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ation vacuum the most sensational stories can gain traction they otherwise never would have key posts from wikimedia staffers cary bass and mike godwin clarifying important details have been pretty prompt considering this storm unfortunately happened over the weekend but i worry they ll be lost in the crowd the sort of problem for which wikipedia has no perfect solution certainly we as a community should respect the office staff s needs when they believe urgent action is necessary in some regards it is our respect for those needs that causes some of these difficulties when a mass of editors administrators and otrs volunteers enters the fray either taking action to help or vocally interpreting the actions of others trying to help it becomes less clear who did what and who is allowed to do what moving forward users trying to resolve this confusion aren t helped along by the fact they will inevitably hold incomplete information or by the lack of any easy way to distinguish important clueful communication from mere noise this is just an idea but i think there are a few problems we might avoid if we logged all office actions preferably at a central location edited only by office staff first and most important it would be eminently clear which actions are performed under the auspices of wp office any action not specifically listed at the log wasn t secondly it would allow administrators to more easily enforce office actions should doing so become necessary thirdly it would allow staffers to if they choose to make prominent statements regarding office actions in a place where all interested parties will quickly be able to find them such a log might attract troublemakers i think the added clarity and reduced confusion would be well worth the cost given the troubles we already face each time this sort of thing blows up i believe an office log would be better for our own in house communications and possibly for our public relations as well posted by luna santin at 6 55 pm 1 comment labels en wikipedia wikimedia monday july 21 2008 wikipedia en forking to wikipedia signal i m as mad as hell and i m not going to take this anymore i can t be the only person frustrated by the recent levels of off topic and frankly spammy conversation in wikipedia en on freenode i ve tried agitating for change and have gotten nowhere the hands off approach taken by current operators is hardly helpful here things have only been getting worse and i ve come to the point where i m willing to fork the channel if there s interest tonight s topics of conversation in wikipedia en have included womens breasts mens breasts lactating breasts and other things that decidedly are not wikipedia channel operators are often unwilling or unable to stop these trends recently and i m sorry to say that what once was a useful channel is now even worse than wikipedia ever was it used to be that wikipedia was mostly off topic and wikipedia en was mostly on topic currently that s still the official story lately they re both off topic although surprisingly wikipedia actually has the slightly more intellectual sort where en is a more frat atmosphere don t get me wrong i love social channels and generally favor a hands off approach to moderation but one on topic channel hardly seems too much to ask for and current chanops just aren t making this happen it seems wondering why i care just look at how effective wikimedia tech is currently i m not aware of any public channel which regularly discusses the english wikipedia with any degree of seriousness private channels are smaller and less representative of the wider community with that in mind i m starting a wikipedia signal channel for public on topic discussion of the english wikipedia and its sister projects realistic concessions to social conversation will be made but overall i d prefer to keep a high signal to noise ratio hence the name and plan on backing that up with moderation as needed there are however a few options to consider option 1 good old culture and self moderation allow anyone to join and speak and encourage them to stay on topic proactively kick or ban repeat problem users as needed as other channels do or should option 2 set the channel i invite only but keep trivial standards for access essentially an opt in semi private channel repeat problem users could have their invite access removed easy to keep out misfits and botnets but risks creating a barrier to entry if users with the ability to access user flags are difficult to find option 3 set the channel m moderated so that anyone can join but only voiced users may speak probably would set most regular users to be voiced by chanserv on joining v flag and might allow a smaller group to voice other users by request v flag repeat problem users could have their voice access removed similar advantages to option 2 but creates a smaller barrier to entry if more users can be trusted with the ability to give others voice currently i m favoring the third course thoughts if the atmosphere in wikipedia en improves so be it this isn t a power play i just want a decent forum for on topic talk update 2008 07 25 looks like wikipedia signal hasn t taken hold thanks to the users who gave it a shot and to those who offered feedback both positive and negative however it s worth noting that several concerned users have intervened in the affairs of wikipedia en since this post was made and the situation there has improved for now forking hasn t proved viable currently but it seems to have successfully drawn attention to the issue posted by luna santin at 3 49 am 4 comments labels en wikipedia irc wikimedia thursday july 17 2008 badsites marches on the loudest battle no one cares about despite the community s clear and longstanding rejection of badsites as policy some editors continue wield it or its cousins in debates often seeking to discredit others in ways which may or may not make any apparent sense to the casual observer the continued promotion of a siege mentality is in my opinion disruptive to progress on more important issues yes we should take steps to protect users who are harassed and victimized when i m able to i try to do so no that does not mean i or any other wikipedian should be obliged to support a divisive and jingoistic political agenda apparently based in anger and bitterness when users fail to unconditionally support a badsites siege for whatever reason they re often labelled trolls if site management doesn t support the siege it s toted as evidence the site has been taken over by troll enablers for those who missed it the line is quickly drawn between us fighting evil badsites and them trolls and their sympathizers with no room left for the subtle distinctions inherent in human relations i can understand why some people have come to view the situation that way but they should know that they re also marginalizing their own position by painting with such wide brushes so often sorry to say but not all users are just going to flop over and agree with everything a given editor says especially when much of it is based in vague or secret evidence apparently discussed only in echo chambers all too often the them in an us vs them scenario does everyone involved a great disservice by playing along with the siege the resulting squabbles can be quite discrediting to all involved if we just saw a bit less of that things might actually calm down sometimes the best response is no response