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administrator can only be good news just how many times can the same person save a club trevor birch s choice may or may not have been influenced by the blogs of micah hall 3 but certainly the lack of response to the questions micah posed to tavistock communications portpin s pr company spoke volumes micah s digging deserves an award and shows how far a fan can go in the bigger picture of financial decision making the fly in the ointment of the sale is of course the issue of the value that chainrai is trying to place on fratton park unless he finally decides to bow out gracefully accepting that he made a very bad business call the matter will go to court with independent valuations at a much lower level the trust stands a very good chance of getting the desired result there is also the matter of a potential further ten points deduction on coming out of administration here i am less optimistic i fear it will be yet more evidence that the deduction of points is an entirely dysfunctional sanction but let s not burn our bridges before we come to them all in all there does finally seem to be a light at the end of the tunnel and this hopefully will prove a turning point in the club s miserable fortunes in the bigger picture it may well prove to be a turning point in the road to fan ownership of clubs it does need to be seen though as one of many turning points as i m sure brentford chester exeter wrexham and wimbledon fans and that s not a definitive list would be quick to point out it s significance will depend on how well the hybrid model involving high net worth individuals will work in practice if it does work it will doubtless encourage the supporters trusts at bigger clubs such as liverpool manchester united and newcastle as a member of the pompey supporters trust i feel considerably more confident regarding the future than i have for a very long time i ve even put a bottle of bubbly in the fridge but i ll not actually open it though until fratton park is in the fans hands the only certainty is the debt of gratitude pompey fans owe to the pst board let s show our gratitude by uniting behind them share this share on facebook opens in new window facebook share on x opens in new window x share on reddit opens in new window reddit like loading posted in community fans insolvency ownership points deduction sanctions stadium trusts tagged community fans insolvency ownership points deduction sanctions stadium supporters trust 3 comments so is it really goodbye bluebirds hello red dragons posted by john beech on june 7 2012 like the old joke about anti social behaviour in a lift what is happening at cardiff city is just plain wrong at so many levels the root causes of the problem lie in sam hammam s decision to build a new stadium the resulting deep financial difficulty that cardiff got themselves into with langston and the damoclean debt hanging over the club as a result and peter ridsdale s decision to involve the club in what was from the first described as a strategic marketing alliance with malaysian investors 1 as he said at the time it will be a long term alliance it will include youth development it will include the opportunity to explore the whole fan base it will certainly include sponsorship we are already talking to them about shirt sponsorship and stadium naming rights without any definite conclusions at this stage we are also talking about their assistance in trying to put this club on the sort of financial footing that we would have liked to dream of when i first arrived at this football club needless to say there was no public talk of the shirt sponsorship involving what has just been announced indeed as recently as 10 may dato chan tien ghee said in an open letter to fans wrote the new club crest and home colours which were being discussed were intended to demonstrate the symbolic fusion of welsh and asian cultures through the use of the colour red and the predominant featuring of a historical welsh dragon under the cardiff city fc name this would have been a springboard for the successful commercialisation and promotion of the club and its brand driving international revenues and allowing us to fund transfers and success locally thereby giving the club the best chance of competing at the higher reaches of competition this was not meant as a slight in any way shape or form on the club s traditions or history which we recognise are the lifeblood of any club it was intended as a positive change to allow us to adapt and embrace the future notwithstanding a number of rumours there were no further plans to turn the stadium red or make other radical changes 2 his use of were being discussed and would have been must have suggested to many including myself that the rebranding of club with a change in shirt colour and change in logo were now a dead duck a not unreasonable understanding as he continued in the light of the vociferous opposition by a number of the fans to the