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out nazi conspiracy shit and i m not a jew but the culture change has been a mind fuck since when was it ever okay to compare jews to the people that literally did a genocide against them or to act like all israelis unilaterally support the government they live under or to laugh about jews in america who are worried about antisemitism you can say antizionism isn t antisemitism all you want but it really doesn t mean shit when you spend more energy condemning random jews on social media as zionists than you do republican senators i ve seen people who claim to be left wing sharing stone toss comics for fucks sake stele3 it s been such an eye opening experience it made me realize that far too many people do not have an internal sense of morality and instead rely on the zeitgeist and other people to determine their sense of right and wrong which is terrifying because that makes them absurdly easy to indoctrinate into hatred 2 697 notes mar 24th 2026 open in app facebook tweet reddit mail embed permalink outraged honk prickly porcupine memes 239 notes mar 24th 2026 open in app facebook tweet reddit mail embed permalink freegazafromhamas insert some url kowsar ahoo ghalandari was a young iranian girl whose only crime was cheering in the streets after khamanei died irgc killed her in cold blood say her name be the voice of iran alt 166 notes mar 8th 2026 open in app facebook tweet reddit mail embed permalink unsolicited opinions anonymous asked can you speak to any similarities or differences between the illegal israeli settlements in the west bank and the situation of israelis in gaza 20 years ago i really think that israel needs to do more to discourage the settlements ideally get rid of them altogether and definitely crack down on the attack by settlers on locals at the same time i feel that the example of gaza where israel withdrew to its borders and was rewarded by 20 years of hamas launching attacks culminating in october 7th is the worst possible way to persuade israel to withdraw from areas it s currently illegally occupying how did the israeli withdrawal from gaza even come about for context i m not jewish so i wouldn t call myself a zionist but i m a liberal two state supporter i actually used to be quite anti israel i believed the simplistic and offensive idea that they settled there because the holy book told them to i m probably one of the few people who was made more pro israel by october 7th it made me research zionism the archaeological and cultural history and the fact that some jews have always lived there so now i see it as a land back project albeit one that s become sadly right wing unsolicited opinions answered there s a lot to unpack here but since you re asking these questions in good faith let me start with some foundations before we get to your actual questions on illegal settlements i ll bet you ve never actually looked into why you call israeli west bank settlements illegal and that it s simply a phrase repeated so often it feels like established fact jordan s 1948 1967 military occupation of the same land was not labeled illegal even though it lacked legal title and involved a change of sovereignty the international community ignored the illegality of the jordanian occupation because it served a specific political status quo and then weaponized it against israel the international legal system is consequentialist in that it applies the label of illegal based on the actors jews rather than the act taking control of territory in a defensive war this is a conspicuously selective application of international law and a double standard with a very limited number of explanations none of which are flattering it s also worth noting that israel didn t cling to the west bank out of expansionist ambition after 1967 israel actually offered to return the territory to jordan the arab league s response came at the khartoum summit later that year no peace with israel no recognition of israel no negotiations with israel that s the arab league s own document israel took control of the west bank from jordan in 1967 in a war jordan started by joining egypt s attack so what s the legal theory that made jordanian occupation fine but israeli control illegal the legal status is genuinely contested and the confident illegal framing you ve absorbed deserves more scrutiny than it usually gets if you re actually interested in the facts start with the sources at the end of this post if you have specific questions after that feel free to send them my way on zionism you say you re not jewish so you wouldn t call yourself a zionist this means that you don t actually know what zionism means likely because your understanding of the term comes from social media zionism is the belief that israel has a right to exist as a jewish state if you support a two state solution you support israel s right to exist and are in fact a zionist the word has been so thoroughly demonized that people like you are now disavowing positions they actually hold you say october 7th inspired you research zionism but if you d really researched zionism anon you d be able to define it i think what s more likely is that you re conflating research with encountering content tagged zionism on social media media literacy pro tip unless you re a scholar studying social media nothing you learn on social media is research on why jews settled there you say you used to believe they settled there because the holy book told them to and i m glad you ve moved past it but i want to make sure you ve replaced it with something accurate rather than just a softer version of the same misconception jews didn t flood into palestine because of a religious text they went there for two reasons it is where they are from jews are from judea hence the name and there has been continuous jewish presence in the region for millennia the world kept making it lethally clear that jews had no future anywhere else european jews fled to palestine because europe was in the process of wiping them out eventually succeeding in murdering 2 3rds of jews in europe but the founding narrative that focuses exclusively on european jewry leaves out roughly 850 000 mizrahi and sephardi jews who were expelled or forced to flee from arab countries like egypt iraq libya syria yemen and morocco in the decades following 1948 most of them stripped of their citizenship their property and their assets most of them ended up in israel not because of zionist ideology but because israel was the only place that would take them i ll bet you don t know what the farhud was but do know a false narrative about the nakba the israel that exists today as a result is probably a bit more than half mizrahi their ancestors never lived in europe never spoke yiddish and had lived in those countries since well before islam existed baghdad was once 30 jewish think about that for moment new york city is only 12 15 jewish when people talk about israel as a european colonial project they are entirely erasing them erasing their history their expulsion and their thousands of years of lived experience like their cousins who survived wwii in europe they weren t people from a powerful empire claiming distant territory to reap resources to send back to imperial overlords they were a stateless people from many places returning to or arriving at the only homeland that would have them israel is made up of the jews who survived europe and the eastern hemisphere to be