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nd he cannot understand them because they are spiritually appraised 1 corinthians 2 14 paul calls christians to be transformed by the renewing of your minds romans 12 2 we cannot expect someone conformed to this world romans 12 2 to validate the genesis account of creation however this does not mean that evidences for creation cannot be confirmed by non creationists indeed the bible makes it clear that a creator s existence or necessity is self evident job 12 7 9 psalm 19 1 romans 1 20 that explains why i d can be supported by non creationists and why there can be so many doubters of darwin in general i hope this article explains well why the consensus argument falls so short on so many levels kingdom advancer posted by kingdom advancer at 7 45 pm 11 comments labels creation vs evolution logic tuesday june 19 2007 meshing and threshing advantageously and arbitrarily there s an old saying which states that the winners write the history books though this doesn t ring 100 true or else we wouldn t be able to trust any history nor would there be two sides to every story it makes the point that the one who s victorious often gets to decide how things were are and will be it s something along the lines of the philosophy that might makes right whether true just or not however in the field of science dissenting views can be the spur to the horse of progress the earth is round the earth revolves around the sun these weren t popular ideas at one time or another but underdogs barked long enough and loud enough backing their barks with sufficient evidential bite to dethrone reigning theories even if the primary theories aren t entirely innaccurate minority positions can be the cream that cures imperfections secularists have largely won the battle over science thus far quite frankly they ve been winning the battles for society at large too unfortunately they ve left the battlefield quite damaged some of science is in a state of disrepair for the sake of secular domination despite what we know about iron sharpening iron and gold being refined by fire in the scientific fields creationists and proponents of intelligent design are relatively silenced in the public sphere the ever spreading infectious theory of evolution is a disease that wants no competing virus it s suspicious isn t it if evolutionists were really confident in their belief they would encourage creationists to publicly make fools of themselves to be put to shame 1 peter 3 16 if evolutionists had a good conscience but they know that creationists are always being ready to make a defense to everyone 1 peter 3 15 therefore silence not debate is the preferred method of confrontation the scientific elite who wants to tell us how things were may cry out that we devious creationists will deceive people therefore efforts like the creation museum must be shut down but if the evidence for evolution is so compelling and overwhelming just show it to all and creationists should have no answer still waiting speak and listen don t filibuster and hush which is essentially what the scientific establishment is doing when they continually point to experts and scientific consensus and never to cold hard facts and refutations of creationism besides you would think that if the veracity of evolution is so irrefutable creationists would be useful tools in simply polishing and solidifying the theory that s my perspective anyways as a creationist toward evolutionists they challenge christians to think more of god s thoughts after him they produce endurance consider it all joy when you encounter various trials knowing that the testing of your faith produces endurance james 1 2 3 but no that s not the attitude of evolutionists they decry the private creation museum while controlling virtually every other outlet including the school system of course all theories do not hold the same weight and thereby do not require the same level of recognition if i say that both the earth and moon are made of cheese and only cheese my voice won t carry very far and rightfully so but only the most ardent arrogant and ignorant atheists and evolutionists would place creationism in that category however that s the point isn t it those on that side of the spectrum if not so extreme do the categorizing don t they that brings us to the real gist of this post meshing and threshing but what do i mean simply that the secular scientific elites artificially arbitrarily and advantageously separate and make inseparable what they so please in the fields of science in the first place they collaborate intentionally or not historical origins science and operational observational science if you hang around the creation evolution debate you may often hear that creationism is unscientific because it doesn t follow the scientific method this statement is factual but it is also inconsequential it violates the laws of logic with its irrelevance and false dichotomy now let me clarify that to believe in creation one must have faith faith is intrical to salvation ephesians 2 8 and essential to god s approval hebrews 11 6 so i am not denying the faith aspect the heavens declare the glory of god psalm 19 1 they do not prove his existence by the scientific method or prove the creation account christians have faith that the bible is inspired by god 1 timothy 3 16 regardless of what scientists may hypothesize i have no problem saying that especially when i consider some of the preposterous theories and evidences that have arisen before being debunked what i do have a problem with is the proverbial holier than thou attitudes of evolutionists that somehow believers in evolution are more scientific than creationists or that believing in evolution or in no god doesn t take faith both creationism and molecules to man evolution fall outside the bounds of the scientific method beyond the scope of observational science and faith is a requirement for belief in either operational observational science a systematic approach to understanding that uses observable testable repeatable and falsifiable experimentation to understand how nature commonly behaves historical origins science interpreting evidence from past events based on a presupposed philosophical point of view evolution exposed pg 24 really it s very much common sense that we can t repeat control test or observe the origin of the universe and the things therein no matter how it happened it s just not possible it goes back to the basic premise were you there no one was except god who told us how it happened in his word but yes that s my presupposed philosophical point of view which places this type of science in an entirely different category than say technology yet lawrence krauss an outspoken evolutionist in a scathing article called creationists hypocrites for driving cars according to the book evolution exposed three of the most common high school biology textbooks state that it is not necessary to distinguish between historical and operational science pg 21 how can this be some may say that we can see evolution all around us but this falls short on a couple of levels adaptation speciation micro evolution observed observable and compatible with creationism are not synonymous with molecules to man or macro evolution the former does not prove the latter nor does either micro or macro prove theories such as the big bang or the eternality of the universe it is obvious that we do not and will not see macro evolutionary changes