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2012 january football management football management commentary on the management of over 160 english football clubs by dr john beech winner of the fsf writer of the year award 2009 10 twitter johnbeech curator of scoop it football finance home about courses links no of clubs overviews research resources recent posts content at coventry on coventry city hereford united and salisbury city not forgetting the owners directors test moving on from sisu out ready to come back onto the e pitch opening a can of worms for once a personal note part and parcel of the modern game the stadium curse pompey the turning point round up of season 2011 12 a little light uefanomics so is it really goodbye bluebirds hello red dragons deconstructing peter lorimer why i shall be especially grumpy this saturday afternoon the new broken time payments recent updates newest first worcester city update plymouth update cardiff debt down from guns to darts governance update fickle fate update intern shooting update russo v scally result olympic stadium latest jack frost update portsmouth latest liverpool inconsistency fifa political interference latest croydon athletic latest ilkeston latest welling update pompey lever latest portsmouth latest ilkeston update quick club searches accrington stanley afc liverpool afc telford afc wimbledon aldershot altrincham arsenal ashford town kent aston villa barnet barnsley barrow bedford town bicester town billingham town birmingham city blackburn rovers blackpool bolton wanderers boston united bournemouth bradford city bradford park avenue brentford brighton bristol city bristol rovers bromsgrove rovers burnley burscough burton albion bury cambridge city cambridge united canterbury city canvey island cardiff city carlisle united charlton athletic chelsea cheltenham town chester city afc chesterfield clacton coventry crawley crewe cromer town croydon athletic crystal palace dagenham redbridge darlington darwen derby county doncaster rovers dorchester town 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in subscribe entries rss comments rss archive for january 2012 the magic of football still there in the cups posted by john beech on january 27 2012 it s increasingly difficult to see any magic in the beautiful game other than black magic especially when you look at it from a financial perspective you only need to think of the narrow escapes at plymouth and wrexham recently and both portsmouth and darlington are standing on the edge of the precipice the cups may be a different matter however recently louise taylor suggested that the fa cup third round had failed to cast any magic on fans 1 below i ve taken her data and in italics added some more it struck me that whatever magic there might be would be associated with the possibility of a giant killing or as the bbc have started to call it a cupset did the possibility of a cupset bring out the fans especially in the case where the minnow was playing at home home club tier away club tier away home tier fa cup attendance average league attendance difference mk dons 3 qpr 1 2 19 506 8 217 11 289 swindon town 4 wigan 1 3 13 238 7 887 5 351 bristol rovers 4 aston villa 1 3 10 883 6 122 4 761 gillingham 4 stoke 1 3 9 872 5 482 4 390 macclesfield town 4 bolton 1 3 5 757 2 222 3 535 fleetwood town 5 blackpool 2 3 5 092 1 781 3 311 dagenham redbridge 4 millwall 2 2 3 396 2 161 1 235 crawley town 4 bristol city 2 2 3 779 3 181 598 brighton and hove albion 2 wrexham 5 3 18 573 18 595 22 chelsea 1 portsmouth 2 1 41 529 41 632 103 manchester city 1 manchester united 1 0 46 808 47 013 205 doncaster rovers 2 notts county 3 1 9 535 9 750 215 peterborough united 2 sunderland 1 1 8 954 9 233 279 liverpool 1 oldham 3 2 44 556 44 857 301 tottenham hotspur 1 cheltenham 4 3 35 672 36 071 399 sheffield wednesday 3 west ham 2 1 17 916 20 041 2 125 barnsley 2 swansea 1 1 7 380 10 719 3 339 norwich city 1 burnley 2 1 22 898 26 516 3 618 nottingham forest 2 leicester 2 0 18 477 22 224 3 747 watford 2 bradford 4 2 8 935 12 731 3 796 birmingham city 2 wolverhampton 1 1 14 594 18 682 4 088 fulham 1 charlton 3 2 20 317 25 315 4 998 middlesbrough 2 shrewsbury 4 2 12 631 18 164 5 533 coventry city 2 southampton 2 0 9 000 14 813 5 813 everton 1 tamworth 5 4 27 564 33 407 5 843 reading 2 stevenage 3 1 11 295 18 554 7 259 sheffield united 3 salisbury 6 3 10 488 18 559 8 071 hull city 2 ipswich 2 0 10 246 18 922 8 676 west bromwich albion 1 cardiff 2 1 12 454 24 794 12 340 derby county 2 crystal palace 2 0 10 113 26 133 16 020 newcastle united 1 blackburn 1 0 30 876 48 866 17 990 totals 2 29 2 32 1 522 334 602 644 80 310 i have added the away teams the tiers in which each team plays and the difference between the tiers at each game the list has been sorted into an order from the greatest increase to the greatest drop in the number attending the results are not entirely surprising where the home team is two or more divisions below the away team the fans have turned out in extra numbers at games like everton v tamworth and sheffield united v salisbury the home fans staying away outnumber any boost in the minnow s away following the two biggest differences are at matches between clubs in the same division overall there is a fairly clear picture of the fa cup lacking magic except when a home team might just cause a cupset below is a graphic representation with a rather unscientific trendline it s unscientific in that there are many variables at work here including for example the distance away fans have to travel and in any case we are dealing with fairly small numbers of games one difficulty is that a scientific look at this phenomenon would require details of ticket allocations for away fans and implicitly therefore home fans given that stadium capacity is known and the percentage of these which were sold does anyone know a single source on the internet which gives these this would be an interesting topic for research as the outcomes would provide a basis for a scientific allocation of tickets for away 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