antizionist is to say that they were supposed to have died at the hands of the nazis and the islamists on gaza and what it means for the west bank now your actual questions which are good ones the gaza withdrawal in 2005 is a huge topic but the short version it was essentially prime minister and former general ariel sharon s decision driven by the argument associated with strategist dan schueftan and others that israel couldn t simultaneously hold gaza s territory and avoid either a demographic crisis or permanent military occupation of a hostile population sharon forcibly removed roughly 8 000 israeli settlers many of whom had been there for decades and did not go quietly dismantled every settlement dug up every jewish grave and withdrew completely to the 1967 border the international community called it a promising step hamas then won the 2006 palestinian elections violently ousted fatah from gaza in 2007 and spent the next 17 years building the infrastructure for october 7th so when you ask whether this is the worst possible advertisement for further withdrawal the answer is yes and that s not a right wing talking point any serious discussion of west bank settlements has to grapple with the fact that israel tried the full withdrawal approach and was rewarded with two decades of hamas rockets then a massacre the people asking israel to do it again need a much better answer to that problem than they currently have this doesn t even start on the fact that the pa couldn t provide security guarantees even if they wanted to and they don t why the west bank is not gaza and why 2025 is not 2005 they re not really comparable situations start with geography gaza is a coastal strip flat self contained the west bank is a mountainous plateau that literally overlooks tel aviv and jerusalem when sharon withdrew from gaza he was making a painful political concession if israel withdrew from the west bank under current conditions it would be handing an enemy the high ground above its own capital then there s the question of who would actually govern a post withdrawal west bank in gaza the palestinian authority was at least nominally in charge before hamas violently removed them in the west bank today the pa totally controls area a which contains the major arab cities with israeli security forces still operating in area b and total israeli control in area c it s worth knowing what those zones actually represent in square miles area a is roughly 18 of the west bank but contains approximately 55 of the west bank s arab population area b covers another 22 of the land and roughly another 40 of the population area c the remaining 60 of the land where all the israeli settlements are located has a relatively small palestinian population somewhere around 5 of west bank arabs mostly in rural and bedouin communities so the pa nominally governs the areas where most west bank arabs actually live but it does so with israeli security forces operating alongside and often inside those areas because the pa cannot secure them on its own this isn t israeli propaganda it s something pa officials have effectively acknowledged the pa is financially insolvent deeply unpopular with its own population and has no answer to the armed militant factions like hamas palestinian islamic jihad the lion s den which have been growing in cities like jenin and nablus if israel left tomorrow the most likely outcome isn t a palestinian state it s a violent hamas takeover of the west bank with the difference that this hamas would be sitting on those ridges above tel aviv rather than behind a fence in a coastal enclave then there s the israeli electorate and this is important context for understanding why the political situation looks the way it does in 2005 sharon could sell the gaza withdrawal to a significant portion of the israeli public because the oslo process had created at least the theoretical framework of a negotiating partner and there was a plausible story about what peace might look like throughout the 90s and 2000s a majority of israelis supported trading land for peace even after the second intifada s 140 suicide bombings twenty years later israelis have watched that withdrawal empower hamas seen the oslo accords set the stage for the second intifada and witnessed every major peace offer including camp david in 2000 and olmert s extraordinary offer in 2008 get rejected or ignored the israeli center left which was once the dominant force in israeli politics and the driver of the peace process has been essentially obliterated as a political force it didn t lose because israelis became cruel or indifferent it lost because its central argument that territorial concessions would produce security and peace failed visibly repeatedly and lethally october 7th didn t radicalize the israeli electorate it confirmed what the electorate had already concluded on settlements specifically you want israel to crack down on settler violence against palestinians and i think you re 100 right settler attacks on arab villages are indefensible frequently go unpunished and are a genuine moral catastrophe for israel the current israeli government s tolerance of this violence is disgusting terrorists should be treated like terrorists regardless of their ethnicity nationality or motives the broader settlement question is harder the circumstances under which israel could realistically dismantle settlements include a credible palestinian negotiating partner security guarantees that don t rely purely on faith neither of those conditions currently exist that s not an excuse for an indefinite status quo but it s the actual situation on land back but sadly right wing you re saying the project is legitimate but you re troubled because the current governing coalition is right wing i want to push back on this framing with a thought experiment imagine the ojibwe recover some of the territory stolen from them by european settlers and the governments of both the us and canada then 50 years later they democratically elect center right leaders whose priorities are free markets strong national defense and the belief that individual rights are the foundation of human freedom and achievement does the ojibwe s landback project suddenly become illegitimate because you don t care for the government they democratically elected the political character of a particular government doesn t retroactively invalidate the underlying claim you can think netanyahu is a disaster i do and many israelis do without it meaning the entire project of jewish self determination in the jewish homeland is tainted interestingly when the socialist labor party ran israel for decades many used it s leftist government to delegitimize it that aside the landback framing you ve arrived at is pretty solid some sources are below follow up questions are welcome the west bank as occupied territory the irrelevance of the mandate and the lack of jordanian sovereignty israel law review cambridge co the west bank as occupied territory the irrelevance of the mandate and the lack of jordanian sovereignty cambridge core the status of judea samaria the west bank and gaza and the settlements in international law until a peace treaty is concluded israel is entitled under international law to continue the settlement of the territories of judea and s jcfa org jordan formally annexes the west bank and east jerusalem cie jordan formally annexes the west bank and east jerusalem allowing the palestinian inhabitants there...