even if they do did occur scientists may say that we simply have not been observing for long enough it s rather convenient when you think about it one can rid oneself of a plethora of bothersome questions about evolution by this technique after all it takes massive amounts of time we ll all be long gone before enough time will have elapsed to expect anything dramatic to transpire but this very excuse illustrates the point that evolution cannot lay a legitimate claim to testable repeatable observable science in fact even if we did observe say humans evolve into extra humans it does not necessarily follow that amoebas definitively evolved all the way up to humans that conclusion would be based upon the belief that the present is the key to the past just like a creationist conclusion would be based on the belief that the bible or god himself is the key to the past apparently evolutionists recognize that this approach of stalling you could even call it filibustering pushing the problem into unwieldy amounts of time only works so much and so far so they turn to geology and paleontology as some of the best substitutes for hands on eyewitness scientific evidence after all if missing links were to be found or the universe was demonstrated to be extremely old it would go a long way towards swaying the debate to the evolutionists camp here s the catch digging up fossils and rock layers unearth problems not solutions for the evolutionary outlook unless you accept evolutionary explanations at face value carbon 14 dating radio isotope fossil layers geologic layers transitional forms missing links living fossils in all these areas unreliability insufficiency bias closemindedness imagination fantasy or nonexistence plagues any attempts at a truly evidential basis for evolution notice preconceived notions required if you already believe or are brainwashed into believing in uniformitarianism in the ape man to cave man to modern man drawing in the fish to frogs to reptiles to dinosaurs to birds chain etc etc you probably can reconcile yourself with the problems that present themselves to portions of evolutionary theories theories that are frequently devised out of not so very thick air this is what places the theory of evolution squarely in the camp of historical science and mediocre historical science at that and that brings us to the second stage of meshing along with some threshing science and naturalism as well as science and religion creationists are accused of having presuppositional beliefs that supposedly excludes them from the realm of science however that s just not fair first of all such a hard stance would force scientists to always search for but never reach conclusions never choose a side but rather be tossed here and there by waves and carried about by every wind of doctrine ephesians 4 14 why would it do that well because as we ve already discussed neither creationism nor evolution falls under testable falsifiable science therefore a concrete conclusion can never be reached without belief something some people seem to think shouldn t be a part of science evidence in the realm of historical science requires interpretations things that need a foundation secondly it erroneously assumes that evolutionists and secularists in general don t have fundamental worldviews moreover who can blame christians if their faith is strong enough in order for them to be skeptical of such things as nebraska man identified and drawn based on a single tooth which was later found to be from an extinct pig evolution exposed pg 221 one of my favorite quotes in a negative sort of way is this one even if all the data point to an intelligent designer such an hypothesis is excluded from science because it is not naturalistic dr scott todd kansas state university nature 401 6752 423 sept 30 1999 that s quite a closeminded creed especially considering that naturalism is not interchangeable with science itself yet science has been overrun by the no divine foot philosophy making there appear to be no differentiation between the two granted i can see somewhat where naturalists are coming from superstititions hinder the progress of science but naturalism itself becomes a type of superstition when one tries to explain away naturally something entirely un or super natural moreover christianity must not be lumped in with superstitions christians endeavor to think god s thoughts after him although his ways are unfathomable romans 11 33 with christ upholding all things by the word of his power hebrews 1 3 our god is a god of order job 38 4 6 8 11 33 isaiah 40 12 jeremiah 31 35 who points us to nature proverbs 6 6 matthew 6 26 20 matthew 10 29 is omnipotent over nature job 38 11 12 23 41 11 42 2 mark 4 41 and is omniscient of nature job 38 40 john 16 30 christians are called to see things as they really are standing on a solid rock foundation matthew 7 24 25 and do not be conformed to this world but be transformed by the renewing of your mind romans 12 2 see to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception according to the tradition of men according to the elementary principles of the world rather than according to christ colossians 2 8 the bible is scientifically accurate and some discoveries are just recently being made as to the wisdom of god s commands on what and what not to eat see jordan rubin s book the maker s diet to venture into the materialistic assumption that this is all there is is to risk missing out incalculably if a supernatural being created nature nature would naturally reflect back to mr supernature himself the bible says this is so job 12 7 9 psalm 19 1 romans 1 20 belief in this supernatural being would unlock doors to otherwise unknown wisdom and knowledge the apostle paul rhetorically asks who has known the mind of the lord then he answers his own question saying but we have the mind of christ 1 corinthians 2 16 christians have access to the wealth that comes from the full assurance of understanding resulting in a true knowledge of god s mystery that is christ himself in whom are hidden all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge colossians 2 3 god offers the only worthwhile perspective on everything for what does it profit a man if he gains the whole world and loses his own soul matthew 16 26 27 to say christianity has no place in science is to assume that god does not exist to say that only naturalism is acceptable is to assume there is nothing supernatural to say that christians or creationists have no place in science or that they cannot be good scientists is to deny scientific history in essence to reject christianity s place in science is to claim science for one s own religion many people do not realize that science was actually developed in christian europe by men who assumed that god created an orderly universe if the universe is a product of random chance or a group of gods that interfere in the universe there is really no reason to expect order in nature many of the founders of the principle scientific fields such as bacon galileo kepler and newton were believers in a recently created earth the idea that science cannot accept a creationist perspective is a denial of scientific history evolution exposed pg 20 let s take back science kingdom advancer you can purchase the book evolution exposed here posted by kingdom advancer at 12 40 am 18 comments labels creation vs evolution sunday june 03 2007 you got something in your eye in 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