for most of us the project continues on without missing a beat remember that encyclopedia we re supposed to be working on abuse on wiki is actionable on wiki in extreme cases off wiki abuse with on wiki effects may be actionable on wiki absent evidence of such abuse i fail to see how merely having an account on a given website could ever be considered inherently abusive and actionable on wiki in short let s talk about abuse not siege posted by luna santin at 2 44 am 3 comments labels en wikipedia wikimedia sunday july 13 2008 wikimedia foundation removes image of its headquarters from wikipedia article image uploaded and added image speedily deleted and removed deletion review opened deletion review forcibly closed citing wp office it may be worth noting that at the time of the drv s closure comments up to that point unanimously supported overturning the deletion ed maybe not see comments if the wikimedia foundation won t allow a picture of its headquarters to appear in the relevant article so be it i just wonder what justification there is that wouldn t likewise apply to headquarters images found in other articles including microsoft apple or craiglist it s not entirely clear that this is or is not an official office action at the moment but absent a demonstration to the contrary the spectre of office has been invoked and will probably have its usual effects edit 1 2008 07 14 added in line note referring to comment from matthew brown regarding comments at the drv see this post s comments for details posted by luna santin at 7 30 pm 8 comments labels en wikipedia wikimedia saturday june 28 2008 arbcom fumbles the ball something is rotten in the state of denmark this has been an interesting day on wikipedia to say the least first arbitrator ft2 made a post to the admin noticeboard mentioning that a large amount of work has been in progress by the arbitration committee in the background for a considerable time to look at a number of systemic problems deemed of importance and possible solutions before unveiling a hidden arbitration case where orangemarlin has been sanctioned in absentia ft2 also created a june 2008 announcements page covering proposals including a new ban review group delegated by arbcom activation of a new view deleted pages userright the potential appointment of new checkusers clarifications of the committee s role an unfinished work on the blp enforcement guidelines and pages on old problems regarding skilled edit warriors and the consensus process this was sure to make some waves all by itself kirill lokshin another arbitrator made a post to the admin noticeboard several hours later the announcements made today by ft2 including both the orangemarlin issue and the various other matters were posted without the approval or prior knowledge of the committee as a whole further no formal proceeding secret or otherwise has taken place regarding orangemarlin or any other editor named in that particular statement as far as i m concerned these announcements have no authority or binding weight whatsoever obviously at least one of these fine gentlemen is wrong after a brief attempt to archive the thread pending news from the committee the frenzied discussion moved to wikipedia administrators noticeboard orangemarlin and other matters given the unfortunate lack of concrete information many confused and upset users immediately leapt into the fray with supposition and guesswork popular theories have supposed that one or both arbitrators have gone rogue or that some effort is underway to destroy ft2 s credibility my theory is that we have a serious failure of communication this would not be the first time arbcom s penchant for private discussion and decision has been problematic just recently arbitrator emeritus raul654 filed a request to give kingturtle checkuser access on behalf of the committee the issue was challenged and then up in the air until ft2 offered some blunt clarification it s been my experience that it s regularly difficult to tell whether an action is being undertaken by a single arbitrator or the committee as a whole they sometimes seem to take advantage of this confusion often the only clear issues are those in which the committee has taken a formal vote on the wiki and those are unfortunately quite rare in many cases it s difficult to tell even what the committee has or hasn t considered it s a black box model at its worst here today we have ft2 saying that there was a clear consensus supporting his announcement and kirill suggesting in reply that there was little or no discussion it s hard not to be reminded or the arguments following durova s block of based on another private mailing list i expect the committee will be discussing this extensively but i find it disturbing that none of the other arbs have yet seen fit to make any prominent announcement to the effect of we re looking at it please stand by no doubt they are currently unavailable simply haven t thought to or wish to avoid the storm of insistent messages any such statement would surely bring it would take a certain strength of character to ask an angry mob to wait outside of ft2 and kirill do we have arbs of such character flonight and morven have both posted something to this effect but i fear they ll be lost in the crowd still they have my sincere thanks for saying something obviously this is going to need clarification we need word from the committee silence simply will not do between ft2 and kirill the situation is chaos in the short term are these announcements valid are the decisions binding what happened here in the long term how can we avoid these problems in the future is there some way to make agendas or votes public without necessarily revealing entire discussions do we need new policy or cultural reform to deal with this if nothing else communications breakdowns like this one can strike serious and unfortunate blows to the credibility of the committee and its members and to order within the community this confusion is damaging to the project perhaps it s past time that we as a community insisted on clarity from this committee regarding its decisions and operations posted by luna santin at 2 05 am 4 comments thursday june 19 2008 blp special enforcement note this was originally posted to wikien l in this thread but as i m having technical difficulties post keeps getting truncated i m posting it here and linking to it for reference it discusses the blp special enforcement provision of the footnoted quotes arbitration on tue jun 17 2008 at 8 26 am sam blacketer wrote it is headed special enforcement rather than special policy and i think the distinction is more than merely terminological the policy basis is wp blp which has been in place for some time and has wide acceptance i agree it would be wrong for arbcom to change that policy from our own article on the subject a policy is a deliberate plan of action to guide decisions and achieve rational outcome s the distinction you mention is semantic and academic at best we have here a committee which is not only manifestly decreeing policy in a way that toys with the philosophical foundations of this project but even preparing itself to make content decisions both things the committee was and is supposedly not supposed to do i welcome you to make your case but to pretend this isn t a big deal is an insult to the intelligence of the community that you represent it is a very big deal administrator status is not a big deal precisely because we can...