aesthetic reasons he ll sometimes suggest that i have one or more of these blemishes removed a suggestion that i typically refuse on two occasions however my doctor has identified blemishes that he insisted must be removed because they were precancerous i rely on the doctor to distinguish the benign blemishes from those that will develop into something that is malignant neither type of blemish will kill me but what grows out of the latter type of blemish can indeed end my life differences over secondary theological issues are like those blemishes by themselves they are merely theological blemishes that do not necessarily threaten the central issues of the gospel like those blemishes however some of them have the potential to turn into a theological cancer some secondary issues have more deadly potential than others and we all have an obligation to be able to distinguish the former from the latter two reasons are given to explain why egalitarianism is likened to a cancerous mole first there is what i call the tortuous gymnastics objection as articulated by lig duncan the denial of complementarianism undermines the church s practical embrace of the authority of scripture thus eventually and inevitably harming the church s witness to the gospel the gymnastics required to get from i do not allow a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man in the bible to i do allow a woman to teach and to exercise authority over a man in the actual practice of the local church are devastating to the functional authority of the scripture in the life of the people of god the second is the new path to liberalism argument as stated by mark dever and more precisely by wayne grudem dear reader you may not agree with me on this and i don t desire to be right in my fears but it seems to me and others many who are younger than myself that this issue of egalitarianism and complementarianism is increasingly acting as the watershed distinguishing those who will accomodate sic scripture to culture and those who will attempt to shape culture by scripture you may disagree but this is our honest concern before god it is no lack of charity nor honesty it is no desire for power or tradition for tradition s sake it is our sober conclusion from observing the last 50 years i thinks this a great discussion and i left this response in the comments of denny s post denny thanks for this post some thoughts in response first the duncan quote the gymnastics required to get from i do not allow a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man in the bible to i do allow a woman to teach and to exercise authority over a man in the actual practice of the local church are devastating to the functional authority of the scripture in the life of the people of god i ve never understood why the tortuous gymnastics charge picks out egalitarians and not others are not the same broad principles applied to jesus s command do not to resist an evil person matt 5 39 such that when considering cases like rape the victim is allowed to resist an evil person the point is there is a time and place where this instruction holds and where it does not likewise as egalitarians tend to read paul s restrictive passages the purpose of the restrictions are explained as taking into account uneducated and contentious women again we might disagree about this but the authority of scripture is not at stake rather it is our interpretation of scripture just because someone holds a more expansive range of cases where an imperative applies does not mean one holds a stronger view of the authority of scripture we would not grant that to a hardcore pacifist why should we grant this to duncan no good reason i can see second i think the sort of arguments which conclude egalitarianism is a new path to liberalism are flawed they represent the so called track record like this 1 if one holds to egalitarianism then one probably undermines the authority of scripture 2 if one undermines the authority of scripture then one is probably on a path to liberalism 3 there are people who hold to egalitarianism 4 therefore there are people who are probably on the path to liberalism call this the argument in order for the argument to go through one has to show that premise 1 is true that is that holding to egalitarianism is a causal factor that at least increases the likelihood of undermining the authority of scripture but i think this is far from clear in light of the sizable contingent of scholars who truly hold to the authority of scripture and egalitarianism obviously holding to egalitarianism isn t a sufficient condition for undermining the authority of scripture a la roger nicole and of course neither it is necessary one can deny the authority of scripture while rejecting egalitarian gender roles plenty of conservative muslims and jews do just that therefore i think the argument would be better stated like this 1 if one does not hold to the authority of scripture then one is probably on a path to liberalism 2 if one is on a path to liberalism then one probably holds to egalitarian gender roles 3 there are people who do not hold to the authority of scripture 4 therefore there are people who probably hold to egalitarian gender roles of course evangelical egalitarians would agree with this argument because the determinative issue is whether one holds to biblical authority not egalitarian gender roles filed under complementarianism leave a comment calendar august 2012 m t w t f s s 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 jun mar complementarians cbmw s blog denny burk egalitarians christian for biblical equality god s word to women men and women together rebecca merrill groothuis the cbe scroll good reads equal in being unequal in role biblical equality statement of faith blog at wordpress com wp designer subscribe subscribed equality press sign me up already have a wordpress com account log in now privacy equality press subscribe subscribed sign up log in report this content view site in reader manage subscriptions collapse this 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