proposals being considered as expressed directly to our local management and through various media and other outlets we will not proceed with the proposed change of colour and logo and the team will continue to play in blue at home for the next season with the current badge he kept his word for less than a month in his open letter he also alluded to the current instability in the club s business model thus it is clear to all concerned that the club simply cannot continue to function and exist in its current state effectively losing large amounts of money each month while acquiring more and more debt no one can reasonably disagree with view in the debate that has broken out in the last couple of days since the announcement of the decision to do a u turn 3 or to use the language you might expect from someone engaged in a strategic marketing alliance following a comprehensive review of wider supporter feedback via email letters media coverage and polls run via the official supporters club and media wales and as a consequence of the above commitment cardiff city football club will also reactivate rebranding proposals with a view to exploiting and maximising its brand and commercial revenues in international markets attitudes seem to have become polarised into two camps on the one hand what is happening is a faustian pact which involves selling the soul of the club on the other the club s survival depends on a business plan that will result in untold wealth pouring in from new fans in the far east as is so often the case it is difficult to engage in debate regarding the relative merits of these two views because they are based on different meanings of the word club 4 the present attempt at debate assumes that these are two mutually exclusive and opposed views and that there are no other possibilities no room for overlap and no possibility of compromise that certainly seems to be the view of the malaysian investors which raises a number of issues in itself it suggests that the future of the club hangs on the fickleness of future supporters in the far east who a would support a club in a red shirt but not one in a blue shirt and that b providing the club s shirt is red and has a dragon on it they will support in sufficient numbers to pay off the rest of the langston debt reinvigorate the club s fortunes in both senses of the word and allow the investors to see a return on their investment as to a i think this is simplistic and over stated as to b i can understand the malaysian investors looking to the marketing success of manchester united but they might better have a word with balram chainrai or those behind the k k shonan management corporation 5 erstwhile saviours of plymouth argyle what is happening at cardiff is little short of seeing owners who view a club as a commodity which can have some brand value spray painted onto it to make it stand out from the rest a simple question to dato chan tien ghee if the key to your success lies in owning a red club why didn t you buy a red one if the answer is simply well peter hadn t got a red one in his briefcase to show us god preserve us others have tried this drastic rebranding with some commercial success an obvious example is that of sv austria salzburg which red bull bought and rebranded as fc red bull salzburg in 2005 complete with change in club colours and logo the new club has enjoyed considerable success since the takeover but the old club had also and that is where the comparison begins to break down red bull bought an already successful club and turned it into an even more successful one but in doing so they alienated fans to such an extent they started a new club which they called sv austria salzburg and which has already climbed wimbledon and fc united of manchester style from the seventh tier of the austrian football pyramid to the third tier i ll leave my final thought to the sv austria salzburg fans who are reported as having raised this banner in the past few days share this share on facebook opens in new window facebook share on x opens in new window x share on reddit opens in new window reddit like loading posted in cashflow debts fans investors marketing merchandising ownership stadium strategy tagged cashflow debts fans investors marketing merchandising ownership stadium strategy 5 comments the magic of football still there in the cups posted by john beech on january 27 2012 it s increasingly difficult to see any magic in the beautiful game other than black magic especially when you look at it from a financial perspective you only need to think of the narrow escapes at plymouth and wrexham recently and both portsmouth and darlington are standing on the edge of the precipice the cups may be a different matter however recently louise taylor suggested that the fa cup third round had failed to cast any magic on fans 1 below i ve taken her data and in italics added some more it struck me that whatever magic there might be would be associated with the possibility of a giant