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how web standards feels friendly bit jump to content or jump to navigation friendly bit contact feed how web standards feels oct 11 2006 emil stenström css html js when talking about web standards many of us have started using marketing terms every day we hear about the bandwidth savings the increased user base that are able to access your site how well it affects seo and so on but none of that was what got me into all this let me tell you about the thing that convinced me the feeling for me the web standards revolution started with a feeling that something was wrong there has got to be a better way was a thought that buzzed in my ears when nesting my tables to create some padding i first saw css in other people s code often embedded in style attributes with text decoration none to remove underlines i started experimenting but the deeper aspects of how it could change the way websites were built didn t occur to me it was just another tool to place things where i wanted them and make things look like i wanted at that time i didn t know any server side language so all my sites where frame based static html often with a fancy javascript enabled select box for navigation i did use some css just to remove the underlinings on my links but that was it something still felt wrong was this really the best way the aha feeling came much later i d love to say a certain moment when i understood but it wasn t a certain text or piece of advice it grew on me suddenly everything felt like it had its place it wasn t always obvious where that place was but you could reason your way there when the strength of css occurred to me it was like finally understanding a tough mathematical formula yes so go ahead show me your pretty charts of workday savings css zen garden remakes or new techniques you can use i like them i really do but i m pretty convinced it s the aha feeling that finally wins people over to the web standards side what won you over can you convince someone else using that method inspiration from motivating others comments oct 12 2006 by martin olsson 1 i agree the feeling when everything snaps into place and you know intuitively that you ve managed to find a minimal and semantically correct html structure and the simplest possible css is really great you just don t get that feeling after a day knee deep in nested tables and ugly hacks oct 12 2006 by jarvklo 2 ahh the memories the memories what finally won me over to standards was actually a combination of several things firstly the it must be a way to do this better feeling you describe started growing on me back in 99 or so after a period of teaching basic html transitional without much attention to details other than what worked better i e browser independent in the browsers of that period ns4 was among them gah and then zeldman published issue 99 of ala wow secondly back in 99 or so i had a period in my career that led me into studying the innards of xml and i suddenly discovered that the dtd s of the then proposed standard xhtml where actually understandable and that the strict variant of that language actually was quite clean and logical that feeling lay dormant an grew for a while due to some career twists but when ala zeldman again of course published the article better living through xhtml in the spring of 02 about the same time i accidently stumbled upon a certain domain name at nunames that was all she wrote i realised that xhtml and css was a perfect match for me and don t think i ll ever forget that blissful feeling so from that moment on i was sold enough to start to humbly advocate standards and that feeling have been driving me ever since and i really think the method read standards related web magazines and blogs could work for almost anyone with a basic interest of getting over that it should be able to do better feeling oct 12 2006 by sean fraser 3 i had an online bookstore aside from a site development with tables shop i tweaked it every three months i hated having to edit every page i found the css p attribute and fonts that was very cool i then found an article about using css for presentation that was exceptionally cool i purchased designing with web standards of which web standards meant nothing to me i found css so much more simple than tables years later after seduction by malarkey articles with his ian dury references i discovered web standards philosophy it s a very simple precept oct 12 2006 by björn thomasson 4 the same story i started out with frames tables javascripts hacks galore because that s what i found every time looking under the hood when the big guys had performed their magic but the combined effect of zeldman s designing with web standards eric meyer s on css zen garden wasp and ala won me over willingly and with real relief i got rid of all the obsolete junk never to look back it s like karajan said of the cd back in 1983 all else is gaslight now i can t believe my eyes when i see high profile web sites remade as if it still were 1995 oct 13 2006 by christian tietze 5 i began to write html in 2000 or so wrote my first align center websites and so on copied cool and bright table designs which were popular for quickbasic rpg developers like rpg dx back then i didn t understand what i copied but the table stuff caused more problems than it solved because it was so hard to edit a whole website s design then i learned php and how to get data out of databases then i discovered that my graphics skills sucked hence my graphical bordered boxes looked rather ugly yeah then i started thinking about another way and discovered ala and other websites concerning web design i never knew that somehting like that existed that was about three years ago i think and since then i improved my understanding of web standards starting with the doctype rules of xhtml 1 0 transitional then advanced to strict mode which took me a lot of time since i didn t understand why it was so strict i followed the masses so to speak without knowing what i really did for a long time my conciousness or web savvy ness grew exponentially during the last 14 months and now i m really proud of understanding the principles being one of the level 4 css coders i think it was level 4 but i m not sure the one preceding the inventor level at least in my own opinion yeah and nowadays i m 19 develop web pages in my spare time and think about how in the name of god i will ever be able to convince other people like customers that i walk a way that s more right than the old one at least a friend of mine a designer begins to adopt my principles just because my stuff works an his didn t that s probably the only way making things work oct 18 2006 by henrik feldt 6 since i guess i m the youngest here i have never coded a table layout it started with framesets and applets then onto css around year 2002 ala became interesting to me during the spring 2003 with its mind bending sprites faux columns and fuzzy drop down shadows the tables were everywhere duing 2003 and my css learning rate wasn t really that high in the start mostly because i used internet explorer btw it s fun to find björn thomasson on this page hi there i worked out at the same kayaking club as him when i was 11 years he actually introduced me to html of course very non semantic html 3 but non the less a bit off topic perhaps but it s fun to find him here and look at me now got my own web development company oct 21 2006 by birgit 7 for me it was a feeling of new professionality that came with web standards not having to think in tables anymore when designing also the concept seemed very logical to me and last but not least the beauty of the sites fascinated me