killing or as the bbc have started to call it a cupset did the possibility of a cupset bring out the fans especially in the case where the minnow was playing at home home club tier away club tier away home tier fa cup attendance average league attendance difference mk dons 3 qpr 1 2 19 506 8 217 11 289 swindon town 4 wigan 1 3 13 238 7 887 5 351 bristol rovers 4 aston villa 1 3 10 883 6 122 4 761 gillingham 4 stoke 1 3 9 872 5 482 4 390 macclesfield town 4 bolton 1 3 5 757 2 222 3 535 fleetwood town 5 blackpool 2 3 5 092 1 781 3 311 dagenham redbridge 4 millwall 2 2 3 396 2 161 1 235 crawley town 4 bristol city 2 2 3 779 3 181 598 brighton and hove albion 2 wrexham 5 3 18 573 18 595 22 chelsea 1 portsmouth 2 1 41 529 41 632 103 manchester city 1 manchester united 1 0 46 808 47 013 205 doncaster rovers 2 notts county 3 1 9 535 9 750 215 peterborough united 2 sunderland 1 1 8 954 9 233 279 liverpool 1 oldham 3 2 44 556 44 857 301 tottenham hotspur 1 cheltenham 4 3 35 672 36 071 399 sheffield wednesday 3 west ham 2 1 17 916 20 041 2 125 barnsley 2 swansea 1 1 7 380 10 719 3 339 norwich city 1 burnley 2 1 22 898 26 516 3 618 nottingham forest 2 leicester 2 0 18 477 22 224 3 747 watford 2 bradford 4 2 8 935 12 731 3 796 birmingham city 2 wolverhampton 1 1 14 594 18 682 4 088 fulham 1 charlton 3 2 20 317 25 315 4 998 middlesbrough 2 shrewsbury 4 2 12 631 18 164 5 533 coventry city 2 southampton 2 0 9 000 14 813 5 813 everton 1 tamworth 5 4 27 564 33 407 5 843 reading 2 stevenage 3 1 11 295 18 554 7 259 sheffield united 3 salisbury 6 3 10 488 18 559 8 071 hull city 2 ipswich 2 0 10 246 18 922 8 676 west bromwich albion 1 cardiff 2 1 12 454 24 794 12 340 derby county 2 crystal palace 2 0 10 113 26 133 16 020 newcastle united 1 blackburn 1 0 30 876 48 866 17 990 totals 2 29 2 32 1 522 334 602 644 80 310 i have added the away teams the tiers in which each team plays and the difference between the tiers at each game the list has been sorted into an order from the greatest increase to the greatest drop in the number attending the results are not entirely surprising where the home team is two or more divisions below the away team the fans have turned out in extra numbers at games like everton v tamworth and sheffield united v salisbury the home fans staying away outnumber any boost in the minnow s away following the two biggest differences are at matches between clubs in the same division overall there is a fairly clear picture of the fa cup lacking magic except when a home team might just cause a cupset below is a graphic representation with a rather unscientific trendline it s unscientific in that there are many variables at work here including for example the distance away fans have to travel and in any case we are dealing with fairly small numbers of games one difficulty is that a scientific look at this phenomenon would require details of ticket allocations for away fans and implicitly therefore home fans given that stadium capacity is known and the percentage of these which were sold does anyone know a single source on the internet which gives these this would be an interesting topic for research as the outcomes would provide a basis for a scientific allocation of tickets for away fans share this share on facebook opens in new window facebook share on x opens in new window x share on reddit opens in new window reddit like loading posted in community fans tagged community fans leave a comment banning orders posted by john beech on september 10 2011 the banning of a fan whether by a club or by a court is a contentious issue sjmaskell has an interesting and thought provoking posting up on just how easy it could be to find yourself banned under section 14 b of the football disorder act without ever being charged let alone convicted i wonder how often that is used in comparison to bannings under section 14 a those which follow from a conviction i wonder too how many fans realise they can be banned without ever having been convicted of an offence banning is not a topic that i have frequently blogged on in fact the only previous occasion was when i compared the crawley town lifetime ban imposed on an idiot who they claimed wasn t one of their fans in spite of the fact that he appeared as one of their own on their official website with the stevenage town fan who received a six year ban for assaulting one of his team s players on the pitch i thought at the time that notwithstanding the fact that nothing could be said in way of mitigation of the crawley town fan s inept behaviour a life time ban seemed inappropriately harsh for inept but offensive behaviour especially when compared to the act of punching a player on the pitch and i don t feel any differently now does anyone have any data sets on banning orders this topic seems worthy of further research and analysis in the meantime steady as you go when engaging in banter with fans you don t know you never whether they have history should you find yourself being unfairly treated the peo...